Do you believe in Snipers?

[Hewitt]

I have noticed that this is a very argued position in paintball and I want to hear some other people's opinions on the position of "sniper"?

Personally, I feel that there CAN be snipers in paintball. I think a "sniper" is more of a term to describe a style of play than a position. Snipers rely on good position and a few good shots to get the desired results. Many people have told me that I can't be a "sniper", just a "camper" and I don't think that is quite true.

A "sniper" is often confused with "campers". Here is the difference in my opinion.

Sniper - player who utilizes single shot effectiveness by positioning themselves in a superior location to their opponent
Camper - player who utilizes position with the intent of ambushing players when possible

I think a "sniper" is always mobile and constantly seeking the better positions while the "campers" wait. Those are my thoughts on the topic, I would love to hear some other opinions as well :D

[carrim]

Everyone on my rec-ball team calls me a sniper so I guess I'll say why.

Firstly, when that whistle blows I run like hell as fast as I damn can down the most densely-wooded flank. About a third down the flank I'll stop and start to move more slowly and quietly. If I encounter a large enemy group I will just simply try and get around them, if it's just one guy I'll go for a shot though. 90% of the time I manage to either get behind or off to the side of the enemy base. I take one shot at a max of 50 feet away then wait for the enemies at the base to stop looking for me or atleast calm down a bit then I shoot again. Eventualy some of them will come looking for me so I have to pull back and go around to find another spot. If my team doesn't manage to get a few people attacking this base eventualy I am pretty much doomed, but what I do makes it ALOT easier for my team to attack the enemy base and get the flag pull.

I also use a fair bit of camo, not a ghillie cause I run way too much but I wear a German pattern camo jacket and pants, camo-netting on my gun/tank/hopper and drape some camo-netting off my mask below the lens and some on top of the visor.

The most important tactics for me are stealth, concealment and accuracy (human accuracy, not gun accuracy).

Hope this helps, I never like calling myself a sniper because of people's obvious opinions of them in paintball but my team thinks I do a great job and that's enough for me. :)

[AK47]

For me there are snipers. Its a one shot one kill without being seen by the enemy. So there out and they don't know who got them. Thats my sniper definition.

[mattimaru]

i think carrim hit this one right on the goggles.

[carrim]

Thanks AK47 :)

I have a "work-in-progress" site that anyone who wants to be a sniper-type paintball player might like to take a look at. Anyone is welcome to submit stories or tactics in the "contribute" section too.

[Brennan Holten]

Whether you believe in the sniper definition or not, some of them are the scariest *******s on the field. I think most people would agree, if they want to be called "sniper" it would be wise not to argue with them.

[Lavahead]

I don't know if I would call them snipers, but there are definitely good independent players out there. Since the ranges in paintball are fairly short and most guns shot about the same range anyway, a sniper type player has to rely on other abilities, most moving without being seen. This is what I usually so; I just call it "sneaking around". Real creative, huh? Anyway, I try to move under cover at long range to avoid being seen until I'm about even with the other team's line, then I move right down it, taking out players 1 or 2 at a time. I generally spot my target, find some cover to use to block their vision of me while I move, and advance until I'm as close as possible, no more than about 25 yards. By keeping myself along the other team's line of players, I get shielded from the rest of the opposing team by the very guys that I'm shooting at! When they are out, I move down the line, using trees, bunkers, and the other players to block my advance as much as possible. I like to get close so I hit them with just a few shots, so there's less chance of the other team noticing me.

[NYRChaoS]

yes i believe in sniper , i believe they are not there ok yes that what my dad does but it shouldnt be concidered sniper, a real sniper sits in 1 position w/o moving for days. right.............. unfar advatage right........ yes and most people who say they are "snipers" are accually "campers" thats wha i think

[AK47]

Campers only stay in one place. Snipers have to move when there seen or when they have a target moving in a different direction.

[NYRChaoS]

snipers are not suppost to be seen........................

[Furious pb]

I have often been called on to be a sniper, although I'm not normally one. I completely support the sniping position. People who spray and pray just get defensive because their not as efficient as snipers; theres also the fact that snipers shoot the enemy without having to engage in a long fire fight, people with tricked angels like to be in the fire fight position. They're mainly just afraid of not havin that situation.

[KallenP]

Sniping is bogus because 80% of the people who say they are a "sniper" are refering to military terms or they are so accurate they can hit you from far away which is a load of BS. Basically, I tried it it somewhat works. Only in rec does it work and if you only shoot one ball smart kids out there then you will notice you dont hit anything. Paintball guns arnt that accurate and sniper is not a position on a paintball field. I think that there are very accurate people out there but they are not fireing one shot they are firing a steady pace or well placed shots. The point is that you may think sniping is possible or have some fantasy about it but in the end you will relize that it dosn't really work so learn some good skills like snapshooting or communication.

[Furious pb]

I disagree with you Kallen. In paintball, snipers don't have to shoot from far away, they just have to get close. This often includes traps and such.

[NYRChaoS]

3 shots does it , u cant just shoot 1 time it mite bounce then what, your seen ........ahhhhhh i give up later

[KallenP]

I am more tourny based so I dont see snipers as an aspect there. On really big fields sniping is possible in rec. I think though that sniper shouldn't be used. I think you should just call yourself accurate or someone accurate and play. Hiding and taking shots is really just deluding yourself that you are a sniper. If thats your thing then cool but all I am saying is sitting back ambushing is only done depending on the field and establishment you are playing at. Most fields I play at true sniping like you describe is not really possible. The only way that I ever do sniping is in a scenario where fewer players go in and hide set up ambush whatever and then a bigger force tries to take them out. That is fun and somewhat can be sniping.

