R/T worth it?

[Stormtrooper30]

Is the response trigger worth getting and is it legall for torament play?

[anarchyintheua]

If it for a 98 than it is worth it and no it is not tourney legal, if its for a a5 dont get it.

[sim672]

i think the rt is worth it, and it can be disabled rather quickly if its not tourney legal for a tournament. i think it should be legal because it does complete a trigger cycle it just does it fast :) but i loved it on my 98c and i love it on my a5

[IronCorps]

In accordance to ACTS and NPPL rules, rt's are 100% tourny legal. RT's are 1 shot per pull, and thus, by deffinition, are legal to use in tournament play.

I have a modded RT, clocked well over 19bps, it's quite worth it.:D

[Cpt. Morgan]

I understand what a super r/t is. I'm running one (haven't shot paint with it yet but seems fast) but what exactly is a CAR r/t IronCorps... I'm interested in the number 19 followed by bps in your siggy... what did you do to justify a special short-form (CAR) in your set up?

[IronCorps]

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[palidon11]

19 is pretty awesome. how do you do it? im estimating in getting around 15 with my super r/t. and yeah, i believe it is a worthy investment, i love mine. and i you add a trigger stop its super easy to sweetspot.

[Stormtrooper30]

So it is tornament legal as long as I shoot like 11 bps?

[Cpt. Morgan]

PM sent to cpt. morgan.

Thanks... I'm thinking in the 15-16 range for me to... I'm going to add a trigger stop maybe.

[palidon11]

yeah, i found that during battle it was hard to sweetspot it and that id rarely do it, but with teh trigger stop its real easy.

[Cpt. Morgan]

I want to put a trigger stop for my trigger but I want to know, how could I make one that can be shifted around... like I'm thinking it can be in the underside of the trigger guard going throw it upwards and you can screw it in and out. How could this be done?. Most of the time I want just one shot or so. Not lots.

[Stormtrooper30]

What is a 'sweet spot'?

[palidon11]

sweet spot is when ur pulling the trigger just right (remember the r/t bouncec the trigger back) so its kinda like "full auto"

as for trigger stops idk about one for you, i know of some for the model 98. i took these from model98.org great site, has good instructions for tons of 98mods. (not trying to spam..)

http://model98.org/mods/trigstop.jpg

http://model98.org/mods/trigstop3.jpg

http://model98.org/mods/trigstop4.jpg

[JesterTLS]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but the RT is legal, but it has to be basicly cut off, where it will not sweet spot. One pull, one shot.

[burtonriderx93x]

ya i got a5 with r/t and it works good but i go thru a ton of air because of the cyclone feed, r/t, and the air to shoot the gun

[palidon11]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but the RT is legal, but it has to be basicly cut off, where it will not sweet spot. One pull, one shot.

the r/t is one oull one shot...

[IronCorps]

Hell, even my RT when sweet spotted is still 1 shot per pull. Unless there's a sear/hammer problem, its always gunna be 1 shot per pull. End of story.

[JesterTLS]

the r/t is one oull one shot...

I understand how the RT works. But the bounce is not legal reguardless in tourney play, unless it is some local tourney with local rules.

[vdubdriver]

People are commonly mistaken when buying, believing an rt or egrip will allow them to compete with high-end electric markers. The simple put answer is no. Those guns are lighter and are DESIGNED around the concept of a high ROF (15-30 bps) systems. Tippmanns weren't. While the A5 does have the Cyclone Feed system, Tippmann never designed it to go over 10-15 bps. (However it may still work :D )

I have fired rt 98s, egrip 98s, and their A5 counterparts as well. Most were on woodsball setup. In my opinion this is a huge waste, it's woodsball, it's not about how much paint you can shoot rather it's about strategy and accuracy (And if there is a situation where you do need to shoot alot, use your fingers. If you can walk a trigger, you can make a girl scream :goody: ). A few of those were speedball setups, I won't criticize them because they were really nice setups. However I must say, you can try really hard but your gun will never be on the same level as an ION, etc.

The systems (the rt and egrip) are great, but please don't become under the impression that it'll make you king of the field. I've seen some sick scenario gun setups that use them and personally, I think its probably the best situation for an rt or egrip.

[IronCorps]

Sorry dude, but you can't argue with the sheer speed of electronics or a Super RT. What you said was just rendered void with my previous statement. It's not about conquering high-ends, its about having a faster gun, which can help your gameplay. Period.

[Dr.Bong 4:20]

get an e-grip. its way better. easyer install. firing modes are cool especially FULLAUT0:eek: The only thing better about the R/T is you can crawl in a river and it will still work. if you did this with an e-grip, you would have to call tippmann and send in the grip and get a new one:P

[WhiteFoxYoko13]

I have one on my tippmann 98 custom. I think it is worth it if you have a electronic hopper or a cyclone feed system. But mine never had any problems.

[Cpt. Morgan]

get an e-grip. its way better. easyer install. firing modes are cool especially FULLAUT0:eek: The only thing better about the R/T is you can crawl in a river and it will still work. if you did this with an e-grip, you would have to call tippmann and send in the grip and get a new one:P

Dude for starters. FULL-AUTO is *****. It is the most ridiculous concepts. Shows no skill at all. Period. I don't care if the time is 0.25 seconds per trigger pull. Its complete BS and NO board should have the ability to go full-auto.

Now lets properly look at the pros and cons of the e-grip vs r/t shall we?

Response trigger pros:
- Is the toughest most resilient firing system (other then a normal mechanical one)
- Can be as fast as needed if you learn to use it correctly
- It is relatively simple thus not much can go wrong with it (Simplicity = Less possibility of error)
- Cheaper than e-grip
- Can be super r/t'd to be just as fast or faster then an e-grip FOR PRACTICALLY NO $$$
- Can be perfectly tuned to the players needs and wants for the bps department
- Can be absolutely destructive in the right hands
- Can take ANY air source at any rof
- Does not use batteries

E-grip pros:
- Now with the new was board installed on the grips it is a EXCEPTIONAL deal
- Firing modes (Semi-auto which is the one and only true firing mode to me, everything else is pretty retarded)
- Walkable (If you have a good dual trigger)
- Relatively user friendly (anyone can pull or walk a trigger)

Response Trigger Cons:
- Harder to learn to use (Don't expect a immediate 15-bps out of the box)
- No firing modes (DUHHHH!)
- Not as user friendly (Takes some time to get used to)

Note: I been using it for over 3 months and still can not get above 13-bps or so for 5 seconds

E-grip Cons:
- More complex thus more can go wrong
- Does not like CO2 at high rof
- Not as robust as r/t (more fragile)
- Costs more
- Need to include price of dual trigger (for walking... no point in a e-grip unless its semi auto with a dual trigger IMO)
- Uses batteries

Basically what it comes down to is this. The response trigger is a woods-ball firing mechanism while the e-grip is a speedball firing mechanism. You are almost guaranteed not to like the response trigger right out of the box but trust me it will grow ALOT on you. The r/t to me is superior in every single way to the e-grip EXCEPT that you can't control your rof with your fingers in battle as easily (On an e-grip you can walk it, on a r/t you can't). I use an r/t because it is INVINCIBLE compared to the e-grip. I use the r/t in speedball and it fairs decent enough for me. In the end it is personal choice but I recommend it over an e-grip if you are willing to take the time to learn how to use it and don't want to be cautious with your gun.

Hope that helped. Enjoy