CO2 use & Black Dragun E-2

[Kreno]

Does the E-2 use CO2? Or is it one of those guns that require N2?

Also, what type of expansion chamber would I have to get? I'm not a newb, and I've shot a lot of guns, but I've never owned my own. Are most expansion chambers just a standard type or do they have specific threading for different types of guns?

[Shmoo]

I just got the pie2 and yes- you do need nitro. youll need it on anything over 9 bps. Also


I need a good cheap cradle for the pie2. One that does not have a welded on asa. ( I dont want to getrid of the reg)

[weefek]

actually, no you dont need nitro. it will run better on nitro but you can shoot just as fast with co2.

[Dragun_Owner]

Fleeg is exactly right. The e-2 shoots fine. Nitro is an upgrade not a necessity. It will make the gun shoot more consistant when you fire fast. In my opinion the gun shoots just great with co2. So if you have the money for nitro and somewhere to fill it up, go for it.

[Kreno]

OH THANK YOU! That's what I wanted to hear :D

thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you

Cheap CO2 tanks here I come lol :crazy:

[Shmoo]

I disagree-- look, when evr you fire more than 9bps with co2, the gun freezes up. I had an extra and when I fired fast, the gun would freeze. Nitrogen is more consistent and it does not freeze. If you have the black dragun and want to utilize its fast rate of fire, yu will need nitro.

And I need a drop foward- any suggestions

[Furious pb]

Shmoo, I'm gettin a drop for mine too, I think the Drag take spyder parts. personally, I'm gettin a custom drop though.

[weefek]

Dude, I use Co2 I shoot like 13 bps average.

[Shmoo]

umm-- no.


When you are using CO2, you are actually carrying a tank that is filled with CO2 in the liquid state. The liquid must expand in order to "charge" your gun. This conversion from liquid to gas requires a great deal of thermal energy and causes the tank to get colder. The colder the tank gets the less pressure that it can deliver. When the tank temperature is 70 degrees, liquid CO2 produces 850psi. At 50 degrees you are only getting about 600psi (any colder it it will be barely enough to recock your gun). What does this mean to you? The faster you pull the trigger on your CO2 powered gun the more the liquid expands into a gas, the more this happens, the more the temperature in the bottle drops. Most players don't care about the temperature of their air source, but they do care about performance. If the liquid CO2 does not expand fast enough, your gun will suck up the liquid in the bottle and at best the gun will most likely cease to function for 15 minutes. The internal seals will be swollen from the freezing cold liquid CO2 and your internal seals can be ruined. Is your gun affected? Most likely. If your gun has ever sputtered, made that annoying full auto sound, or if your velocity starts to drop off as you hammer on the trigger, you have seen the disadvantages of CO2.

You CAN NOT fire 13bps with co2-- just not possible.

[Kreno]

I don't intend to shoot upwards of 13bps anyway.... LOL... Maybe small stints in which I get really pissed, but anyway... I know I saw that same paragraph somewhere else... I know you're trying to get a point across though. I will probably use CO2, but be conservative in the shots until I can afford an N2 tank.

[Silencer.1]

The fact is, technically you can average 13+bps on co2. You just can't fire strings at that speed. A snap shot for me averages 10-11bps (being a front player, I rarely shoot any sort of string). Therefore, I can truefully tell you that I average 10.5 bps. Since the snaps rarely result in more than 4 shots at a time, the tank rarely gets cold enough to notice a significant drop off. No back player in their right would even consider co2 for any gun. Nitro is a must for a back player, and optional for mid to front players.

[Shmoo]

Agreed, agreed. And yea, I got the paragraph off of paintballgear.com section on nitrogen

[weefek]

You say it isn't possible - I know it is. Because I've done it. I do it all the time. I know how Co2 works thank you. Instead of theorizing, maybe you should come use my gun for a day, then tell me what you think. If you don't believe me, I don't really care.

[starboarder2001]

I have two questions:

1.what is the diffrence between a m3 black dragun and a pbi black dragun?

