Impulse or Autococker?? I can't decide!!!

[weefek]

Alright I've been playing paintball for a little over a year and I'm a crazy front man. I have an E-1 Black Dragun and it just dont cut it anymore. I need a new gun. I was almost sure i was getting an impulse but then i started looking at cockers. I just cant decide!!!! the ones im lookin at are the same price so that dont matter. Just plz help me decide which gun. and i normally dont shoot very fast , even though i am a crazy man front guy.

[NSUCK]

well... if it were me... id get either a 2k2 stock or 2k2 mini cocker =)
get the new WGP 3way, hinge trigger, Bizerk (yes this barrel is totally awsome.. i love mine, ric2k, then you will have a cocker customized for a front player....

[Codestar20]

I would get the Impy because it can shoot faster, can't be short stroked, and it runs at a lower pressure. It is also lighted and I feel that it is more manuverable. I think you should shoot both and decide. Some people like cockers, some like electros.

[bob dole]

well, i was pretty much in the same position as you-and i got an impulse. Dont get me wrong-the cocker is an awesome gun-its accurate, fires pretty fast, really upgradeable, and really accurate and long range. But- i went impulse. The impulse is easy to maintain, ultra low pressure, accurate, and REALLY fast firing-plus it runs great off of co2. Keep in mind-both guns are an EXCELLENT choice. I just opted to go impulse for the above reasons (did i mention its easy to maintain?) I guess i was not really in the mood for cocker maintanance and timing (dont get me wrong-its NOT that hard-but i just didnt wanna do it!) but hey, either way, you'll have an awesome gun.

[UTLadiesMan]

Get them both. After 2 months, decide which one you like more, and give me the other.

Really though, go try out a cocker and an impy in the price range your looking at. Don't forget to check out mags and bushies too. Any of them would make a great front marker.

[NSUCK]

Also remember that Cockers are more upgradable and customizable.. later down the line you might want to make a position change and the cocker will be perfect

btw the rof is very nice with the cockers no matter what anyone says.. espically with the new WGP 3 way and a hinge frame.. possibly even shorter than the stock impulse pull

[anchorite]

more upgradeable?
I wouldnt be so sure of that...

impulses can be pimped out very nice.

electros are the future.... no.. they are the present!

get the impy.

check out www.e-paintballoutlet.com

buy an impulse from FOM right now.

[NSUCK]

future how so? (even if so cockers have the electronic upgrade)

with the wgp new 3way and the trigger frames, the pulls are said to be able to go sub 1mm.. which is apperantly shorter than some electros, cockers arnt that heavy either..... i agree that some electros are awsome (i love the timmys) but you cant say that electros are better as a class that non... because its just not true, if you read one of the front polls the concensus is that modded cockers are better tourny guns that angels,

[NSUCK]

go here
http://www.pbreview.com/sympoll/polllist.php3?mypollid=16&vo=1

[anchorite]

cockers are great markers...
but there has to be a reason that 70% of tournament players use angels.
(given... 20% uses cockers... the other 10 use stuff like timmys, mags, bushys, matrices, etc)
timmys are growing in popularity for some reason... I dont see why. ohh well...
good cheap substitutes... just kidding... they are great.

but I believe that the impulse has a better future than a stock cocker does. (my dad's impulse shoots darts... it is fast as my matrix, it is great... love it....... I used to shoot a pimped out 2001 cocker... with wgp hinge, all palmer front block, AKA internals, palmer stabalizer, dye aluminum barrel...... it never really worked the way that my matrix did... my matrix (and my dad's impulse) killed it... so I sold it)

[Killer Kat]

The choice is yours Imps play and cockers get worked on. PERIOD!

[anchorite]

exactly

[KallenP]

Matrix and Impulses are pretty much the same gun and the fact that your cocker didnt perform well is beyond me.(probly the time you put into maintaining it) 70% of tourny players do not use Angels. I would say it is about 50/50 right now and maybe 5% use an Automag or a tippman. Most of the reason pros use Angels is because they are given to them by their sponsors. If some company gave me a free Angel to play with I would use it too. The thing is that electros have rof and Cockers have performance. the rof of an electric marker is high but not that much higher if at all of a cocker. I also dont think that markers can own eachother, if that were true cockers would own every gun because they are more accurate and can shoot just as fast. Just because you own a Matrix or a Impulse dosnt mean that it is an amazing gun. I know how it is though because when you get that gun you feel a need to want to promote that gun because it is yours. If your Autococker was really better then you wouldn't say that because you would feel stupid. All that I am trying to say is that I understand you I have been there. I own alot of guns and the best tourny gun by far is the cocker. Impulses have the vis site eye but other then that they are just like your matrix maybe with a better barrel. I own a tribal and it probably shoots just as well as your impulse. In the end it is the player that counts more then the gun but I think that the Autococker will cary you farther in the long run.

