R.O.F. ... the movie

[TrOy]

I hope I dont get in touble for posting this.. but I wanted to get impressions on this

http://www.palmer-pursuit.com/animation/tempest.mpg

check it out and tell me if you think rate of fire is getting way out of hand.

[Nemessis]

Hell no it isnt. Who gives a flying what if people can shoot quickly or not. Take a look into the tourney circuit you need speed!

[TrOy]

Yes there is a problem with rates of fire. Continual hitting can cause deep brusing and take masks off and hurt people. It is a problem!

[elTwitcho]

Seriously... that's not even that fast. I can shoot faster than that and I know a ton of people who shoot faster than I do. Personally, and please dont take this as an insult Troy, because it's not meant that way, I find that the people who complain about ROF the most, are the ones who havent had much experience playing against people with electros or RTs and the like. I myself was terrified when i used to read about "Oh it can take your mask off, it can shatter your lenses, it can cause you to drown due to the volume of paint landing around you". I thought it was BS that they'd allow this in paintball, and 8 bps should be fast enough. Well it isnt. I've played against some of the fastest trigger fingers I imagined possible, shooting the best of the best guns, and I dont think it's an issue. I cant imagine how a properly worn mask would be knocked off, and I've taken hits in close procession to the goggle lense from 30 feet away and not had any problems. ROF isnt a safety issue, because the fact of the matter is, that at the ranges people seriously dump paint at, though 14 balls could be comin at you each second, maybe 2 will hit you. It's not an issue, and I dont know why people keep making it into one. Dont start sayin electros and other high ROF guns are a serious problem until you've played against them with some regularity. Just my thoughts

[Nemessis]

Masks should be on tighter than, can't take a few bonus balls don't play paintball!! El twitcho said it all. Hell I feel that my shocker is too slow and it shoots 11.25 bps, that is why I am trading a friend of mine his led angel which shoots 16bps. I can easily rail out 11-14 bps and I wish I could still shoot faster!

[simon woodstock]

how does the ROF of an impulse compare to a shocker? 'cuz i'm thinkin of getting an impulse when i'm done w/ my spyder

[hewy10]

eltwitcho is right if someone is buzzing balls at you at 13 bps maybe four or five will hit you at most i would be more worried about people playing with guns turned up too much

[Dräko]

I have to admit, i cant understand why youd need to lay that much paintdown so quickly, thats like hella spray and pray. Ill admit i DONT have alot of experience with rt's and other high ROF guns, but geez. I think the collest ROF related thing tho was aucion junkies like electro magnet trigger.


P.S- Is warp feed hes got there

[Dräko]

P.S.S- a prize to anyone who actually counts how many shots he fires

P.S.S.S- Theres not really a prize :(

[Dman]

I have played against many many many RTs, Angels, shockers, Impulses, Intimis, Defiants. I don't have a problem with the paint issue myself, or at least I am willing to accept the risk.
BUT...I have seen people get hurt by being hit with large volumes of paint. I think that 13 bps is fast enough, and tourneys should be limited to one pull, one ball. Not just because of the saftey issue, but because it preserves the game as it was intended. There is a point where the technology replaces too much of the player. I think that is why there has been a sudden surge in the stock class sport latley.
If you look at the "mainstream" sports they have all limited technology at least in the professional ranks. Major league baseball does not allow aluminum bats, not because they are not better, but because it helps to level the playing field.
This is just my opinion, everybody on my team but me an electro...but I think things have to stay within reason.:)

[spacer709]

i cant get my finger to move that fast. i would feel quite lucky if i could get that R.O.F. STupid finger...

