automag, minimag or autococker

[Compact_Killer]

what should i do

[spyderman007]

go autococker.they have more range and have a ton of upgrades.

[JesterDude15]

The Autococker has better range than a Mag but a Mag is the same thing as the Minimag except the Minimag comes with a barrel and you dont need a bottom line. The Autococker is for you if you dont mind giving it two 30 minute baths a day and you are a tourney player who is not mechanically inclined in any way whatsoever. Mags have easy maintanence, cockers dont. Cockers have more range than mags. Its all up to how the gun feels. If it is too heavy or doesnt feel right it isnt for you. You could get a stingray and if it felt right to you. You could make it whatever you want it to be. If you can aim with a gun it is not going to be accurate.

[spydyman9]

I have said it once and I will say it againt you have to get the autocooker in this situation they are accurate and they are very cheap for how good they are

[JesterDude15]

Maybe so. But mags are more reliable, shorter, and easier to maintain. I could make any mag as good as any cocker!

[paintballer]

go with the autocker

[JesterDude15]

Once again, the Automag is the equivalent of a Talon in the hands of someone who in not Mechanically Inclined. An Automag can be a gun for a newbie or a Tourney Player.

[ry_goody]

Cockers are better than a mag. Cockers are quieter, naturally more accurate because of closed bolt, I can outshoot a 12v hopper (my cocker doesn't have any trigger job), they are not hard to maintain, they are not hard to time, they do perform flawlessly if taken care of, which taking care of it isn't hard at all. However it may take a little to learn a autococker to fix it yourself and time it yourself, but it is no more than someone sitting down and showing you. Cockers also run quite well on co2. The stock 2000 cockers are also very good and have very good parts, except the barrel and the plastic grip.

[Whisky]

You have to try one of each before buying. And don`t consider the people that says that this gun is better and that one more accurate. This is all bull ****. I tried a mag and a cocker, and no one shoots better, believe me. Not like other people that claim that cockers are better had never tried a mag. So i choose tha mag.Not cause cockers are bad, just because i don`tlike the way they shoot. And i would`nt play in an NPPL team if mags were that bad.
Anyway it is up to you, both are very good gun, it depends on how it feels in your hand.

[ry_goody]

As a complete cocker fan I will tell you that the closed bolt theoraticlly makes it more accurate. But in actuallity it is not, mags can be just as accurate. However, closed bolt does have very little blow back which helps the paintballs feed and makes the gun more efficient since all the gas goes down the barrel and not some down the barrel and some out the elbow.

[JesterDude15]

Closed bolt may not make it more accurate but the shot grouping of it is a little bit tighter.

[SAWTAN-THE-GREAT]

i own a mag but i am not going to tell you to get one and i am not going to say that one is better and i am not going to insult cockers just get whatever gun you like the best i like the mag better so that is what i own but if i liked cockers better i would own a cocker like i said before try em both and buy the one you like the best.

[JesterDude15]

I noticed Mag owners dont have as much hate toward cocker owners as cocker owners have toward mag owners.


Dont be stupid.....try out a gun before you buy it...

[commandokickass]

both guns r very good. a lot of the pickin is by preference. it depends how much time u have for paintballing and how often u go. the automag rt pro is quite a good gun, many custom cockers r very good too. but like all other guns, these guns have their flaws too. autocockers have high maintenance problems and can shortstroke. mags are not as upgradable. some mags have harder pulls too.

[Halliday]

Go Automag. A MiniMag just costs more and looks "prettier."
All these guns can be EASILY short-stroked.

Get the Mag. Later you can get the Cocker and mess with it all you want. Break it? Just pull out the backup Automag!

[ctx]

go with the cocker

[JDoGG]

I own a cocker and have shot many many mags. I dont believe many people on this site who say that a cocker has high maintenance. I have never had a problem with mine, and all I do is wipe the outside with a wet towel. A mag may not need any maintance though. But I will promise you it will cost more to get a Mag to run as consistent(FPS wise) as a cocker. Also, the cocker isnt too easily shortstroked, and whenever I did shortstroke my cocker, it fired two balls on the next pull with no break. Decide if you want a faster trigger or alittle more accuracy and upgradability before you buy a gun.

sorry it was so long

[JDoGG]

Consistent using co2, sorry.

[p8ntballMerc]

Originally posted by JesterDude15
I noticed Mag owners dont have as much hate toward cocker owners as cocker owners have toward mag owners.


Dont be stupid.....try out a gun before you buy it...


