Short stroking

[AK47]

What is short stoking?What models do it more often?
thanks

[ciaran.mooney]

Short stroking is when you dont let your marker complete its cycle. When you pull the trigger a load of things happen in order, depending on your marker. To make sure that your gun does this you have to pull your trigger back, all the way, and let it travel back to the forward position, all the way. Otherwise it will get half way through a cycle and try to start another one. Which wont work.

Mechaninical markers are more prone to short strokeing though it depends on the user. Electro's can be short stroked though its harder because they can cycle faster.

Mechanical markers : Automag, cocker, spyders, tippmans etc.
Electros : Angel, matrix, intimidator, etc

[infil]

Short stroking is where you dont completely pull the trigger on an autococker, thus either not cocking the gun which allows you to double feed(or more) and generally causes a severe firing problem with the cocker(accuracy of a stingray, consistency of a samurai).
Other than that, cocker's kick ***.
Cyas,
Infil

[arcfox]

short-stroking is the official term for circus dwarfs pleasuring themselves.:D

[dragonspawn]

Does short stroking have any lasting effects on your gun(range, velocity, etc.) or is it just the split second problem that fixes itself within the next pull and release of the trigger?

[HurleyHero67]

For the most part, it's just a one-shot screwup that will fix itself, but there can be lasting effects as a result of it. What will often happen, especially with automags and the like, is when you shortstroke, the ball actually breaks while it's still inside the chamber or not even in the barrel yet, so you're totally screwed for that round. But other than that, it's nothing you can't fix on-field or in 5 minutes after a game.

[dragonspawn]

the A-5 can short stroke crorrect? its mechanical so im assuming so.

[Micewheelz72]

Im not sure on that, Im not familiar with tippmann. But one thing to keep in mind: Short stroking only occurs because you're not familiar with your marker. Once you know how to handle it, it's really not an issue anymore.

[PBfreak01]

Well, I suppose I can't yell at the newbies for calling up an old thread...at least they did a search :P.

Short stroking can occur with any marker, it doesn't matter what build it is (unless it is a pump, in which case you have to short stroke it by pinching a ball between the feed and bolt).

Frankly, markers with longer trigger pulls are more prone to short stroking (think about it...you miss a pull by 1/16", and you may not catch the sear on the striker and *FOOM*, your marker has a nice new internal paint job), but it is a relativly easy problem to solve...the only sure-fire solution being to learn your trigger ;).

[V1nn`/]

u can short stroke a mech cocker the easiest if uve never shot one, or if ur going from electronic to mech cocker

short stoking is why electros > mech

[nahthan]

Even though Elctro pneumatic markers get shortstroked more often where I live.

[Lopez17]

Even though this post should be dead...I'll provide some historical info here. Short Stroking was a common problem primarily with earlier mechanical cockers due to their trigger and closed bolt designed. Though it could occur on any mechanical marker it's largely been corrected these days with shorter bolt cycles and electronically controlled solenoids/sliders. Generally when you have breaks these days it's not from short stroking it's from the bolt slicing into your ball. Even the newer cockers have largely corrected this problem and EBlades don't have this issue either. Much like this thread, short stroking is largely a thing of the past. :P

[HurleyHero67]

Originally posted by V1nn`/
short stoking is why electros > mech
I disagree. If that was the case, I would never buy an electro. As was said before, shortstroking is only a problem for a short time while you're still getting used to your trigger, and if you get an electro just because you don't want to shortstroke for a week, you just wasted your money.

[V1nn`/]

can u change your dwell to exactly 15milliseconds? how about your MROF (max rate of fire) to what ur hopper can load? how about the unmatched speed of your gun? WHAT ABOUT YOUR EYES, keeping you fro chopping?

show me one mech that can do that

[nahthan]

Originally posted by V1nn`/
can u change your dwell to exactly 15milliseconds? how about your MROF (max rate of fire) to what ur hopper can load? how about the unmatched speed of your gun? WHAT ABOUT YOUR EYES, keeping you fro chopping?

show me one mech that can do that
Nahthan's Handy dandy translator to 5th grade English:
"Can you change your dwell to 15 milliseconds? How about your max rate of fire to however fast your hopper can handle? 'How about the unmatched speed of your marker?' What about your eyes to keep you from chopping?"
It is so hard to type well enough to be understood without breaking any rules I see...
1) Sure... let me get out the stopwatch...
2) With hoppers feeding in excess of 24 balls per second, I think that without cheating you should be able to not miss a shot anyhow.
3) Unmatched speed eh? Tell me the CPS of the fastest electro pneumatic and compare it to a tacked tube blowback.
4) Level 10, anti-chop bolts, and spring tuning will all have the same effect: no chopping.
5) Can you play effectively in the rain as I can with my mechanical? Trudge through the same creaks?
6) What happens if the Earth's Polarity causes your magnetic sensors to mess up?
Etc etc?

