R/T and nitrogen

[doh doh]

is it true that you can't use nitrogen with a R/T?

i heard that the air is too thin and wont work correctly.

[NOFXc98]

it will ...

[senghing27]

who told you that?
If the input air pressure is 850 PSI, then it will work fine.

[pbjoe02]

Nitrogen makes the RT less responsive because its thinner than co2. My RT isn't very reactive around 800psi with nitrogen. But I have an adjustable tank, so if I turn it up to 1000psi and it's just as good as co2.

[senghing27]

well my good sir, i use compressed air, running it at 850 PSI and it works just great. If you're having problems with the R/t, call tippmann for their LPK hose. It's a larger diameter, and it flows higher.

[pbjoe02]

Huh.....yea I've read about people having no change, and people having it slowed down like me.....idk why that is. But yea, I've got an adjustable so I just set it at 1000 or so and I'm good, I don't need the lp stuff. I get free air at my field so I don't care about the lower efficiency when its that high.

[Govinda_T]

Apparently you don't care too much about safety either. (HINT: Don't set the tank output pressure to 1000psi) Anyway the most probable cause for your dilemma is that your RT is probably an early model, which had problems with keeping a proper seal to actually move the piston. My recommendation would be to contact Tippmann and discuss it with them to see what they think. The RT should NOT be as sluggish and weak as you say it is, ESPECIALLY with Nitrogen. It really should be the opposite of what you're talking about. (Like, for example, going crazy fast.) I would also suggest informing your buddies that had problems similar to yours of this (highly) possible culprit for their RT issues.

EDIT: Other causes for your problem include an obstructed air line and dirt/debris inside the RT piston and gas lines.

[senghing27]

What i meant by LP hose is the hose that connects the rt to the power tube. The LPK hose has a larger diameter, thus being a possibility to remidy your problem. Also, are you sure its nitrogen you're using or compressed air?

[Govinda_T]

Also, are you sure its nitrogen you're using or compressed air?

Aren't they pretty much the same thing? I thought nitrogen=compressed air, because the air we breathe is largely made up of nitrogen (N2), hence the misnomer Nitrogen. Am I right? Because I always thought it was a sort of abbreviated/common name for it.

[senghing27]

Aren't they pretty much the same thing? I thought nitrogen=compressed air, because the air we breathe is largely made up of nitrogen (N2), hence the misnomer Nitrogen. Am I right? Because I always thought it was a sort of abbreviated/common name for it.
Well, compressed air is composed of nitrogen, but, sometimes, you do find someone who has pure nitrogen in which they are able to use on their marker. I refer to the air i get in my tanks compresed air, cause i do know guys here that fill their tanks with pure nitrogen. Thus thats why i asked.

[Govinda_T]

Well, compressed air is composed of nitrogen, but, sometimes, you do find someone who has pure nitrogen in which they are able to use on their marker. I refer to the air i get in my tanks compresed air, cause i do know guys here that fill their tanks with pure nitrogen. Thus thats why i asked.

Oh, OK. I guess I learned something new today. :)

[pbjoe02]

I have no problem, my rt is super fast with co2, it just takes 1000psi to be that fast when I use hpa, I've searched about it and it seems to be pretty common....and its a newer model, new packaging and flat head adjustment screw. 1000psi is perfectly safe, ss hose can take well over 1200psi. Pressure increase does boost your velocity, but I'm still shooting in the 280s, just less efficiently. Yea I know about super rt, but I don't feel like going through the trouble of getting it when I can just turn up my pressure.

[j_dog0416]

The Tippmann website says somewhere that the valves in the markers are designed for up to 3000 psi. Take it or leave it I guess, although I wouldn't trust it that high. I wouldn't worry about 1000psi.

[doh doh]

explain to my super R/T.......

well my R/T isn't working corextly anways. the guy at my field says its the o-ring in the piston. i checked it and it seems fine just alittle dirty, i never found the sweat spot niether.

before i started usin n2 it still wasnt workin corretly.

[Govinda_T]

Tippmann Customer Service FTW. Seriously, they will almost definitely fix it or send you a new one, because your RT must be defective. It should not perform as you have described. Teh Super RT Mod is when you put much larger hoses on the RT (and Cyclone Feed if you have one), increasing flow, and making the RT MUCH faster. I mean, we're talking in the neighborhood of 20-25 BPS. Definitely worth it, IMO. And about the o-ring, it may not be immediately apparent that it is damaged, but it is absolutely possible that is the problem. I would say try replacing the o-ring, and see what happens. (And turn down your pressure) If that is no help, then contact Tippmann. I am certain they will be able to do something.