[Killer Kat]

IMPs better! If I truly didn't believe it I wouldn't have bought my second Imp. I've seen just about every cocker owner I know sit out at least one game per day wrenchin' ! I've yet to see any Imp owners have a tenth of the problems cocker owners do! FACT!

[KallenP]

Impulses get worked on by the players with Autocockers.

Impulses do get worked on as well electric guns are a pain in the but. The whole cocker maintenence thing is whay over exaggerated. The truth is I can fix my cocker at my field before the next game starts (if it even needs it!). Autocockers are solid and electric guns have probablems too.

[KallenP]

Have you shot a cocker?
Have you played with one?
Do you own one or had one for a decent period of time?

I have had to fix my Autococker once ever at the field! I dont see people always fixing their cockers either.

[anchorite]

everysingle person I know who shoots a cocker (freeflow, etc) has moved to an electro.

[Codestar20]

As anchorite said earlier...electros are not the future, they are the present. I really like the Impy and I am thinking about buying one if I start to play tourneys regularly. I would like to know why everyone that has a cocker says they are more accurate than any other gun? There is no difference in accuracy between a closed bolt and an open bolt. Also, how fast is the cycle rate of the cocker? I am sure the electro will beat it.

[UTLadiesMan]

I agree with KallenP nearly word for word.

[KallenP]

Well Electros are just rof and I can pull my Cocker as fast as most electronic guns. Autocockers are more accurate because unlike most other markers they put the ball in first and hold it in the barrel so that the pressure is on the ball and is straight down the barrel. Other markers shoot the ball while pushing the ball forward making the ball rattle down the barrel and not get full pressure over the ball resulting in less accuracy. Also everyone I know who has gotten a cocker has an electro too as well as me and they play with the cocker unless they feel like playing front and want the electros for their compact design. Electros are good, but Cockers tear up the field when I or some decent experienced person is behind them. Really it is the player. Why would you buy an impulse over a Shocker? Shockers are more accurate utilizing almost the same grande design as an Autococker. If you look at tourny players Autocockers are the present as well. Electros are hype and obviously you have been caught up in it. What appears to be accuracy in electros is just the rof. so accuracy by valume(waste of paint). Why not an Accurate valume(Not a waste of paint). There is electric everything out there but is it really worth it? Parts preference but part is performance.

[NSUCK]

yepyep.. i really dont see the point in firin an extra 1-3 bps faster... espically with the wgp new 3ways, some cockers are gonna pwn elecrtros
cockers also have the 'lack of kick' and they are not a pain.... granted its a pain when u break a ball, but electros break balls to... ive never had to 'wrentch' my gun.. just squeege a lil and there you go....

[KallenP]

NSUCK is kinda becoming cool:laugh:

[Codestar20]

KallenP- I get what you are saying. Thanks for the explanation. I think it is preference to which is better and I choose electro. I haven't shot a new cocker with the new 3-way. I'll try to see if someone at my field has one when I go.

[Splash]

A teamy has a vision impy and that thing is crazy,,and dont called them guns,,,,cause there not...

[KallenP]

It is wrong to say gun we should all say marker. It is way to easy to say gun but I try not to.

[NSUCK]

bleh... everyone has to be politically correct on this forum... (I know.. i try to cover my self alot[im even doing it now])
I mean, if your on a field 50% of the people call it a gun... Marker Gun same difference.. dosnt hurt anyone saying one or the other.

As weird as this may sound to you 'electro' users, cockers are very durrable as well, i fell today and got dirt JAMMED into my ram, my hopper fell off etc.. just popped it back on fired a few shots and was ready to go.. (granted electros would most likely[politically correct again] be the same.. but the point is, that cockers are NOT fragile)

The only thing bad about the cocker is its reputation, people ARE scared of them... I see lots of posts about people that like the cocker idea but dont want the maitance.. (mait. isnt bad at all... I just clean the outside off, oil it.. maybe squeege it and im done.. takes 3 minutes....) granted short-stroking does suck, you get used to it after awhile and tend to not do it at all... (or just get a swing trigger and not worry at all) People that get electros rather than cockers (they dont want the 'maitance') just assume that there gun is way better BECAUSE its better than there old gun (obviously) and they dont think that it I just the best gun... after that it is very hard to break a person of what they think (first/lasting impressions) so rather than post with first hand knowledge they post on what 'they think they know' (not sayin anything bad about anyone...) granted I dont like the idea of electros, the water factor, the battery/charger etc... (which is the same way with me as it is for the people that got electros first... it works both ways...)
the only advantage I see to an electro over a cocker is the fact that they can have an anti-chop eye or intelli feed... (people with good cockers/good cocker skill dont have to worry about chopping tho...) I also belive that cockers are the most customizable guns out there, you can make em back player guns, front player guns, middle guns etc... as I said before, who actually needs an extra 1-3 BPS / the new 3 way and a good trigger frame will make that 0-0 BPS(yes i said this before...[and btw the new 3ways just came out.. so pple wont have em at a field for a few weeks...]{ahh.. i love the idea of a cocker with sub 1mm pull})

