sp 20" tac or flatline

[woodballjoe]

ive already got the tac, but i was wondering whether i made a good choice. im a hardcore woodballer and dont care about gun size or weight.

[Coenen]

Didn't you already ask this?

It's too late now, but you made a bad, bad, mistake. Enjoy.

[..!..('_')..!..]

Wait... A Tac-5... You cant put a Flatline on a JT... Wow... If you bought a 20" on a Tac-5, Thats two strikes right there... Might as well put a 4x32 Scope on it and Wrap yourself in a Ghille suit... :dodgy:

[trophyman582]

It's too late now, but you made a bad, bad, mistake. Enjoy.

[woodballjoe]

no, a sp tac barrel

[ycfan456]

20" = waste
A-5 flatline is decent, 98 ones suck
should gone with a J&J or something

[J-man the great]

you should sell your 20" and get some shorter barrel or if you want a flatline get an apex instead. Im gonna be the first to say that the 20" barrel doesnt add anything a 16" barrel would.

[synkronics]

you should sell your 20" and get some shorter barrel or if you want a flatline get an apex instead. Im gonna be the first to say that the 20" barrel doesnt add anything a 16" barrel would except more co2 or air used to push the ball out at the same speed.

thats better

[J-man the great]

^^^yeah...

[woodballjoe]

you should sell your 20" and get some shorter barrel or if you want a flatline get an apex instead. Im gonna be the first to say that the 20" barrel doesnt add anything a 16" barrel would.

this 20 in is rifled contributing greatly to accuracy

[trophyman582]

Rifling does nothing.

[woodballjoe]

rifling does nothing, tell that to the 3 in. groups i shoot from 30 yards away

[Raleigh Allen]

The 20" is a gas hog, plus it's not accurate at all. Sell it and buy you a good JJ Ceramic S2 or Custom Products 1 Piece.

[woodballjoe]

well, if you read the original post, youd understand, ive got the barrel. i know how accurate it is. trust me, i shoot real guns too. this barrel is as close as you can get.

and about the gas hog remark, ive got 7 9ozs. and 3 12s. gas is the least of my worries.

[Cpt. Morgan]

well, if you read the original post, youd understand, ive got the barrel. i know how accurate it is. trust me, i shoot real guns too. this barrel is as close as you can get.

Unless you live in a world where the same physical principals of rifling a barrel effect both bullets and paintballs the to the same affect you are on drugs.

[ycfan456]

this 20 in is rifled contributing greatly to accuracy
The rifling is good and it does help, but the 20" is just a waste. Should have gone with a 12"-14". I love my Hammerhead.

[jaketothemax]

rifling really does nothing.
rifling does make the shell spin however the liquid inside of the paintball does not. this creates friction on the shell and quickly stops the spinning. its like spinning an egg. rifling may work at a distance of a few feet.

even if you could spin a paintball, i doubt it would have the same aerodynamic effect that it has on a bullet.

[woodballjoe]

ok, well, wutever you say. the 3in. groups at 30 yards dont lie. the rifling is progressive. which means the spin get tighter as you go down the barrel. this, my friends, gives the paint itself time to gradually start the spin with the shell. thus dropping your precious friction slowing the shell down theory.

[jaketothemax]

i suppose that is logical (especially if it has 20 inches to get to speed).
but did you post to find out if you should buy a flatline or to defend the barrel you have?

even if the rifling does work, it would only give you a similar effect with a longer barrel (but may look cooler)

i guess my answer to your initial question would be not to get a flatline. if you didnt already have the 20" i would say flatline but why spend more money if you are convinced your barrell is accurate and effective?

[trophyman582]

Tom Kaye has proven that rifling does absolutely nothing in regards to paintball. Your supposed "3in groupings" are nothing to me without photos.

[Coenen]

Tom Kaye is, in fact, the man.

Rifling is only truly effective when used in conjunction with a SOLID and CONICAL projectile. Since a paintball is neither of those things the effect of rifling with regards to a paintball can be described is minimal at best and in some cases even detrimental.

No matter how gradual the rifling, the paint will remain a liquid and will remain stationary while the spin is imparted mostly on the shell of the paintball. If that is the story that Smart Parts has given for the barrel's performance I would submit this; a great many of SP's claims with regards to the effects of their different "innovations" on barrels have been found to be patently false. Spiral porting and its effect on in barrel turbulence for instance.

I suspect that the reason you are seeing superior performance is linked strongly to the size of the paint in relation to the bore size of the barrel and the velocity at which said paint is being fired. Those are hugely important factors in the accurate firing of a paintball, if you have unknowingly put both of them to work for you, you will see an improvement regardless.