[AK47]

Even if the ball bounces you still sniped them. Can someone please end this, This will never stop!

[Furious pb]

At the outlaw field I play my kind of sniping(earlier post) is nececary. We have made a speedball field, and we have a woods fields. The woods are really thick in some parts, and you have to get in close to take shots that arent through the woods. This is a big area too, It's like 15-20 acres. If you go runnin and gunnin, you're gonna get lit up.

[Murph1]

I do believe in snipers. Now that that's out of the way, I also believe that there are as many snipers as you would think assuming that the sniper role is for real. There are the little kids who arent that smart and think that they can go out with a marker they are completely unfamiliar with, and shoot a squirrel in the nuts at fifty yards with one hand. So they stay back at their break point and hide from the other guys, often they take down one or two guys, not bad, but they never move so the other teams shooters know their EXACT position and said players get lit up.

Real paintball snipers are those who spend time studying their opponent when they are not actually playing, they take time to shoot, they move to better hides. They make sure that their first shot is either going to rattle the other guy up real bad or eliminate him. They dont necissarily wear ghille suits, because the burlap does get caught, and they lose mobility over it.

I happen to be a hybrid type player. I am a cross between a shooter and a sniper. More commonly referred to as a lone wolf. I only work with my team working on a playing strategy for the game due to the fact that I know every tree root and rock pile large enough to be used for cover at my home field. I know what positions provide tactical advantages, and I make solo strikes specifically designed to cause a diversion allowing our shooters to make it to said positions safely. On escort/assassination scenarios, I move to meet my target and use full effort to eliminate him fast, and eliminate any targets of opportunity.

With all that information let out, DO NOT FRIGGIN TELL ME THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A SNIPER. IF YOU THINK THAT ONLY NOOB'S ARE SNIPERS, MAYBE YOU SHOULD CONSIDER THE BROADNESS OF YOUR OWN PAINTBALL EXPERIENCE. HAVE YOU PLAYED WOODS BALL? NO? THEN SHUT THE HELL UP!

[PooGas]

Yes I BELIEVE!!! but I also believe in Ghosts, Goblins, and Hobbits.

[carrim]

Dear God this is getting ugly, If you can score an elimination in either one shot or a burst without being seen, by yourself, and do this alot than by all means, call yourself a sniper.

http://www.paintballsniperhq.homestead.com

shameless promotion but still very relevant :D

[KallenP]

Um one nobody starts in tournys so I have played woods.

2. I started with an sl-68II with sniping in mind and played as a "sniper" like you say.

3. I still play rec in the woods.

4. Most of the establishments that I play at dont have thick shrubs like yours does and so sniping dosnt exactly work.

5. I dont care what you think you are if that is the case then call yourself a sniper, but as I once found out that the game of paintball is one big adrenaline rush and if sniping is your thing then its your thing but it is not for me.

Also you can study me all you want off the field and you will find a funny guy who likes to help new players out and drinks Dr Pepper. So if you can get something out of that I would be very impressed. Funny though I would be a nice target for you I usually where a blue hat a blue hopper and all sorts of colorful blue stuff when I play so you would probably be looking for me he he he! The only probablem with sniping I found was that you can do it but it has to be a big field and you have to know it. I walk fields before I play them as well and I find out where good spots are. I get up to the 50 and start taking out center players usually from a near the tape angle. Then I focus on close players and people to take out. All that I am is a havoc bomb the same as you attempt to be. The only difference is I utilize forward movement while you utilize backward movement and ambush. Paintball snipers can and do exist in certain fields but frankly im tired and am tired of this subject so have fun bieng a sniper.

[Lavahead]

Paintball guns arnt that accurate and sniper is not a position on a paintball field. I think that there are very accurate people out there but they are not fireing one shot they are firing a steady pace or well placed shots

Isn't a well placed shot kind of the same as an accurate shot?

[Magnus55]

Ok this thread has gone suprisingly well so far. Murph1 that last post was a little past the rules for flaming, so try to keep that in check. For everyone else, the moment this thread gets out of hand and people start getting disrespectful, I will close it down and destroy it.

Now play nice boys. :)

[AK47]

Im going to flame this post up so it gets closed down because its driving me crazy!:crazy:

[KallenP]

Ok mom...:laugh:

Its not the type of electro in the fight its the skill in the player.

YOU DA MAN IF YOU PLAY WIT A COCKER!

[Murph1]

Would you be the man if you played with a sniper 2? I'm only asking since an autococker is a Sniper 2 with some pneumatics jerry-rigged on a front block.

[KallenP]

Autocockers are Autocockers and Sniper 2's are Sniper 2's but truly you are the man if you can live up to my player guidlines.

[Hewitt]

Hmmm.......this thread did I little better than I expected it to :D

I am a personal fan of the Phantom when I "snipe", it is a great gun for the job which provides as much accuracy and range as most.

[KallenP]

There are alot of people who believe that Autocockers accuracy is false. Why is your pump so accurate? The placement of the ball in the barrel held firm is the key to accuracy what do you say?

