1 CASE ONE KILL!!! YOU LOSE SUCKER!!

[elTwitcho]

Well the title is sorta not what I'm gettin at with this thread but it's late, and I'm just so excited to post my "revelation" of sorts. Ok here we go (I came up with this while involving myself with flaming someone at PBC, it's nice to be able to flame :) ).

Ok, alot of people are gonna argue that electros are just spray and pray for a kill. You dont have to aim, and there's no skill in that. They'll tell you that you should only need 1 shot for a kill. They'll tell you a paintball is accurate enough that you should be able to do this. Well it just occurred to me that this argument is impossible to support. It becomes wrong for one of two reasons

IF a paintball were 100 percent accurate, and a paintball would always go where you shot it, the whole spray and pray thing would be wrong, and you cant ague that electro people get kills through spray and pray. If all paintballs were 100 accurate, and you didnt aim, just shoot fast, well then you'd just miss in the exact same spot would you not? If you agree that spray and pray works, and takes no skill, then you agree that paintball shot groupings spread out at a distance, and people are getting kills by the random spread of the shot grouping. Thus, you agree that paintballs are NOT 100% accurate.

By agreeing that spray and pray works, and that paintballs are not 100% accurate, then you also agree that it is impossible to use "awesome aim" to get a 1 shot kill. Think about it, the argument is totally impossible to support, and it's a stupid one.

That said, you either have to agree that electro users must aim there guns, or you must agree that you cant get an elimination with 1 shot, and an electro would present a sure advantage, and you cant "get by using just a pump". Sorry whiners, but looks like you lose.

IN YOUR FACE SPACE COYOTE!!!

[Richy_C]

lol thas funny, but i've said that before, but the readers digest version :)

[Skull]

Actually it's very possible.... c by talking about the shot grouping u completely killed u'r idea. Say u have a scope, which most people believing in the one shot one kill thing do. U aim dead center into a guy, even with spread shot grouping of a 8 in. or so (which most peeps with aftermarket barrels have) u'd still hit the guy with that one shot. So i think theres alot more to the one shot one kill thing then u think.

[UNTOUCHABLE]

i think im seeing double

[Skull]

wooo don't know how that happened but i deleted it....

[elTwitcho]

Then you didnt read the post. If the ball is only gonna spread that much, and you can hit what you aim at with one shot, then spray and pray wouldnt work because you'd end up missing in the exact same spot, and electros would still require aim. See

[Intruder]

who cares, people have different styles, live with it, you can't change them so why try?

[TrOy]

I am pretty sure I understand what you mean but you are relying on the fact that each shot is aimed in the same manner. If that were true you are/would be totally correct! but the problem comes from the, I guess you would say, the amout of aiming that is done. Knowing you have one shot you take more time to aim, wereas with an electro you are going to start pulling the trigger while you are in the process of aiming. More of a supression. Myself bieng a pump player (for the most part) I have found that at least the first shot from a semi player is not really a threat, I consider it more of a warning, its the next few that would be the dangerous ones. On the other hand the first shot out of my pump is absolutely more dangerous then the following ones because hideing and evasion comes into play with the slower ROF.
Get some sleep...

[PBSouLjAh]

man...... why must u guys argue about this. i know dat even tho i get an electro...im definetely goin to aim. i dont know too many people dat just start to spray and pray. 99% of da people i know dat have electros.....they actually take a couple seconds to aim, and then shoot. not even spray. i like electros cuz u can rip of shoots faster. saying dat an electro shoots at 14bps doesnt mean that they will shoot 14 balls everytime they touch the trigger. this is a true fact:because paintballs are not perfectly accurate, electros have a better chance of hitting the person because more balls are shot, with each one having a chance of hitting the person. i think when someone says that people with electros just spray and pray, dats just a stupid opinion. of course with pumps, i think it takes the same amount of skill. because electros are fast, other people have to be quick, and etc. but pump players, require a different kind of strategy. because they are limited to single shots, they need ot try to get in closer, take more time to aim, and different tactics(not anymore skill) than electros.

so everyone stop fighting. and i partially agree with el twitcho first post.

[The Billionare]

I just shoot my gun in the general derection because a paintball is not 100% accurate. If it was, there would be no such thing called, spray and pray or pay for that matter. Most of the time snipers can't hit a damn thing first shot regardless of their testamoney and spend the entire game waisting ammo. The same can be said for us who empty hoppers at one guy for one elimination. One just enjoys the game differently then the other. Right, Incube?

I mean not to insult snipers, I like to do it too sometimes, but no paintball or paintgun is accurate enough or shoots far enough to be an affective sniper rifle. And everything twitch said is accurate.