2. is the pbi E-2 black dragun fully automatic?

[Shmoo]

1. I am not sure what the pbi black dragun is-

2. The pie2 is not full auto- although it has programble rate of fire to keep up with your hopper, shot counter, clock, ect. and a mouseclick trigger

3. GET THE PIE2 YOU WILL NEVER REGRET IT! NEVER!

[starboarder2001]

i think pbi and pi are the same company. I found a place were u can buy the pi E-2 black dragun for $212.00 and a pi E-1 black dragun for $169.00.

Is the lcd screen on the pi E-2 black dragun durable?
I live 2 hours away from a shop so I want a gun that is pretty reliable. Is the black dragun a reliable gun?

Does the pi E-1's frame runs on a single 9 volt battery and deliver over 20,000 shots per battery?

[Shmoo]

Buy the pie2-- So far- no lcd problems. Worksfien. But i you need support, the guys at pb inc are great- they will take your gun in and repair it for free

[rebeljay]

besides $50, what is the difference between the black dragun's LCD frame and the LED frame? i can't find much information about it anywhere!

[Silencer.1]

The E-1 has semi-auto only, the E-2 and M3 have multiple modes.

[weefek]

silencer, did you get a lower pressure with the stock parts or did you get a new reg, valve, etc? because i have no idea in hell how to adjust the reg / inline pressure and my pressure is WAY too high (the bolt hits the balls so hard sometimes the balls with dimples break).

[Silencer.1]

The stock reg let me get down that far. It stops at 550-575, which kinda sucks. I just turned it down (the 3mm set screw just behind the gauge) and installed the lightest valve and hammer springs in the 32* spring kit and it works like a charm. With the current setup, there is almost no kick to it and it's very quiet thanks to the barrel. I can still hear the bolt clank though and that's the loudest part of all the noise. I plan on replacing it with a swan creek n-bolt as soon as money allows. It'll eliminate the noise and produce even less kick. A turbo valve would be good too and let me drop the pressure even lower, but it works perfectly right now. catch me on aim @ nukesunlimited if you want to talk more.

BTW, I feel kinda bad for taking your original avatar. I'm trying to get a pic of my current gun to change it.

[starboarder2001]

i have decided to get a m3 black dragun for $220 that is full auto too. I have a few questions that i have yet to find answeres to. Is m3 a company or a type of black dragun and who makes the m3 black dragun if so does pi make the m3 black dragun?

1. who made the first black dragun?
2. does the m3 black dragun have adjustable rate of fire?
3. how many shots per second will the m3 black dragun shoot?

[weefek]

Silencer, thanks, I did that it runs at about 600-640psi for me now. I'm going to get a tornado valve and a low pressure chamber to further bring it down. also hopefully a delrin bolt soon!

StarBoarder:

1. M3 made the first black dragun, they made all of them, but paintball inc just sold it. kind of like with computer games, one company actually makes the game, then another company (such as Activision) sells it.

2. Not sure, but i think so

3. With lower pressure, 12v revvy w/xboard you should be able to run about 11-13 bps

[starboarder2001]

Should i get a m3 Black Dragun full function or a Pi E-2 Black Dragun. it is a realy hard choice to make. right know i am leaning toward the m3 black dragun full function because it is fully automatic but it is still a hard choice because the e-2 shoots 20bps and has adjustable rate of fire.

[PaintballerX]

What's the point of full-auto? No organized fields or tourneys allow it...

[weefek]

i know, fully auto sucks.

[Nickers]

Best place to get a Black Dragun? And how much do they run?

[starboarder2001]

I heard that the black dragun leaks and has chip malfunctions. Is that true? If it leaks is it a o-ring that i can replace that is leaking? If it has a chip malfunction how much do chips for the m3 full funcion black dragun cost?

[young_gun]

who cares if the gun can shoot 20bps you wont find a hopper that can load 20 bps for under 200 bucks. plus you will waste to much paint. it doesnt sound like you have a sponsor to go around shooting that much

[weefek]

it doesn't shoot 20. it shoot 13-14