[the other one]

Ok, here's my peice of wisdom (or lack of). the art of sniping in it's true form isn't that possible in a regular game of rec ball. (it's even harder to try it in a speedball game). i find that the game has to be a long scenario game in order to do it right. someone earlier in the post said that a real sniper will hide and wait for days and nights for that shot, i agree, but I was reading a nice little picture book about the royal marine sniper school in england. man is that hard! they have to sneak up to a tree line without being seen by people who know they are coming. thay set up, and take a few shots with a guy who gets to stand right next to them pionting at them and they have to be invisible. anyway, they usually set up a little bush to hide behind and wait for people.




what was that i just said? im sorry, im tired and my thoughts are jumbled. sorry for those of you who didn't understand what i was trying to say, (what was i trying to say?) ok. good night.

[sgt carman]

yes i belive sniping occers in pball and a sniper is someone who hunts a target getting close and taking a few shots that is in paintball but one thing is a pump gun is not a reqirement you could snipe with any gun even an angel if say you had it set to less than 5 shots anyway whatever works for ya

[The Sniper]

I believe in snipers. We don't eliminate players from a huge distance like the military snipers. We do it from medium range. Snipers give support to the front line and sometimes are assigned to eliminate a certain player.

[KallenP]

Angels aren't automatic from the factory kid.:laugh:

They are semi automatic for your sniping reasons.

Unless it is a big game going and hunting one specific target will be pretty hard depending on the field. Plus if its just a normal game why would you hit a specific player? How would you know its worth it or you could actually get a shot at them? How do you know which side they will be on. Are you going to guess? I dont know I just think that you sniper guys think you can do more than you really can?(No animals were hurt during the making of this statement)

[The Sniper]

When I am assigned to go after a certain person it is because they are either the best player or leader. There is usually more then one sniper so we watch most of the field. Our team leader pointed out the person i was sent after so we know what kind of gun he has and how he dresses.

[KallenP]

Yea see what are you talking about leader. In rec usually the experienced guys get the plan going and get the new players evened up on the field for body support. Other then that taking out one specific player isn't going to do much. There are alot of instances were you wont even see whoever you are looking for. I just found a good spot or spots and took people out whenever I sniped. Also I bring like 3 markers to the field so If I switch markers and throw on a jacket over my Jersey because I am cold that pretty mutch screws you over dosn't it?:D Or what if I come with my team members and since we have the same jerseys and Autocockers that would probably screw you up too. Or what if I know you are doing this(suposing it works) and I make a big rucus at one end of the field and my team pushes the other side strong and since I know I have you on me and whoever else, I know I can get a breakout on the other side! Sniping is funny because although it probably could work in some instances it is way to easy to falter and is a waste of a player in "most" cases.

[The Sniper]

Well the part about tracking one person down and eliminating that player was not my idea. There was one player on the other team who eliminated like 10 people. So the most experienced players told us to go after him so they sent the snipers after him since he went only with one other person. I mean we got them eventually ,but in only has worked like twice. If he a lot of players came after me i do the most instinctive thing "Shoot and Run like Hell!!!" This works real good.

[FlyBoyNZ]

Ever see "The Patriot"? When Mel Gibson and his sons rescued the older son, that was sniping. They were using muskets, they ran a lot, and got 1 shot 1 kill. they werent far away.

my definition of sniping-1 shot 1 kill, not being seen by opponent, using strategy and tatics.

[Hewitt]

Sniping doesn't even have to be one shot one kill, just close. With paintball guns it's much harder to get one shot kills because there are more unstable variables and things to go wrong in every shot compared to military snipers sporting .50 Remingtons. I decide who is a sniper based on how they play a situation in comparison with a semi player. If they shot far less with the same result than I consider them a sniper. That is very simply put but close to what I'm trying to say.

[Henry_the_Lion5]

I basicly agree- Campers are people who don't shoot and don't move, "Snipers" as there called are people who do hang back but can provide suppresive fire and pick off people others accually can't. By that I mean people who are in range of there gun but can't hit snipers who can hit them. That might be critical.

[FlyBoyNZ]

i say snipers dont hang around back, they hang around back behind the other team. i did that once and it was so fun.

[sniper_dude]

to settle any disputes lets call them sneaky marksmen.. a sniper is one shot one kill... plus a sniper stalks his prey in waiting.. paintballers do one of the 2...unless your really good and have perfect paint..so eveyone is wrong and right....settled..personally i find counter-sniping thrilling

[pbrush]

First, i am not a paintball sniper. But i do think that they add a lot to the game. They are not campers. A good snipers uses stalking, and many other techniques. They do somtimes get ahead of the enemy and wait for them to arrive.:)

[carrim]

A paintball sniper uses stealth, camoflauge, and accuracy (human accuracy). That's pretty much it.

[sgt carman]

ok here is what i call a sniper(me)
ok start off ither sides of the field first thing i do is turn to the left cross a creek and up onto a little ridge get behind a stump without the three people about 15 feet away from my spot seeing me i pick my target (guy in field overalls with a tippmann m98) i aimed and took my shot wack i hit him in the side of his head i talked to him after and he had no clue were i was and ither did his friends who ran after i shot the guy in the field overalls

that by my standards is sniping.

