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Please read first this:
http://www.paintballtimes.com/2001test/index.htm
(Paintball and barrel test of 2001 results from www.paintballtimes.com)
Conclusion (imho):
when you will shoot most accurate, buy Marbalizers and some good 14" aluminium one piece barrel. Do not buy SS, teflon coatet, two diameter barrels and barrels with inserts!
Interesting...
What do you think about?
skidds
03-15-2006, 04:37 AM
Please read first this:
http://www.paintballtimes.com/2001test/index.htm
(Paintball and barrel test of 2001 results from www.paintballtimes.com)
Conclusion (imho):
when you will shoot most accurate, buy Marbalizers and some good 14" aluminium one piece barrel. Do not buy SS, teflon coatet, two diameter barrels and barrels with inserts!
Interesting...
What do you think about?
They only compared like 2 name brand barrels..... and none Stainless Steel.... I would have like to seen more name brands..... no Dye, CP..... alot of others left out.... im still going to use what I like.... no offense. :)
They only compared like 2 name brand barrels..... and none Stainless Steel....
Sorry, but you are really unalphabeted? I see there Smartparts, Lapco, J&J, Dye... and many stainless stell barrels are there.
Yes, the test is from year 2001, but there are though not so big differences - barrel is all the time barrel - simply only piece of pipe with some internal diameter, out of some material, with some finish. Common knowledge from this period are still valid, minimally for most rec ball/wood players.
reneirwolf878
03-15-2006, 06:14 AM
Sorry, but you are really unalphabeted? I see there Smartparts, Lapco, J&J, Dye... and many stainless stell barrels are there.
Barrels:
The barrels we tested include:
Freak All American 14"
Freak Teardrop 12"
Smart Stainless
J&J Two Piece 12"
J&J Two Piece 14"
J&J Ceramic 14"
J&J Pro 1 12"
DYE 10"
PMI Razzor 14"
Bob Long 14"
Lapco Bigshot 12'
Lapco Autospirit 12"
Lapco Autospirit 10"
Danny Love Two Piece Special 10"
The one regret we have is that DYE opted not to send in any of their barrels. We have included an older aluminum DYE barrel that we had lying around. We feel that many players use Dye barrels, and hence hope to include their barrels in the future.
I see ONE "older dye barrel that they had laying around" and I've highlighted 3 different barrel types that are not aluminum. And I'm pretty sure that 'unalphabeted' isn't a word so next time you decide to try and knock someone about 'not being able to read' make sure you use real words to do so.
Kowz_76
03-15-2006, 06:58 AM
I've found similar results. I've never done a real study or anything, but even with a good barrel like an ultralite or CP 2 Piece, it seems like good paint, like evil, has shot much better than other stuff.
I've highlighted 3 different barrel types that are not aluminum.
O.K. as you wish. I perhaps Im dumb but I think that - for exception - Freak All American 14" and Freak Teardrop 12" have stainless stell backs and Smart Stainless is - surprisingly - likewise from SS. And the all Lapco barrels are here too. So there is a lot of SS barrels, likewise there is a lot of brand names.
Sorry, but Im perhaps dumb and not very good in English-language, but I can yet find out "stainless steel" where is writen :rolleyes: ...and likewise with brand names...
I've found similar results.
And what cheap Al barrels like the SP Progresive? Have you perhaps same experiences? I think with good paint on cheap AL barrel accuracy...
Kowz_76
03-15-2006, 07:06 AM
Same with cheap barrels. My CP 1 Piece and Lapco bigshot shot darts with good paint.
And not all Lapco barrels are SS. They make SS and Al versions of both the bigshot and autospirit.
not all Lapco barrels are SS. They make SS and Al versions of both the bigshot and autospirit.
I know. But in at that 2001 test were SS used:
http://www.paintballtimes.com/2001test/lapcobig.htm
http://www.paintballtimes.com/2001test/lapco12.htm
http://www.paintballtimes.com/2001test/lapco10.htm
TheSpy11
03-15-2006, 10:24 AM
I remember reading that report back when I bought a J&J PRo-1 for my 98c. Considering it's 5 years old and most top barrels and paint aren't in it, it isn't worth too much anymore unfortunately.
reneirwolf878
03-15-2006, 07:35 PM
O.K. as you wish. I perhaps Im dumb but I think that - for exception - Freak All American 14" and Freak Teardrop 12" have stainless stell backs and Smart Stainless is - surprisingly - likewise from SS. And the all Lapco barrels are here too. So there is a lot of SS barrels, likewise there is a lot of brand names.
Sorry, but Im perhaps dumb and not very good in English-language, but I can yet find out "stainless steel" where is writen :rolleyes: ...and likewise with brand names...
The Freak can have SS inserts or the aluminum. The test doesn't specify which it uses but since it is 5 years old it would've been alluminum since this is before SP figured out that the thin aluminum inserts were flimsy and came out with the SS inserts. And the Teardrop is not SS, it is indentical to the all american front except for the extra milling around the porting. Again, the Lapco Bigshot and autosprit come in either SS or aluminum and again PBT has not stated which version they picked.