btw.. there have been 3 threads exactly the same to this before (cocker vs impy) and in all 3 the concensus was that cockers are better..... (check way back in the wgp forum and the high end semi forum)

there it is.. if i think of anything new to say ill post it..
hope it was politically correct enuf for you all...

[Codestar20]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by NSUCK
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btw.. there have been 3 threads exactly the same to this before (cocker vs impy) and in all 3 the concensus was that cockers are better..... (check way back in the wgp forum and the high end semi forum)
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Maybe YOU came to the consensus that cockers are better. Different people like different kinds of markers. Don't get me wrong, I really like cockers but electros are more of my thing.

[NSUCK]

no, im sayin most of the people that replied said that cockers are better...

[KallenP]

OK I have two electro markers, a cocker, a m98, a pt enforcer(pistol), Winchester (plastic marker), and an sl-68-II. I dont just have cocker, I just dont have an electro, I have all sorts of good and well know guns at differnt levels. What is my consensus about all of this. Cockers rock and as said before good person with a cocker no problems. I mean ooooh I like to have the most accurate customizable gun in the game but hey what I have to spend 3 minutes to maintain it every once in awhile. No I think I will go with an electro not maintain it(because I think it dosnt need it) say it is great and let it crap out after a period of time. People I have tried the guns I have been to the point of being set in my ways over which gun and that. When it comes down to it cocker is the gun and electros in looking back are fun to play with but ultimatly a waste of money when cockers are out there and at decent prices. Oh for a little tidbit of info Autocockers are low pressure already even stock ones from WGP.

[FrOnTMaN]

how bout we say that there both incredable guns(electros and cockers) and that there different for different people. case closed

[KallenP]

Electros in general arn't good. Angels, impulses, Shockers, good working Tribals and Bushys are good electros. Kingman, Diablo, Brass Eagle and other off brand electros arn't that good.

[UTLadiesMan]

Originally posted by KallenP
Electros in general arn't good. Angels, impulses, Shockers, good working Tribals and Bushys are good electros. Kingman, Diablo, Brass Eagle and other off brand electros arn't that good.

Actually, most electros are good high quality markers. The only ones I would be hesitant about are the electronic blow backs (not because of quality, but because of design), and the rain maker (because i don't like BE quality, but many people say the RM is good...). When did Diablo, Brass Eagle, or Kingman become off brand? Granted, most of them have less experience than other companies, but the Matrix is actually a pretty high quality marker, and I stand behind anything Kingman sells. I think others may perform better than spyders, but Kingman has a good history of quality behind them for the price. (only one exception comes to mind).

[KallenP]

I didn't quite mean that they were off brand. I think that those electros are a waste compared to other electros or even a cocker. I would take a stock WGP cocker over any of those electros. Granted the Matrix is not that bad but it isnt worth its cost. I dont think tribals are either just I have experienced some that are as good as Angels so (good working was put in there). Why do people get so sucked into electros? I mean its not like they will make you a better player? It isn't even like they are better then some of the semis out there(not in general). You could say back to me of course what is it with people with cockers? I would say an actual advantage over all other markers.

[captain_rexx]

get both but if that can not be done go with the impy thats what i am going to be getting this week

[anchorite]

KallenP... you said electros in general arent good?
I agree that some of the cheaper electros arent that great, but you listed diablo?
diablo is the supplier of the Matrix.
the matrix can out-perform nearly any cocker or electric I have ever seen. it shoots nicer than shocker, with same flat trajectory. it is faster and shoots better than the majority of bushys out there, I believe it is better rounded than timmy...
watch what you say.

back to the topic.
cockers do shoot nice,
but for the price, a $400 cocker (virtually stock) will not outperform a $400 impulse.

go with the impulse.
they are just as upgradable... new trigger, vff, bolt, etc, etc, etc


go with the impulse

[weefek]

Yes, I've decided to go with the Impulse, only because I am a front man. But I like the looks of the cocker better.... and I will probably buy a cocker as well, during winter.