[Russia]

I think that sniping is the greatest thing, and it is the most challenging. I also think that sniping is dang near impossible in paintball. Half the time you miss and other times it bounces, also you are without support so usually you get your one kill then run away or get capped. Usually you are out of contact of your team since you are a lone wolf so what do you do if you come upon the enemy en masse? Sit there and hide? How does that help? Ever play at night? Have fun trying to snipe. You don't see your enemy, so where are you going to creep in the dark? What if he (the enemy) is there? Also if no one is moving because of nervous fear it is quiet and the slightest movement makes a loud enough sound for everybody to hear you. Which prompts loose cannons to blast and give away your position. I joined paintball to snipe but realized it is impossible. The best thing is going in a small 2 to 4 man squad. That way it is still small, but has enough fire support to get out of a sticky situation. Plus at night there are 4 sets of eyes instead of 1.
O.K. I will stop my ranting and raving, but my opinion still stands at sniping is dang near impossible!

[the other one]

ok, snipers, you want to test your skills? try this: get a bunch of your sniper buddies and go play "tag". thats it. but actually, tag with painball is really challenging. for the attacker, you have to set up and fire with out the person knowing exactly where you are and you have to have an escape route to go to. and for the other people who aren't "it", you have to move without being seen, and sometimes just hide. and escape and dissapear. that's one of the hardest things to do, dissapear when someone is chasing you.

[Henry_the_Lion5]

Tell ya what. Snipers, this is if your on the enemy team, are the worst thing in the world. A good sniper can outrange, out menuver, and out shoot. That would suck, That means by the time you've found him your out and hes on the next target. If he is found and shot at, He should be able to fall back and reposition... Hard to overcome IF he can outrange you, Like the flatline. If you shoot that flatline at the googles or any hard surface it will break at any range.

[Frosty]

Sniper- Changes positions often to get in a better view of the enemy. Can not be seen. Sneeky, Patient, and Quite kind of person. "Im a sniper. I move in places where hopefully they can not see. I take pride in my shots and make every shot count. If im at a bad angle, I walk really quite and carefully so I don't make a sound or sudden movements."

Camper- Assumes the postition for several minutes and does not move from that spot. Cowardly, non-agressive kind of person.

Thats my 2 cents.......

[PartsMart]

I think indivduals as snipers are a waste of a player. But if a person in heavy camo is positioned in a spot, and told by the team to hold a path or flank, and they camoflauge themselves and wait for a spot they are kind of a sniper, but going off by yourself and sniping is a waste

[Frosty]

How so? You might catch the enemy trying to sneak around to get your other team mates.....?

[carrim]

"that's one of the hardest things to do, dissapear when someone is chasing you."

I think not, just get out of their line-of-sight in a forest area for a split second and dive into some dense bush. Then just don't move and they will either keep running or look around for a bit then leave. This has worked for me atleast 20 times and hasn't backfired yet. No one likes looking around for an enemy they know is hiding and possibly watching them.

[the other one]

ok, im most likely repeating another post, but this is just to remind people like partsmart of something. it is a good idea to go with a partner. they help in spotting, firepower, flanking, and if you get into trouble, you can play leapfrog with them. (someone else, please explain if someone doesn't know, cause im not right now). anyway, they can be a help, and eliminate the "waste of a player."

when i go out with a partner, we stay about 10-20 feet from each other and silently leapfrog up the field. it works pretty good.

[133+ Player]

the only sniper is a stock pump player. That is the only true sniping. And if you can pull that off then you must ROXXER.

[the other one]

how can you say that a real sniper has to have a pump gun? you think our boys in afganistan have normal guns? hell no! they've got nice scopes and custom stuff on 'em. besides, stck pump guns are not very accurate at distances compared to regular guns. if i were sniping someone out, i would sure like a gun that could shoot farther and more accurate than his.

[Henry_the_Lion5]

While the range might be shorter, Accuracy is not... Pumps are more accurate within the ranges they shoot.

[FlyBoyNZ]

Originally posted by Henry_the_Lion5
While the range might be shorter, Accuracy is not... Pumps are more accurate within the ranges they shoot.

A lot of pump players have to disagree with that. They say pumps and semis have same accuracy, and i believe so too. I was shooting my Phantom and Piranha 15 minutes ago. It seemed like they were the same.

[Kittrell]

you can snipe with a standard issued rifle such as an m16, it just takes more skill

[rogue]

here goes my rambling...

sniping can be achieved with any gun, accuracy is measured in MOA (minute of angle), 1" @ 100 yards 2" @ 200 yards and so on.
The better the sniper weapon the lower the MOA it can CONSISTENTLY achieve. BTW why are we talking about military sniping, they are extremely different.

I join paintball to snipe too, learning that it was harder i bought a semi and just sprayed and prayed for a while. Once i was low on money from paint and was sick of people saying that i just spray and pray, i went back to my SL-68II. I dont mean to be bragging, but give me regular camo and i can sneak up and eliminate any player from 50ft with one shot. After that it gets iffy.

I dont measure paintball accuracy in straight lines. Its more like a flat plane. Of course the ball is going to drop after 50-60ft so you need to compensate. I prefer to play with a pump because its more challenging and provides a need for fire discipline.

I gave my brother a pump to start playing with and refused to let him use a semi. Because of that 6 months later ive only seen player with a semi beat him fairly. Common Sense, the more challenge you have, the faster you will become a better player.

[133+ Player]

Originally posted by the other one
how can you say that a real sniper has to have a pump gun? you think our boys in afganistan have normal guns? hell no! they've got nice scopes and custom stuff on 'em. besides, stck pump guns are not very accurate at distances compared to regular guns. if i were sniping someone out, i would sure like a gun that could shoot farther and more accurate than his.