I counted a total of 7 brands from the list of barrels they tested, 1 being a stock barrel (Bob Long). They don't include anything from Site, CP, Mac Dev, Evil, Empire, WGP, Powerlyte and MANY MANY other barrel companies.
when you will shoot most accurate, buy Marbalizers and some good 14" aluminium one piece barrel. Do not buy SS, teflon coatet, two diameter barrels and barrels with inserts!
Interesting...
What do you think about?
The reason that I may sound angry is because you're telling people not to buy things based on a poorly conducted test. While I do agree that aluminum barrels are good it's hard to say that they are any better than a 2 piece barrel or one made off SS or Carbon fiber.
The reason that I may sound angry is because you're telling people not to buy things based on a poorly conducted test.
Sorry, but Im really do not telling people what to buy :rolleyes: . Im only show here this imho very interesant test and my guess what is its most interesant conclusion.
And sorry, but when you think that it is "poorly conducted test"... you did better? Or did you see better?
Imho this is good conducted test, one of best that have made. And yes, to be honest, I think that only criticise others (paintballtimes test team) work is very simple...
slaminator3323
03-15-2006, 10:15 PM
Sorry, but Im really do not telling people what to buy :rolleyes: . Im only show here this imho very interesant test and my guess what is its most interesant conclusion.
And sorry, but when you think that it is "poorly conducted test"... you did better? Or did you see better?
Imho this is good conducted test, one of best that have made. And yes, to be honest, I think that only criticise others (paintballtimes test team) work is very simple...
No it isn't it really actually sucks in addition to being outdated, and not having newer info about the barrels they say don't buy teflon coated barrels, guess what J&Js do have teflon coating.
reneirwolf878
03-16-2006, 11:36 AM
Sorry, but Im really do not telling people what to buy :rolleyes: . Call me crazy but....Do not buy SS, teflon coatet, two diameter barrels and barrels with inserts!
...you have something lost in that my post which you have quotet:
Please read first this:
...
Conclusion (imho): ...
Yes, reneirwolf878, to be honnest, i think you are really a little bit crazy, or better abnormal. I do not have time for this sh** with you. In the world, there are a lot people. Some are dumb, some clever. I do not need speak with all.
slaminator3323
03-16-2006, 01:37 PM
Even if you say IMHO that is still telling people what to buy. Also that test fails and so does this thread.
skidds
03-19-2006, 05:13 AM
Please read first this:
http://www.paintballtimes.com/2001test/index.htm
(Paintball and barrel test of 2001 results from www.paintballtimes.com)
Conclusion (imho):
when you will shoot most accurate, buy Marbalizers and some good 14" aluminium one piece barrel. Do not buy SS, teflon coatet, two diameter barrels and barrels with inserts!
Interesting...
What do you think about?
You should read the stickies.... not being mean here... but Stainless steel is the slickest metal and used by many companies in their barrels, Dye which makes the very succesfull Boomstick is one and is used by many professional teams. For teflon, J+J makes an awesome barrel, in fact now more than 1 and I own one and the teflon coating is a genious idea, very good barrel and everyone who owns one loves them. 2 peice again is very popular and used by many...ex.. Boomstick, CP, Ultralight... awesome barrels...and yes I own all of them, inserts are used by top end companies like Smart parts, Evil and others, and are top of the line barrels. I suggest you read the reviews.... Dont knock a barrel until you used one. Stainless Steel and 2 peice barrels are superior to 1 peice aluminum barrels. Just read the review.... ;)
P4p3Rc1iP
03-19-2006, 05:19 AM
CCI SS FTW, though the normal alu is almost just as good! And you really can't beat it for the price! Too bad they're only made in Phantom threads. :rolleyes:
reneirwolf878
03-19-2006, 06:57 AM
...you have something lost in that my post which you have quotet:
Yes, reneirwolf878, to be honnest, i think you are really a little bit crazy, or better abnormal. I do not have time for this sh** with you. In the world, there are a lot people. Some are dumb, some clever. I do not need speak with all. I have my own HMO about your intelligence too but I'll just leave it at that rather than imply anything. Good day good sir. And in the future, please do refrain from using such "potty" language, because I hope you know that is a bannable offense now that you have been warned.
Stainless steel is the slickest metal and used by many companies in their barrels ...
Just read the review.... ;)
I ask oneself why nobody here understand simple sentence like "Please read first this" and on the other side, all understand "Do not buy SS, teflon coatet, two diameter barrels and barrels with inserts!"... :rolleyes:
Skidds, sorry, thank you for your good intended advice, but Im engineer by profesion, so I think I know something "little" about SS and materials generally. But what´s going on here, in this thread, are these interesting results of this paintballtimes 2001 barrel/paint accuracy test... with has nobody read, it looks to be. :eyes:
I hope you know that is a bannable offense now that you have been warned.
I´m very afraid.
Respect can not be forced. Respect must you deserve.
You have perhaps power as moderator, but you have not authority for my.
Do what you pleas.
Kowz_76
03-19-2006, 08:41 AM
Stainless Steel and 2 peice barrels are superior to 1 peice aluminum barrels. Just read the review.... ;)But that's the thing, they really aren't. Test out a boomstick and an ultralite and you will see no difference in accuracy. You may have a case for the 2 piece argument. You'd have to use something like a progressive and all american or CP 1 piece and a CP 2 Piece. But stainless steel does nothing for accuracy.
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