Third Party Trading!

[Killer Kat]

Since I've been given the privilege of moderating this forum. I thought how can we make all transactions as pleasant an experiences for both the buyer and the seller as possible. Well I think I've found the solution. It's called a third party trade. Here's how it works.

Let's say Johnny wants to sell Billy his Autococker, So Johnny sends his cocker to Mr Smith (a local paintball shop owner) Mr Smith looks over Johnny's cocker and tells Billy, Yes it's worth the X number of dollars that Johnny wants. Billy would then pay the total shipping (from Johnny's to Mr Smith's to Billy's) as well as Johnny asking price. Mr Smith doesn't ship Billy the gun until after Johnny gets his money.

If the Autococker is junk or no good, Johnny pays for shipping to and from Mr Smith's shop.
A small service fee should be paid to Mr Smith for his part in this transaction.
This way nobody gets burned, I've used this method myself with great results.

I will check with the moderator of some of the other regional forums and see if they will help supply us with names of shops from each state that would be willing to work with us establishing such a system.

Let me know if this is something you guys would be interested in?

[i like tictacs]

sounds nice, it looks like people wont get ripped as much anymore if we use this system.

[h0p]

w00t! Thank you for that idea. I can get you Ohio paintball store names addys and what not if you want. I likes your idea Kat!

[BunkerYou69]

that sounds like a great idea....but theres only way one to find out if its gonna work so try it. i think its a great idea!:idea:

[68magclassic]

SOUNDS GREAT KAT

[chinqlinq89]

Yea thats a good idea. I was gonna buy something a gun from someone here, but I couldnt trust them because this site isnt for selling paintball equipment so iy isnt as safe here. But yea that would be a great idea.

[tonysk83]

it seems like a lot of work:blah:

[^Psycho^Skillz^]

I believe Palmer's does that currently, not positive tho, too lazy to check :)

[sk8r99895]

yah but what if billy happens to know the third party and gives him 20 to rip sender off??
i know this is probably extremely rare, but just was trying to let you weigh all your options
overall great idea!

[DeAd-EyE]

excellent idea Kat.
If u need a 3rd party store in toronto, i can help u cut a deal with sgt.splatters so that we canucks can benifit from this as well.

[wwhooper]

and wht if Mr Smith takes both guns (if it's trade)

[DeAd-EyE]

then we kill him

[Mcot]

the best way to do this is through palmers. I belive it is 20$ or 35$. Bu they not only make the trade, the test the stuff out too. And they are very reputable.

[Simpsonator]

Hey dead eye. You go to Splatters a lot. I go there all the time!
Go Canada!!

[abec-5]

thats how i got my evolutionX :agree:... payed 800 for it in perfect condition woot even got that spiffy cover that no one uses... and neither do i.. but oh well its spiffy anyways. So the moral of this story is.... 3rd party = good : drugs= bad : the agree smiley = :agree: awsome

[Vaypourus]

KK-

You and I have discussed this before, and after getting royally screwed on a barrel, I think this option could really benefit alot of people. Given that many of the members here are in their early to late teens, I could see how it would be quite easy to take advantage or be taken advantage of (whether it is intentional or not). I also know that many of the users here cannot afford to loose money on a sour deal.

If there is anything that I can do in the upstate area, let me know.

[xXhappyAznXx]

will the moderators do it for money

everyone actually trust you guys;)

[Killer Kat]

Do you have a little sister? j/k :laugh: I'm old enough to be most of you guys father! :| That's always a possibility xXhappyAznXx ( I mean a few of the moderators becoming third party dealers! NOT me being your father!!!) We are still looking into what needs to be covered to make it work best for the 3 parties involved. So this isn't or hasn't been forgotten, We're still figuring out all the angles to make it right.

[wwhooper]

Having this 3rd party would have been nice when we tryed to buy a marker on these forums. We actually almost got screwed. But when he refused to send us a tracking number we used a special google hack to find his phone # and called his mommy :finger:! he still stuck to his story about having shipped it a week before, but said "he would get the tracking number tomorrrrow" and it turned out he hadn't shipped it until the day after we called!

[abracadabra1]

buying C&C angel...where can I find palmer to do the third party bit for me?

THanks!

[SpeedMuffin]

Sounds like a plan. Except I'd be kinda worried about paintball shop owners who just like screwing people over. The shop owners in my town are like that and they'd also want a huge sum of money for the information they gave you. But other than that, your idea sounds really good.