[Phaelon Veritas]

hell I don't care about the one shot one kill...but I will say I think electros are great as a matter of fact I want to get one.... and yes at time it does present a certain advantage over other semis but WTF GET REAL quit whining I know and you know they have High ROF but is any of you could take any gun you wanted to to a tournament 90% would Go wish a bushmaster angel intimidator or shocker. That being said , I know I am not the only one who has looked at someone elses gun in envy right? so the real matter here is why mock someone for using an electro if we want one as well and as well as pumpers go yeah great you bought a pump you play with a 10 round tube feeder and 12gram c02 cartridges WOO HOO! I am glad you find enjoyment is the skill of sharp shooting. I feel I get more enjoyment out of running around spraying paint all over the DAMNED place and like playing that way I shoot on average 600 - 1000 rounds a day when go ballin who cares?!?!?! My point being I don't play paintball as a job I play it as a sport and the if I have fun what do I care if joe pumper is shaking his head at me.... Weather I have used a spyder pirahna cocker or rebel I sill crank em out and I like it that way... and those of you that argue oh you're a real good player wasteful b@stard you're right if that what you call it but lemme ask you one question why are you concerned with my skill level or the way i spend my money? are you in love with me or do you have a complex which tends to find faults in other to make yourself feel better about your own inadequacies..... :) Man I am in a peachy mood !

[simon woodstock]

ok troy you said balls group in an 8inch groups right? but thats not 8inches from where you aimed, you're gun will not be accurate but it will be fairly the same each time. if i put a laser on a tree 50 feet away the balls would land probly more than 2 feet away from the dot on the tree. and unless you're real lucky not many people will stick out more than 2 feet of their body out of a bunker to shoot. so even though the balls go in the same place, its not exactly where you aimed. the best thing you can do it walk your balls to the target, aim off the just shot ball.

[The Billionare]

Originally posted by simon woodstock
ok troy you said balls group in an 8inch groups right? but thats not 8inches from where you aimed, you're gun will not be accurate but it will be fairly the same each time. if i put a laser on a tree 50 feet away the balls would land probly more than 2 feet away from the dot on the tree. and unless you're real lucky not many people will stick out more than 2 feet of their body out of a bunker to shoot. so even though the balls go in the same place, its not exactly where you aimed. the best thing you can do it walk your balls to the target, aim off the just shot ball.

That's exactly what I do. I watch the last ball fly and adjust accordingly. Sights on a paintball gun are as useless as screen doors on submarines. Most of the time. It's like simon says(hehe) the ball may go to the same spot, but it's not exactly where you were aiming. Sniping is fun, but it would be more fun if they had a gun specifically designed for it and could do it well. And I also agree that if you want to call me a waist, go ahead. I like to pump out the rounds. 250-300 a game depending on the length and scenerio. Not all at one guy, and surely not at his nuts, simon, I just like to have good battles that usually take a while. I move around alot, but I haven't mastered the art of shooting angles yet, so I wait for my opponent to make mistakes. All the while under heavy fire from my side. A mistake is costly for anyone in a situation like that. I have cought people off gaurd though and will give them a volley of about five or six. I don't like shooting one at a time. And I want an e-lcd so bad I can taste it!

[TrOy]

I have nothing aginst electro's at all! Play as you may But it is because of the "Walk the paint in" mentality that makes the electro's first shots impotent! I said nothing about grouping so I have no idea what that was about but what I did say that people who play with a pump dont use the walk the paint to the target, or spray and pray because if they did they would be annilated! If you play pump you have to wait your shot, take time with it, craft it if you will because you are prolly only going to get one! Personally as a sometimes pump player I have had over 200 rounds shot at me from one person and I took him out with less then 6!
I am not here to say which is better, except in the cases that electro's or even semi's hit a person more then 2 times! THat is not control that is stupid and dangerous! But I digress this is for a differnnt thread!
Good day!

[The Billionare]

I don't think it's dangerous. I had a guy shoot 8-10 shots at my head while retreating from an unsafe bunker. I was flanked on both sides after three other teams mates were eliminated. I had nowhere to go. He was shooting a tl+, I saw his gun clearly and from about twenty yards he lit me up. Didn't bother me though, except a shot in the neck kinda gave me a scare for a second so I bought a neck protector. It was fun, I enjoyed it. I learned a lesson that day. Your faith in your friends can sometimes be a weakness. And when there are that many people on your a$$, don't retreat tactically, just scram. As fast as you can run, like Monty Python, RUN AWAY!