30yds = 90 feet, having shot some of the finest markers in the world, none of them could be counted on to be so accurate or even maintain a flat trajectory at that distance when being fired at a safe velocity.

In conclusion, you've been had by a combination of clever marketing and the well placed notion that you would, through no fault of your own, erroneously connect the physics of actual fire arms with those of paintball markers. That's hard and fast truth of it. Sorry.

[woodballjoe]

no, its probably not the paint. ive done the same thing with several brands of paint, the variations are nothing big enough to write home about. every time i chrono the gun on a full co2, it is shooting 280fps.

[trophyman582]

The rifling on the barrel does nothing. So just drop it, mmkay?

[Ghost-C98]

Woodballjoe...i just had to add that you asked these people for their opinions on what you did, they gave them to you and your getting mad, if you didnt want them to tell you what they think then dont ask. And i've never tried a 20" barrel i've seen them...doesnt that get in the way when your moving around it the bush...i imagine it would..and the 98C flatline blows la gonda(it sux)

[woodballjoe]

well, im not gettin mad. im gettin frustrated because if you read the thread title, youd understand that i only want a debate between two barrels. the problem is, that people are tellin me to get a j&j and all this other stuff.

and about the barrel gettin in the way. it doesnt because of the way i hold the gun while im movin.

[reneirwolf878]

Seems to me like you've already made up your mind that you have made a good choice. If you like your 20" barrel so much why are you thinking of getting a new one?

[ebbs 74]

im not familare with the tac barrel but its probly better then the flatline.. but 20 inch is a waist ,,, i would have gone with an 18 or a 14 inch cuz anything longer then 14 doesent make a diff but i like the look of a long barrel but i still think 20 is to long

[IronCorps]

This thread belongs http://www.pbreview.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=18

Read the stickies.

[Stalker605]

FLATLINE

20'' Is overkill, It will Use More air. and ITS WORTHLESS.

Gas Starts to lose its potential (forgot the word)

Really anything over 14 is worthless In my Opinion.

[ycfan456]

FLATLINE

20'' Is overkill, It will Use More air. and ITS WORTHLESS.

Gas Starts to lose its potential (forgot the word)

Really anything over 14 is worthless In my Opinion.
It is a proven fact that anything over 14" does NOT improve your accuracy the slightest bit. You can get the same accuracy in a 14" that you would get in a 20" and without wasting all that air.

[no_pain_no fun]

It's too late now, but you made a bad, bad, mistake. Enjoy.

[Screwball]

When I first got into paintball, I had a Spyder. The day before my first game, I went out to pick up a barrel. I really just wanted to get rid of the stock barrel, mainly to make my gun look different. I went to the store with the intention to buy a 12 or 14 inch Armson barrel (rifled). Well, they didn't have one, so I picked up a 12 inch Smart Parts All-American (the last six inches had spiraled porting). I go to the shop at the field and look at some of the barrels they had. Of course, they had a 12 inch Armson. So, me being stupid me, I buy it and play with it that day, not even trying the other. I thought I was hot-s*** with it! First, I thought it was the most accurate one ever. Second, since there was only a muzzle break, it was loud as hell! Well, after a while, I got tired of the Spyder and switched over to the Tippmann 98 (I’ll put in some words on that a little later). The Spyder ended up being a loan gun to friends that needed it. Somehow, the Armson barrel grew legs and walked away, so I grabbed the All-American and the stock barrel to let someone borrow. I decided to try out the other barrel. WOW! That barrel was the same length, but was quieter and more accurate than that Armson. So, that day I spend kicking myself in the a**. Just thought that story would go in good for the rifling topic.

Now for the Flatline part. I never could understand why everyone always bad mouths the Flatline, especially for the 98. I got mine when they first came out. After I first got it, I stripped it down and oiled it (like I do with every new gun). Every time I pull it out, I have a very good time without any problems. The gun is accurate enough for me. I don't go for shots that I know I have no chance at making. Other than maintaining the barrel (which I feel that most problems come from not lining it up), I think you need to know what it can and cannot do. Other than the barrel itself, you should have feeding and regulation down with it. I always use a 12volt Revolution with X-board to make sure that I won't have to worry about feeding problems (I also don't use it like a machine gun; I think I may put 10 balls per second at times, but only in short 5-6 shot bursts). Also, my gun's velocity stays within a 6 feet per second range (3 up and 3 down). Maybe that's the reason that mine works out so good, but it mainly comes down to the person's preference.