[automagsrule]

I can hook you up for a proshop in washington (Splat Attack) they are very reputable around hereand by the prices on their stuff, they wouldn't ask for much money either.

[sniper14]

Originally posted by SpeedMuffin
Sounds like a plan. Except I'd be kinda worried about paintball shop owners who just like screwing people over. The shop owners in my town are like that and they'd also want a huge sum of money for the information they gave you. But other than that, your idea sounds really good.

yea that is what the paintball shop is like in my town, they over price everything, if your gun has a leak in the valve and u cant get to it so u bring it in to them, it could be a cracked o ring and they will charge $50 or $60 just for the friggen o ring.

[DagNasty]

KK-

from a legal standpoint, this idea could be a nightmare. There would have to be explicit rules in place releasing the third party from liability so the third party doesn't get royally screwed and to avoid paying unecessary legal fees. I could go into detail and there's other considerations I'd make as well but I'm short on time and you guys would get bored reading about them. I think I still have some of the contract and implied risk work we did for a marine sales escrow organization a few years back. It wouldn't take much more than changing the wording around to release the third party from most of the liability issues.

Anyhow, I've been screwed over on eBay recentely and will never trade through them again. So to finally get to the point, I think it's a good idea based on my recent experiences.

[Killer Kat]

Hey If we find the right shops, we will be in good shape!

[punkerx1]

sounds cool......but......wut if there is no proshop in yer town?:(

[paintballking]

i like the idea it rocks!!!

[Butter Knife]

I think using Palmer's is a great idea, since it is relatively cheap and it seems trustworthy. I mean, who heer doesn't trust Palmer?

[Turambar]

It's a good idea..you just got to have a good 3rd party that won't try to rip you off :D

I'm gonna probably need to do this soon as I am in the process of negotiating a trade.

[shinsengumi]

3rd party trading is a good way to get rid of all of those crooks out there.. ive found a couple of people who wanted to make trades then back out when i mention 3rd party trading

[skidmark414]

Sounds great. I'd rather pay extra shipping then lose hundreds of dollars. Good idea. I hope it works, and I'll help if you need me to.

[Team Flashfire]

Adrenaline (Buypb.com, specifically) now offers a third-party trading service. Check it out here if you are interested: http://www.buypb.com/3rdparty.asp.

[RoninWarrior]

You know what would even be safer is to use say Escrow. zIt is a company that does just that. Really safe I have used it once.:D

[snyper]

Wouldn't it be easier to have a single dealer, like palmers, provide the service instead a web of dealers? Lets say Mr. Smith does a good job, but goes on vacating for a week and some kid (Mike) runs the shop for that week, and doesen't know much about paintball gear:eek:

[UTLadiesMan]

Originally posted by snyper
Wouldn't it be easier to have a single dealer, like palmers, provide the service instead a web of dealers? Lets say Mr. Smith does a good job, but goes on vacating for a week and some kid (Mike) runs the shop for that week, and doesen't know much about paintball gear:eek:

The point is to get a shop near someone so you can save on shipping. Not to mention, not everyone may like one particular place. Ah, capitalism.

[snyper]

I just wish everyone would be honest

[CoolHand]

Ah, honesty from everyone.

That would rule.

Until then, we are also offering a third party service.

Ten bucks a man, and the shipping (actual shipping, not $25 per marker.) is the cost.

We ship FedEx insured, so you know your stuff will get to you undamaged, and we test everything before it goes out the door.

For more info on this service, go here. (http://www.logicpaintball.com/new.html)

Also, for a real person testimonial, talk to willybob from this forum. He is the latest person to use the Logic Third Party Trade service.

His marker was damaged by the apes at UPS, so I fixed it, and worked out the deal with the other trader. It all worked out nicely, as I am sure he will tell you.

Just letting you guys know of another option that is open to you.

[3draco3]

It really sounds like a good idea. YET. there are a great deal of things that can go wrong with it. and it seems like a lot of work. I think it would be great for Markers, but anything else seems like to much work for. And as long as we can get some Dealers in each state or smaller area that will be kinda dedicated to this. It really sounds like a good idea. I really hope it works out well. and i look forward to using it for my future markers!

