Idiots

[Samanoske]

Whats up with all those retards who just post ones on a product. Whenever I check the PMI Pro TS marker it is always at 9.6 because some idiots put a 1 as a rating. If you are one of these people who do this it is probably jealous that the item is so much better then yours, you probably suck at paintball, and your gun, barrel or whatever probably sucks.

[slapcornpoopfac]

Because a PMI Pro TS markey SUCKS!!! HAHAHAHAHHAHAHHA!

[elTwitcho]

Yes but then people wrongly give it a 10 as well...

[Wintermute]

The idiots rate a product a "1" because they don't know any better. The key is to hunt them (on the paintball field) in order to keep their population in check. ;)

The lazy ones post 10's, because they don't like expending the effort to consider how the marker stacks up with others.

Given the balance of idiots and lazy people in the world versus the rest, the rarity of ratings between 1 and 10 is explained. :dodgy:

[FinnMcKool]

Yes a 10 would be the ultimate marker. I consider a gun good I give it a 8

[UTLadiesMan]

Well, I think this needs to be clarified...

I always put a 10 if the product was well worth the money, you could not make a better purchase dollar for dollar. So while a stock cocker is not the best marker out there, it sure is a lot better than most anything else in the $320 range.

[green_kat]

Originally posted by UTLadiesMan
Well, I think this needs to be clarified...

I always put a 10 if the product was well worth the money, you could not make a better purchase dollar for dollar. So while a stock cocker is not the best marker out there, it sure is a lot better than most anything else in the $320 range.

this is true, because a spyder xtra has like a 9.something rating and so does an angel.

in truth however these guns are on completely different levels.

if the scale were enlarged the guns would have quite different ratings

[UTLadiesMan]

Really, we should just know exactly how we are reviewing. If the prompt is "Would you reccomend this product" then obviously cost comes into play. If the prompt is "How would you rate this product on performance/looks" then cost doesn't come into play. I think that for the most part people take cost into consideration. I know I see that in the BAD section of a lot of posts, which usually lowers it a point or two for that post. I also see that in the GOOD section sometimes, especially with high performing equipment that is middle of the road in cost. Of course, most Brass Eagle is not afforded that privalege. In reality, if you were grading a Talon, the fact that it works as well as it does for $25 should be at least a 7 or 8. Sure it's a piece of crap, but it's a functional piece of crap and only costs $25. Granted, dollar for dollar, a Spyder or Tippy or Fishy is much more worth it, but it should at least be taken into consideration...

On the other hand, a don't think an Angel really outperforms a Spyder 12:1. It doesn't shoot 12 times faster, 12 times more accurately, or 12 times more consistently, or even 12 times a combination of those. Is it worth it? Yeah... It's kind of a sliding scale...

At any rate, neither prompt will yield good results... They both have their problems.

[AK47]

I think people don't give it an honest rating. Some give 10 others 1. They just do this to make the thing look better or worse. These types of people shouldn't be reviewing anything.

[MINDofSIN]

I usually ignore most reviews except the longer, more detailed ones. The short reviews either say the same as many other reviews, don't explain their reasoning, and are not accurate.

[LordChaos]

Some markers deserve 1's (Talon anyone?)

10's are harder though. A 10 should be a marker that is at it's peak. Not only is there nothing that can improve it, there's nothing that NEEDS to be improved. it's the ultimate (or near enough) marker. It should be a rare gun that recived a 10... a VERY rare gun.

On the other hand, however, there is something to be said for a "bang for your buck" rating. One where you would take into consideration how well it performs, what problems it would have, and price.

A spyder, for example, is a damn fine gun for what it is. For it's price, it's great. Wonderfull upgrade paths, very decent performance, overall a great value. Defenatly a 9 in terms of bang for the buck. But would ANYONE say it's a better marker then a cocker? Or a Timmy? If one scores where 10 is the ulimate, end all be all paintball marker, perfect in every way (price no consideration)... well, then a spyders a 5... maybe a 6. Decent, but not worth giving up vital organs for. :)

[LordChaos]

Originally posted by MINDofSIN
I usually ignore most reviews except the longer, more detailed ones. The short reviews either say the same as many other reviews, don't explain their reasoning, and are not accurate.

I've come to ignore those that apear to be rants (all caps is a giveaway). I've also found myself ignoring those that don't list any positive (or negitive) items. 10s and 1s are, in my opinion, given too freely on the vast majority of products.

[UTLadiesMan]

Originally posted by LordChaos
10's are harder though. A 10 should be a marker that is at it's peak. Not only is there nothing that can improve it, there's nothing that NEEDS to be improved. it's the ultimate (or near enough) marker. It should be a rare gun that recived a 10... a VERY rare gun.