How can you say that.... The Phantom is a 10x better gun then i'm willing to say ANY auto or semi gun. Better range acuracy and everything. it's an entirley custom gun.

[PartsMart]

hahahahaha no. Im sorry to enlighten you, but I can bet you an autococker or an angel is better even if u just fire one shot like a pump. Also if pumps were better, why wouldnt all the tournament players use em

[133+ Player]

Originally posted by PartsMart
hahahahaha no. Im sorry to enlighten you, but I can bet you an autococker or an angel is better even if u just fire one shot like a pump. Also if pumps were better, why wouldnt all the tournament players use em

That is the stupid argument of all time. All tournement players don't you any single type of gun. And why do tons of pros go to stock after playing for a few years? Because they are awsome!!! A phantom is a great gun ask any user who has exspeirence. Plus it is all of all paintball tactics rolled into one. One hit, take your time, and stealth the opposite is also good(not flaming good spray tactics).

[rogue]

l33+ is exactly right.

anyways were not playing with real guns with nice scopes so why bother relating paintball to afganistan.

and its pathetic that someone can pay $180 for a phantom, and still stand up to, if not beat, an angel. May as well close this thread down if stuff like this is gonna keep popping up.

[133+ Player]

Originally posted by rogue
and its pathetic that someone can pay $180 for a phantom, and still stand up to, if not beat, an angel. May as well close this thread down if stuff like this is gonna keep popping up.

huh? Phantoms can own any gun any day. Just like all guns cuz it's mostly player. A stingray2 can beat an angel if the angel is less exspeirenced. Phantoms are like an angel thats pump, since they are custom build guns. A stock player is usally a vet that is sick of spray and pray tactics. So he can OWN most other players. ( if thats not what ya ment sorry lol )

[sprayboy14]

i have been called a sniper because when im on a field i usually move pretty stealthily and i dont spray when i see someone but i dont really think its a position more of a state of mind and i dont mind being called 1 sometimes because from some people its a respectful title but thats just my opinion
just my thoughts,
chris

[rogue]

im caled a sniper all the time, because i am a paintbal sniper :)

anyways yea it is a respectable position. This "elite" (captain of his tourney team, guess they own i dont follow tourneys) guy was calling my down the whole day and then refused to play rec with me because im a "wussy" (PG-13 here :)) while i always got him out

He said anyone could do it. SO i handed him my Sl-68 and my ghillie suit, rented a M98 (stock barrel mind you) and challenged him. Anyways he still walked off the field with a yellow splat on the gun.

He has still never lived that one down. SO yes snipers exist, in Rec and Scenarios games. You can snipe in Speedball, just in the fashion of Rec or Scenario games. A sniper in speedball is mainly just a vet that likes one-shot (pump or semi) kills. And they dont crawl around, they act like regualr speedball players but are a little bit sneakier and dont use spray and pray.

[JUMBOshrimp]

I'm A sniper (Not a very good one But good enough) I have the nack to travel through the densest Brush where no other would think to travel or look. I move with speed through to end up on the other Side of the Enemy While my Team gets on the other side... Its usually Not pretty afterwords.

Snipers use sniper tactics they are very stealthy and they have an afinity with their surroundings allowing them to move quietly and camoflauge themselvs better..

Now as far as Pump guns are concerned.. I personally don't see the increase in either Range or accuracy. The main problem with that arguement is if your fighting another sniper that can stay hidden just as well as you of the same skill level-- Then the Semi auto is going to be the downfall of the pump-- We can shoot when we run and when I run I maintain Accuracy.

I honestly don't want to argue though cause I';m sure some of you Pumpers could blow me away but you never know... ^_^

JÜMBOshrimp

[Devastator]

Semi-auto's are by far better. With a semi-automatic you can take down multiple targets much faster before they can run away and hide. Plus, if they just charge your position, you'll have pump to shoot em', but with a semi, just keep shooting at em' until they're dead, or for some reason or another your screwed/dead. (screwed=jamed/empty/low gas/etc.)

[Devastator]

Also, most people mix me up with sniper, camper, and gaurd.
Just for sake of posting I'll say what I do, and why theya ccuseme.

Sniper: I usually charge and duck into some brush about 50 ft. from a path and wait for the oncoming enemy. If they don't show, I sneak progressivly closer until I can see a bunch of em' and I can run to another place before they locate my position and charge. The people usually say I'm being a wuss.

Gaurd: I gaurd the fort from a great vantage point. They say I'm a woosy camper. (at they did last trip until I took 5 guys who didn't see me until I waved at the "dead" men)

Camper: When I'm hurt I camp, better to have a slightly less mobile camper than one man short. They say I'm camping, I say I waiting to advance until I can just walk and not have to run...much

(not proudly posted, but mainly for the sake of posting!)

[133+ Player]

Originally posted by Devastator
Semi-auto's are by far better. With a semi-automatic you can take down multiple targets much faster before they can run away and hide. Plus, if they just charge your position, you'll have pump to shoot em', but with a semi, just keep shooting at em' until they're dead, or for some reason or another your screwed/dead. (screwed=jamed/empty/low gas/etc.)

Ummm.... Only a newb needs a semi to snipe. I'm one of those newbs... but not for long :D. But truthfully only the most 1337 can survive with a pump.