[elTwitcho]

Yeah, I agree with a high ROF, hell, make it unlimited ROF, in semi that is. You go full auto and you no longer ahve specific control over how many shots you're firing, and then you start running the risk of getting light up, which isnt a safety concern IMO, but it's irritating and very poor sportsmanship to do that sort of thing. But if you've got a max ROF of 90 bps, your trigger finger wont be movin at that speed, so it's all good. Fastest I could imagine anyone shooting in semi is 18 bps, and that's maybe the one in a trillionth person, most of us are around 14 in very very short bursts if we get lucky, so I dont find that an ROF cap is neccessary if we're firing semi. As for needing a high ROF, you just gotta admit to yourself that at longer ranges, a paintball is not a bullet, and the best consistency and best paint/barrel match wont let you hit someone in one shot. Now you have a window of opportunity to hit that person before he moves, say he'll be exposed for 1 second. If you shoot 14 shots as opposed to 7 shots in that one second, you're twice as likely to hit him and score an elimination. People say accuracy by volume like it's a bad thing, but unless you're shooting a pump gun, it's a way of life for paintballers. As for taking skill out of the game, I think that ROF increases skill. Not on the shooters end, but think of it this way. When you play against guys using the very best guns, these people are going to be very much more likely to eliminate you. Everyone on the field is that much more of a threat to you, so you've gotta play better defensively. You've gotta snapshoot better, stay tighter, and plan your moves better. So yeah, it's easier to hit someone with a high ROF, but it doesnt lower the level of skill, because you've gotta be twice as good to just stay in the game before you can start eliminating people. Just my thoughts, I myself love the technology in paintball right now, and for the time being, I think we've found a balance where the technology and skill can co exist side by side. Maybe some day paintballs will become as accurate as bullets, and we'll have HUDs in our goggles, then maybe the technology will need to be limited, until then, I think we've got a nice equilibrium going.

[Dman]

You have a point.....I guess if as long as you keep the one pull one ball, I don't care if you raise the BPS either. I just don't think that people should be able to use Turbo and Automatic in Tourney play. That is what I was trying to say...It probably came out funny. I think that they retract from the skill of the players. If you can pull your trigger at 17 bps, good for you. You have that skill and you deserve to be able to do that. Noone tells a pitcher that he can't pitch over 90 mph, or a quarterback that he can only throw the ball 30 yrds.....Turbo, and full automatic take away from part of the skill of the game.
I have always compared paintballs to 18th century musket balls. Your best bet sometimes is to just stand still....:)

[simon woodstock]

hahaha, you'd be surprised how well that staying still bit works, there are times when i lay on the ground 15 yards from a guy and he'll shoot25+ balls and none will hit me. so true about being like shooting a musket. :D

[martlet1]

i guess the rof thing still applies, if you need that much firepower per second your not playing paintball.. your playing paintball gun.

[PBSouLjAh]

like eltwitcho said........i dont think thats that fast. i've seen other guns shoot faster than that. also....is that him triggering the gun to get it that fast or is it the gun on turbo or something? also....i'd like ot know what kind of gun that is....its pretty quiet.

[elTwitcho]

based on the weird thing on the side, I think it's a blazer, though I really cant tell, it's blury as heck on my computer, if it's a blazer it's in semi though, and by the sounds of the clip, I think that's semi

[mikek2111987]

is that thing a semi or full auto? if thats a semi thats fast(or you have a nice trigger job going,then not really)or if its a auto or electro,i wouldnt know cause i dont own one

[elTwitcho]

That's semi just lookin at the trigger pull, and I know lots o people who can shoot faster than that in semi, it's just a matter of practice

[Creek]

Its a blue anno blazer with a warp feed on it eltwitcho,It also has the trigger job too it.With the blazer stock you could never shoot at that rof.Cause you'd short shoot it.As far as rof goes be hit a few times in outlaw games with full auto's at about 15 feet.I feel in a rec game etc. the ones that are using full auto are trying too make up for lack of skill.Now theres some with skill that use full auto but the ones I know that have it dont even use it cause it eats alot of paint.Main reason I got the Impluse was for speedball games.I use my auto mag in outlaw and woods most the time cause its lite.Counting how many balls i shoot a sec,I'll leave that up too guys trying too inpress me,which it dont.