Then no gun should be a 10. Every gun needs at least one more thing to make it perfect. Some things could be perfect though, like Redz gear, or cargo pants or something, but every marker has at least one thing that isn't "the absolute best available part". Ususally it's the barrel. Even cobra and elemental angel would be better off with a full freak set.

[LordChaos]

Originally posted by UTLadiesMan


Then no gun should be a 10. Every gun needs at least one more thing to make it perfect. Some things could be perfect though, like Redz gear, or cargo pants or something, but every marker has at least one thing that isn't "the absolute best available part". Ususally it's the barrel. Even cobra and elemental angel would be better off with a full freak set.

I've given 1 10 so far. To a pump. That doesn't even need an aftermarket barrel. Sure, it would make it quieter, but that's ALL it would do (out of box, it's everything you could ask for from a pump in every way. It's not even too loud with the standard barrel).

I'm also tempted to give a 10 to the blazer, because there is NOTHING performance-wise even remotely wrong with it....

Other then that... you are correct, 10's shouldn't realy be out there. There are very very very few markers that should be considered for the "10". I wouldn't even rate my tricked out Sov a 10 (9, yea... 10? not quite).

[UTLadiesMan]

I think you got me wrong. I was mearly saying that if Lord Chaos was correct, and 10 is perfection, then no stock marker could achieve that. I personally wouldn't consider 10 perfect. I consider 10 working well with no performance issues for the price range. If a Talon was made out of metal and lasted more than a month, I would have no problem giving it a 10. Hell, a functional marker for $25 that works for an extended period of time is an accomplishment. (one that BE has yet to complete...) Also, if an Elemental angel worked marginally better than a timmy, i would rate it like a 6 or 7. Sure, it works better than the timmy i gave a 10, but it's not worth the extra 1G_ on top of that. (This is all hypothetical, all performance reviews in this post are BS, as are all ratings. I have not used any of the above markers enough to rate them confidently)

[LordChaos]

Originally posted by UTLadiesMan
I think you got me wrong. I was mearly saying that if Lord Chaos was correct, and 10 is perfection, then no stock marker could achieve that.

Ummm... *I* (LordChaos) was the one who posted that reply to your reply... :)

I understand what you are saying, but I am saying that, if 10 is perfect, there ARE markers that qualify for consideration because they ARE damn near perfect out of the box. Sterling STP. Phantom. Blazer. Few, of course. But they ARE there, and they do function as close to perfection from the box as is possible to achive.

I OWN a stock Sterling STP. The nearest thing to a complaint on it (besides price) is that teh barrel is louder then a ported barrel. I've ALSO played with a Sterling STP that had a very nice ported barrel. Very quite.... but from 10 feet away, they sounded the same. From 15 feet, you couldn't hear ether unless one was dry firing. Stock, out of the box, the Sterling IS perfect for a pump marker.

I'm not trying to get into a debate about any specific marker though. I'm just using that as an example of a marker that, out of the box, IS worthy of consideration for the title of "perfect".

[UTLadiesMan]

Oh, ok, it all makes sense now... Sorry, you'll have to excuse anything stupid I say for a while. I haven't slept more than two hours a night since last Thursday... Of course, if I happen to say something brilliant, then I'll take all of the credit, but at this point it's really just random key strokes.

[LordChaos]

Originally posted by UTLadiesMan
Oh, ok, it all makes sense now... Sorry, you'll have to excuse anything stupid I say for a while. I haven't slept more than two hours a night since last Thursday... Of course, if I happen to say something brilliant, then I'll take all of the credit, but at this point it's really just random key strokes.

Hey, I was just there a few days ago... sucks to got 3 days between naps... Get some sleep dude, we'll argue gear later.

[Shmoo]

Sorry this is off topic but this is the only place where I can get a quick response






I have a 48ci nitro tank and I need a drop foward/cradle. The drop needs to be alot and the price realitvley cheap-- the cheapest. Also I need one that does not have a welded on asa. I have a reg asa thingy and I dont want to remove the reg. Also I need it to have spyder holes.

one that works on the black dragun pie2

[UTLadiesMan]

Originally posted by LordChaos
Hey, I was just there a few days ago... sucks to got 3 days between naps... Get some sleep dude, we'll argue gear later.

I can't... I just lay there and stare at the ceiling for 7 hours straight.

[LordChaos]

Originally posted by UTLadiesMan


I can't... I just lay there and stare at the ceiling for 7 hours straight.

There are ways to solve that... some are even legal if you are old enough.

:D

[UTLadiesMan]

Originally posted by LordChaos


There are ways to solve that... some are even legal if you are old enough.

:D

Hehe, my room mate just turned 21 an hour ago, but you can't buy alcohol after midnight here, so I don't have a free influx until tomorrow :(