[rogue]

dude, start with a pump and ull soon rock everyone with a semi u know. The more challenging it is, the faster you learn.

[mlharnett]

In my humble opinion, sniping is a state of mind. You sneak up on people and shoot them (long or short range) without them knowing you were there......
If someone sees you, you are not a very good snipe, no matter how far away you are.
Snipers are an undetected threat to the opposing team...plain and simple (whether you are using a semi, pump or just throwing rocks at them).
Of course, one shot one "kill" is the best way to go when sniping and to do that you need an accurate weapon.

if you can throw one rock, hit one kid in the head and remain undetected, you have just sniped someone. Believe it or not.

Rip me if you want.
:crazy:

[hmm]

I agree with the person that says start with a pump before using a semi. I started on a talon ghost (perhaps the only brass eagle gun ive ever liked, im not sure if liked is the word though...). I learned to use positioning and tactics to my advantage instead of firepower and accuracy, as anyone with a talon knows you have to be within 15 yards to have a reasonable chance for a kill. I think that this molded me into more of a front player, while ive noticed many of my friends that started with semis like to sit back in one position and blast away (often to little effectiveness).

On the subject of sniping- if sniping means eliminating the enemy without being seen prior to taking him out and utulizing a fluid and concealed position, then i think sniping exists. Long range sniping rarely does; i once got taken out at 40 yards in one shot without knowing where the person was untill i was shot. That was a snipe.

[the other one]

ok 133, let's say you cloned yourself, and challenged yourself to a game of paintball. You would get any pump gun you wanted, and your clone would get an angel. stock or customized, i don't care. but i would bet that your clone with the angel would beat you and your pump most of the time. Why? just because of the faster fire rate. now im not saying that he would spray and pray, but it's just that they would have more options available to them. If you snuck around him and took that sweet shot, but just before it hit him, it curved and missed, he would turn around and start fireing like mad to get you cause now he knows where you are and now he has the advantage. Now switch the scenario around. He misses that one shot, then fires ten within the second it took you to turn around. he still has the advantage. a semi is like a safety measure. If you miss the first time, you can at least fire a few more shots before the guy gets good cover. Also, if there's a group of guys combing the area, you can take a heck of a lot more of them down with semi auto fire. It is not impossible to only hit the trigger once when you have a auto gun. in fact, you can probly snipe better with one than you can a pump gun. You don't have to move the barrel and pump it, you can just squeeze the trigger again. of course the skill of the player has mostly everything to do with who comes out with paint on them, but if you find some guy that's the same or better skill than you with a semi, you're gonna wish you had a semi too.

[rogue]

Pump = more challenging, best for expierenced players
Semi = Less challenging, best for novice-amatuer (sp)

then again i have seen awesome players prefer semi's for the ROF to pull them out of a tight situation, but that doesnt mean everyone prefers semi's to snipe or pumps to snipe. Its all preference, so lets leave it at that.

[Blaster CA]

Originally posted by 133+ Player


Ummm.... Only a newb needs a semi to snipe.


I 'snipe' with an Automag. I'm not a newbie though. I've been playin since '87. Yes, I could 'snipe' with a pump just as easily. But I couldn't hold off 5 guys that have come chargin me if I've been detected.

Havin the firepower of an Automag doesn't hurt when I'm 'sniping' & it can help in a tight spot. If I blow it & am spotted while toting a pumpgun, my options aren't good. I can die tryin to take down a guy or two. Or I can run. Neither is acceptable to me. I'd rather give the other team a nasty surprise when they come after the 'wussie sniper'.

Also, sometimes the sniping thing just ain't happening. With apumpgun, I can bail on 'sniping' & add a few shots to the frontline. With my 'Mag, I can add a lot of shots to the frontline, if needs be.

There's usually always a time & place for 'sniping'. But for the times when there's not, I can play the "lazy man's game" (that's what my friend calls the ROF/BPS 'game'). The versatility that packing a semi gives you while 'sniping' is often overlooked. It shouldn't be though.

[Devastator]

...a pump gun is better. Within the distance is shoots, is generaly more accurate, but you gotta pump each time. I can see why its better for new people who wanna snipe, or a get a good shot for that matter, since youre forced to get a good shot or you'll be shot, which is rather unpleasant.
Here's an example of a sit. where semi is better than pump while snipering. If you miss with a semi, pay attention to where the ball hit and tilt to compensate a bit, then shoot a couple shots, repeat that and you'll hit em'(I can squeeze off 3-5 shots a second doing that, about 2-3 reaimings). With a pump gun you'll have to pump when you miss really fast to shoot some more and you'll have to reaim, which lots of people dont do real quick (Im a near perfect quick shot, but my after aiming I just suck with accuracy, which confuses me, along with my friends)

They both have pros and cons to them, but really its just about youre preference, besides, a pump gun ain't to good in a tight spot, you can't spray shots into small groups or hold off groups of people easily, I've seen people do it before (vaguely reminicent of die hard airport scene where he shoots up the "maintence crew" that took out the SWAT, I think SWAT, been a while), but its REAL hard, unless your a pro like that guy was.

[rogue]

once again a pump is all preference. If you look at pure statitiscs, then semi's are way better than pump. Any closed bolt semi is just as accurate of any pump with the same air/barrel/paint and so on. Most people that i know play pump because its more challenging, and theres no better way to shut up a hot shot with his angel when you bunker him with a $100 pump (in my case).

go look up the statistics online, pukindogspaintball or something like that had one last time i checked. Can someone get the real link on that?