[paitballboy455]

i live in oklahoma could you see if bigshot paintball(i got my marker there)or all american paintball would do that there in oklahoma here are the links

bigshot paintball (http://bigshot43.tripod.com/)
all american paintball (http://www.allamericanpb.com/index.asp)

Thanks,
Erik

[paitballboy455]

i found a web site that dose it for 15$ and for a extra 5$ they test fire
http://www.ottersccustoms.com/prices.html
its in the subject middle man

[trickflip]

I think it is a good idea. It will definetly impact the security of transactions/trades/ and such among users but I think that it has to be an optional service. ( I am not sure whether or not that was implied or not). Due to extra costs and such the descision should be left up to the buyer/seller. Also, you have to organize shops from many different areas and have them be willing to participate. It would not be a good if Billy wanted to ship something to Johny from Conneticut to New York but first send it to Mr. Smith's shop in California (an obvious exegaration but I think you get my point). Overall, not a bad idea but would require the commitment of someone to really get it going as well as participation froms users and third party groups/stores.

[Killer Kat]

Regional dealings require a few "tweaks" but still save people from getting totally burned.

[coyote]

We do this service.

www.electriciguanapaintball.com


The basic service is simple. We recieve the goods, and the trade or payment. We verify they are what the parties claim, and send them on. For the premium service we tear them down and function test them.

[_ex0dus_]

I wuv you guys... :love:

[Six Feet Under]

Originally posted by abracadabra1
buying C&C angel...where can I find palmer to do the third party bit for me?

THanks!

U traded a C&C angel for whats in ur sig? LOL

[acidbzero]

Animal paintball has a 3rd party department now.

http://animalpaintball.com/3rdparty.htm

[Relentless]

sounds like a great idea, and i think that if you got a couple places (like 6 across us and canada, that would probably cover it....) then it would be a great system......

and i think that if it wasnt mandatory, only optional, it would be great...... or just have a sticky on the buy/sell forums of the escrow companies, and how toship to them......

although, i dont think i would really like paying 20-30$ more on a 50$ barrel, but for markers and tanks and stuff, it sounds excellent :cool: :D

[Forest Spyder]

I'd be glad to do a 3rd party service for anyone on the boards. I'd like to keep it inside PA for one of the customers, so I can hand-deliver as of right now.

[FireViper]

So whatever became of this idea? I'm currently going through a situation that would be resolved by 3rd party system not costing me an arm and a leg.

My idea would be have a network of select stores/mods/agents/ trusted members who charge a nomial fee for this service ($10-20 {plus preferred shipping ie 3day express for the gun and priority mail for the money} sounds like a good amount considering the large amount of trades/sells that go through pbreview and the ease of testing a gun). I say a netwrok because this way you can either find one close to you on in between you and the other guy. Now these stores/people wouldn't be just anyone. they'd have to be people who's reputation/honor is worth more to them than a nice gun or lots of money. They'd have to meet some list of qualifications (have a good rep, contacts, availabilty, they love their mama) and be approved by lets say the sr. mods or the admin here.

If I wrote all this for nothing perhaps a list (or a website with the list) of should be sitckied to this and maybe the general forums.

[teufelhunden]

Hey guys, just thought I'd offer up www.*******.com . It's a dedicated third party trading service run by your beloved Calebd2 and I. At the website we have plenty of references [feedback threads, etc.] and it only takes a minute of looking around on PBR to check out our knowledge base. Caleb and I have split the third party duties based upon our areas of expertise, so don't worry for a second about the treatment/lookover that your guns and gear will get.. only the best!

[rcxpaintball]

We do a third party system as well (only we call it by its real name...escrow)

We charge 10%(plus S&H) of the overall total price or if it is a marker to marker trade we establish a price before hand. We do a full marker/gear inspection to make sure everything is just as described.

Contact me for any extra info and for field name/address/phone number...

[Spyderlover120]

I would like to offer up my services as a third party services guy

i can inspect most low end markers and a few mid end for porblems.

i will charge $7 for just the third party stuff and $3 for test firing (very competitive to RCX's prices sorry rcx, but u never gave me that a-bomb )

pm me for more details

[St. Spyder]

There is a paintball shop in california that might do it for cheap. they have good service and often will check peoples guns if there is a problem and fix it for free. Its in Modesto and they are great.

[PaintballNewb13]

these guys do it, or atleast the st.peters store does, for those of you around st. louis.

http://wackywarriors.com/locations.php

[PaintballNewb13]

can I get a list of some mods that do third party trading? thanks.