Your Right. Except me, I'm not hateful. Am I??

[JesterDude15]

hmmmmm.....I guess not

[Halliday]

You don't sell those guns. Keep them and rent them at the field!

[liquidsoul_sm]

Don't go with any of them - Go with a Brass Eagle Raptor. Actually just look at the million other threads that went over the same matter.

[SPEED]

Vert feed cocker with Freak system, then upgrade to WGP hinge triggerframe if you really want to. Then go for the bolt ANS quick pull venturi, get a Vigi in-line reg, get an ANS Jackhammer reg, an HPA setup, and if you really must keep messing with the pneumatics on the gun...the point is the cocker will always be a good gun and can be upgraded endlessly to your tastes and/or wallet.

[p8ntballMerc]

Originally posted by Halliday
You don't sell those guns. Keep them and rent them at the field!

In know, but the SFL cost me a whole lota money. And I'm buyin a new house. And its goin to be cool, cuz my back yard is a huge field and my team and I can practice there.

[Halliday]

Sometimes I rent out my Mag. Not the Shocker........

[Creek]

The guys that bad mouth the mags at our field. We play now and then at shut up when we walk in. Reason is cause We own blazers and I own a mag too.I put up and they shut up. Cockers are good markers but there not for everyone.Mag owners most of them like what they have and dont need to down play other peoples stuff.
If its open bolt closed bolt stuff GOODY you want too talk about, my blazer is closed bolt.Its lighter than a cocker alot faster ROF. And over all a better marker than a cocker IMO. But you never see me taking cockers down.

[Habib7386]

::steps up on soap box::

Granted I have not read all of this conversation, but I have owned and do own both an autococker and a mag. First of all, autocockers do not come stock with any magic paintball fairies, and therefor shoot the same distance as mags, unless you somehow achieve backspin on the ball, (z-body for mag or flatline barrel.) My stock 2k1 vert feed autococker, once timed, in my hands, reached 5 bps, had a 5" spread at 60', and needed only to be oiled and squeegied after I played. This setup, with nitro, cost me $700, give or take. I personally loved this. My second gun, a '99 mag with a z-body, ReTro valve, z-grip, and a bigshot. This cost me $675 w/o nitro. I could hit 14 bps easy with this setup, it had a spread of about 6" @ 60', and I play tape with this gun. It also has a warp feed on it, and it weighs about 5 lbs. with paint in it. I loe both of these guns, but without a good paint-barrel match in the cocker, (the z-body needs small paint), it isn't all that great. Closed bolt, ready for this? does nothing for accuracy. No matter what you say, I will tell you that using both, they're about the same accuracy. So, goes on the argument, which is better? Personally, I like my mag, but then again, if I had an equivelant cocker, I'd probably not be able to decide. I will tell you that playing front and tape, cockers are a little big, but that's ok with me. It all depends on how you play the game. I know I'm gonna get flamed big time for this post, but oh well...

::steps down from soap bx, smiles, waves, walks away::

[p8ntballMerc]

I believe I have to go poopy.

[PiRaNhA69]

actully a cocker is more accurate.at my field two ppl were shooting an emag and a cocker the same time and the same lace at the same range.and the cocker was way more accurate.

[FSU Paintball]

First off, if you decide on a Mag, get an AutoMag powerfeed, and NOT a minimag. They are virtually the same, but the PF AutoMag is much cheaper. I've owned 2 mags, one Auto and one Mini. I know what I'm talking about.

Anyway, on to the Mag vs. Cocker debate.

I've been a longtime Mag user. I used to say that cockers were crap. And they were.

However, the new autocockers since 2000 have been EXCELLENT. I now think that they are better than mags!
(stunned silence)

Yes that's right, a hardcore AutoMag user has been converted! And it's for good reasons, too. The new cockers are:
- just as reliable as mags
- run much better on CO2 than mags
- are more accurate with the stock barrel than a mag is with a good barrel
- are more customizeable than mags
- are cheaper to set up. You can get a cocker for $325 at http://www.paintballgeeks.com and be ready to rock, but you're gonna have to sink at least $350-$450 into a Mag to make it work well.

I now champion the cause of the AutoCocker, although I still proudly wear my MiniMag tag, as seen below this post. Both guns are excellent, but the Cocker has stepped up in recent years to become the best buy on the market today.

[SPEED]

The hinge trigger is an indication to the future. I hate electros, but when they come out with one I might just break down and go for it. WGP will do something great...like if the cocker weren't great enough...