Obvoiusly i cant shoot as fast as a semi, but since ive used a pump so long, i can pump fast and without giving away my position. I can usually get 2-3 shots per second with a pump if im in trouble, thats accurately. I could push it with the auto trigger and spray, but i would much rather place well placed shots, even if im being rushed.

anyways since this has come down to more of an equipment for snipers thread, what do you guys think on the bushy ridge body veil system, seems pretty good to me but i havent had time to field test it.

[brad85]

there r no snipers, just bad back players hat dont fire enough and say they are "sniping". I play with someone how say they are a sniper and he is just a pain in the *** cause he hides at the back of the field and lobs a few balls at someone he cant hit cause they are totally out of range, but once we find him he cant win cause he does not know how to play real paintball, just "snipe"

[The Sniper]

ok that guy is not a sniper. Snipers in paintball aren't exactly like military snipers. They do not shoot one shot one kill the whole time. I have taken a few one shot one kills. Usually shoot 3 shots at a time ,but thats just me. I think the snipers are people who take shots that can actually hit someone. They also use sniper tactics. I know there are no snipers in speedball, you have to be stupid to try to snipe in speedball. thats my opinion.

[MrFire22]

What is a sniper?
snip·er Pronunciation Key (snpr)
n.
A skilled military shooter detailed to spot and pick off enemy soldiers from a concealed place

Hmmm , all paintball guns have the same Range with the exception of backspin systems (flatline barrels , Z-body's) and even then you are exchanging range for accuracy to a large degree. If you think a closed bolt semi or pump has longer range , than an open bolt gun that is chronoed to the same fps you need to retake high school physics. Closed bolt versus open bolt is only theoretically more accurate , in reality all the tests anyone has ever done has shown that it makes no measurable difference. In paintball there is only one form of accuracy , and that is simply accuracy by volume , the more shots you take the more likely you are to hit the target. Now given some barrels are more accurate than others and some paint is alot better than others and this all has an effect on accuracy , the biggest factor is raw bps , if you can unload 13 rounds a second and carry half a case of paint on your back you are going to hit alot more of what you're shooting at than the guy with a pump gun and 200 rounds period.
As far as sniper tactics and "sniping" these tactics are only moderately effective in a woodsball environment with heavy cover.
Take two teams , one made up of so called snipers that are going to use sniper tactics , limited paint and primarily pump guns and another team comprised of front players with good semi's and carrying paint on there backs working in a true team fashion with front and back players working the field like pros. I'll put my money on the Real players any day.
Keep the camo , keep the sniper barrels , keep the fancy veils gadgets and toys. Me my Minimag and 800+ rounds of paint are gonna whoop youre sniper wannabe tail. You can't hang the flag when your hiding in a bush. Agrresive playing wins more often than it doesn't period.

[Devastator]

Me and my 16" barrel (much more accurate than my previous) usually go hide in a place were I'm not stuck. I ALWAYS have an excape plan (usually two routes) or a tricky trail I've checked out so I wont be hindered (as much) so that the following guys can't get clear shots and keep up as easily. Also, being a sniper only in paintball is stupid and a waste of time. I generally go into "sniper mode" when its a good idea, like the other team has gotten a bunch our guys (17 man team to a 16 man team. I was had 2 people left, they had the tournament guys who came in a group and a total of 14 people left, damn those newbies on the damn camping field trip, and I took out 6 (kinda lucky though, usually it works for about 4 guys, then they've got you pinned down and surrounded) before I was shot, that when to use sniper tactics instead of regular playing tactics) .

[chimic]

There may be some of you that are "snipers" but i play speedball, airball, that type of thing and mostly the new kids that come with their blades, talons, viewloader guns, stingrays... etc. are the ones that think they are snipers, but they just hide in the back and surrender when anyone comes close. I guess there might be snipers, but i wouldnt call them snipers just a person with a good shot. No offense, i think snipering would be boring, i like to play up front where most the action is.

[The Sniper]

I only snipe either when i'm one of the last guys on the team and the other team had almost all their guys or when I'm playin a small game against my bro and the crappy players in the neighborhood. Someone who tries to snipe in speedball or airball is asking "Please, shoot me more." I also snipe when i know the other team is goin to run down the side of the field. I dont go defense to snipe i go offense.

[smallpaint98]

If there is a paintball sniper it is way different than a real military sniper. Paintball guns all have their max range between 100 and 200 ft.(Ok I did exagerate a bit) A military siniper Can hit a dime at 600yrds, or farther. They do this with a gun weighing 9- 15 lbs,
That is what a real sniper can do a paintball sniper couldn't ever do that.

[Blazestorm]

Everyone is a sniper in paintball

snip·er Pronunciation Key (snpr)
n.
One who shoots at other people from a concealed place.