[HurleyHero67]

Originally posted by V1nn`/
can u change your dwell to exactly 15milliseconds? how about your MROF (max rate of fire) to what ur hopper can load? how about the unmatched speed of your gun? WHAT ABOUT YOUR EYES, keeping you fro chopping?

show me one mech that can do that
Way to miss my point by a country mile. You specifically said short stroking is why electros are superior to mechs, which is ridiculous reasoning. Not once did either of us before mention what you just said. Moving on...

[Hellrunner]

You cannot short stroke an electro. Once the switch is hit it completes the cycle for you. You also cannot short stroke a mechanical blowback. The sear goes on the pull, and then automatically pulls it back up with a spring. I'm pretty sure the only thing you can short stroke (or will ever short stroke, if im wrong) will be a mechanical cocker. Not familiar with that many other mechanical guns thought so I'm not sure if other guns will short stroke.

Correct me if I'm wrong, I'm not an expert on the issue.

[PBfreak01]

Originally posted by nahthan
stacked tube blowback.


Let's hear it for nit-picking :party:

Anyway, about the challenge to name a mech with an eye-- There is ABSOLUTELY NO POINT! A properly lubricated marker (in the case of a blowback)/a properly timed marker (pnuematic) will not chop...and it doesn't hurt to know your marker, either, and then you'll quickly find out that that eye that cost you $100 extra is completely worthless. And the best eye in the world that prevents chops is the two that God gave you...used in conjunction with the grey matter in that thick noggin of yours.

And like nahthan said...blowback markers have an inherintly higher cyclical rate than other types (don't believe me? Go buy a stingray, take off the trigger frame, pull back the cocking mech, and watch just how fast it fires [and this is with the gas attached, since all your arguments are quite dim-witted :P])...and to really blow your noodle: That precious Angel of yours? It's a blowback :laugh:.

On the topic of loading: If you need to fire anything past a 3 round burst at 6 bps, then you need to look into getting some skill...I'm sure if you payed enough you could buy some from the proshop :rolleyes:.

[PBfreak01]

Originally posted by Hellrunner
You cannot short stroke an electro. Once the switch is hit it completes the cycle for you. You also cannot short stroke a mechanical blowback. The sear goes on the pull, and then automatically pulls it back up with a spring. I'm pretty sure the only thing you can short stroke (or will ever short stroke, if im wrong) will be a mechanical cocker. Not familiar with that many other mechanical guns thought so I'm not sure if other guns will short stroke.

Correct me if I'm wrong, I'm not an expert on the issue.

*sigh* I wanted my blistering post to be at the bottom, but oh well.

ANYTHING can short stroke...an electro misfires, either from some bad connection or from a low battery, a blowback (though this is rare--verging on immpossible now-a-days) will have the sear catch the striker/bolt before the valve closes...You can imagine what happens next. As for Pnuemies...Those are the real pains...improper timing cause the bolt to open before the valve closes with a messy result.

[Hellrunner]

Sorry to be nitpicky, but angels are electro pnumatic, not a blowback. ;)

Those things you said about electros are not short stroking, they're improper matenence. If your sear doesn't catch because of a low battery its not because you didn't complete the full trigger cycle. If your electro pnumatic blows itself to hell (or whatever really happens, which is probably not that bad ;) ) because the dwell and such are set wrong its not because you didn't complete the cycle.

The autococker is one of the only guns that has actions through the whole trigger cycle. On the pull the bolt goes forward and the valve opens to launch the ball. If you hold the trigger than the bolt and valve stay there just leaking air, other guns don't do that. On the release the bolt comes back and the valve closes. Other guns if you hold the trigger it completes the cycle and if you don't pull far enough it doesn't shoot.

Not an expert on autocockers so if my tech is wrong, someone who own a cocker tell me. I know thats not all that happens with the trigger cycle, but that was all that was important (I think) to this debate.

Disclamer: All of the above was meant in good nature :goody: , I did not mean to personally attack you or your knowledge, I just meant to tell you what I know. Please laugh at my mistakes ;).

[PBfreak01]

Okay, I will laugh :laugh:

See, I did it :D

Anyway, short stroking really is, in terms of projectile launchers, an incomplete firing cycle...It happens with anything...you pull the trigger back just enough to fire, but not all the way, and the sear doesn't catch like it is supposed to, and the valve stays open.

That, in essence, is how a blowback short strokes...

And since, very inconveniently, all electros are built from either a blowback or pnuematic marker, they are both capable of short stroking, though it is more difficult.