What is a bunker? A Concealed place
What are you doing when you are behind that bunker? Shooting at other people

Meaning everyone is a sniper =P

[the other one]

ok, I'm reading this thread again and I think a few of you need to stop talking junk about paintball snipers. I do not consider myself a paintball sniper, although I have done the job many a time. The people who think that paintball snipers are just newbies hanging around the back and hiding under a pile of dirt are pathetically wrong. In my opinion, those newbies are not sniping, heck, they're not even playing. In paintball, the snipers are offensive. Just like in real combat, the snipers are the first in and the last out. They eliminate targets with precision and stealth so as not to be seen. Why don't they want to be seen? because they don't have an army to back them up. A paintball sniper should get as far as possible into the enemy territory, and then a bit further. Once there, they find a target and eliminate them with a minimum of paint and noise. Then they move on to find the next guy. That's what sniping is: staying concealed so you can find and shoot the enemy quickly and stealthily, and making sure no one saw you do it. Then repeat.
And for the people who think they "own" snipers with full autos, I got a message for ya: You can't hit what you can't see! that's right, they wont walk up the middle with guns blazing, they'll go slowly around so as not to be seen, take a few shots, and move on, thinking nothing of that guy with the mag or cocker or spyder or any other gun.

[The Sniper]

I agree with the other one. Paintball sniping is not defense. The only reason snipers can kill a lot of guys usually is one, they can move A LOT quieter when he is by himslf or with a partner not a group of 8 people. Blazestorm u are very wrong. If you say u are sniping from a bunker, thats stupid. The dictionary means a concealed in a place where the enemy has no clue where u are. Not a place u are hiding and the enemy is shooting at you and know exactly where u are.

[Blazestorm]

Well no one ever knows where I am :crazy: :laugh: :blah: :freak:

[The Sniper]

how do u know

[Killer15]

i am the team sniper..i have a 2002 vert feed black cocker with a 18" All American freak front green barrel, a woodland ghillie suit from www.ghilliesuits.com, and some bad *** camo. Let me give u an ex: of how I snipe: 2 Sat.s ago i was playing with some guys, it was me and my friend mike nedrow vs 5 other kids. me being the sniper and nedrow being kinda a recon type assaulter. while he took on 2 of the guys, i was hiding under under a pile of leaves with my ghillie covered and i was invisible basicly. i had the other group of 3 guys try and flank my partner, well they ran right by me and BOOM BOOM BOOM BOOM 2 down....the other one flipped out because all he saw was leaves flying and his men going down so he ran! ....my opinion of snipers....they exist and not only do they send info to their team by talkies' or radio, but they protect their team from slaughter...the psychological damage of a sniper on his targets is far more then the men he can kill...snipers rule!

BUY A COCKER THEY RULE!!!! and my 18" AA omg soooo quiet sweet
~thx 4 ur time bros~

[the other one]

I think blazestorm is kinda a rookie. and not very observant on the playing field. Sometimes I let guys sneak by me so I can pop out and shoot them in the back. people always see you. If you get out, someone saw you behind that bunker. DUH!!!

[The Sniper]

Yea i use the technique of when the guy will hide in the biggest bunker and u dont have a good shot. Dont fire any shots and use the waiting game. Move to a good spot and wait until the guy gets so impatient he cant stay in the bunker. When he stands up to look for you pop a couple paintballs in him.

[the other one]

yeah i use the waiting game against newbies, but the last time i played, it came down from 3v3 to 1v1. Me against my freinds dad. NEVER TRY THE WAITING GAME WITH SOMEONE WHO IS MORE PATIENT THAN YOU!!!!!! I made that mistake. we saw each other at the same time, and we both froze, and didn't move for like 5 minutes. I eventually got him out, but it was by luck, but anyway, only try the waiting game with newbies or grumpy people. otherwise it gets boring.

hey sniper, what kind of camo do you use?

[The Sniper]

Yea i use that technique only on my brother and newbie friends. I just use woodland camo when i play. I was thinkin about a ghillie suit ,but on my field i set up and find sniper spots. Usually behind a holly bush or thorn bushes.

[Joe Cool]

I am going to give you guys my opinion on what exactly i think a sniper is.

I think sniper is a cross between many things but mostly a lone wolf style and a tape runner. A sniper should be separate in my opinion from the group of other players and try to flank the other team in a position where it will do the most damage. Most of the time the other team will underestimate the boundary lines (at least in woods ball) so this is a good point to start.

Being a sniper does not mean one shot kill because it is simple impractical and you may loose an opportunity so i use 3 shots and only 3 shots just enough to get the job done.

Camo shouldn't make the sniper but it does help. One should use shadows and other things such as gullies or very large trees to hide behind.

Over all though i think the snipers main purpose is to exploit advantages he or she gets by being stealthy and alone to eliminate enemies and help the players take ground.

[evol]

i think sniping is a frame of mind more than anything else

[Killer15]

i think joe cool is exactly right :) :) :) :)

[the other one]

well, i agree for the most part with joe cool and everyone, but i would like to point out that a sniper doesn't always have to be a lone wolf. Yeah, most of the time they are alone, but sometimes its nice to have a partner to help spot and cover in case of a confrontation. sometimes i go with a freind and we leapfrog up the field. that's how i started my best game ever. (I got the whole 3 man team out alone while my team got clobbered.)

[KallenP]

Today I played a rec game and I was behind some bushes and I crawld down this trail up to this stump where their team didn't know where I was then I proceded to take out three guys with 3 or less shots pretty much wipping out what was left of that side. Do you think this is sniping. 3 or less shots, sneaking into a position, key eliminations? I dont think it is I think it is skill, same as when I played sup air today and slid into a bunker at the 50 and poped up and took out three guys. I say it is just skill. In woods I guess sniping is fun but have you ever tried a sup air field or speedball, on a good field? If you havn't atleast tried it then you don't know what your missing. Just a point of view.:cool: