automag vs. autococker 2000

[Compact_Killer]

what to do

[Halliday]

A) Do I like playing paintball?
B) Do I like tinkering with paintball guns?

Both are vaild options. I have total respect for people that enjoy working on guns.

Answer key:
If you answered A----> Automag
if you answered B----> Autococker

[PaintballRaver]

I like the look and feel of the automag better, it has a certin simplicity to it that I like very much.
I have never been a huge fan of autocockers mainly becuse of the maintinace involved to keep them in good working order. You also have to learn how to shoot it for it to work for you.

[Halliday]

I was at an season opening day of a local field a month ago. I was using my Mag w/HPA. A guy had his brand new Cocker he'd recived for Christmas. EVERY time he picked it up to show off, he'd fire a few rounds down-range and something would go wrong. Chop a ball, bolt pin flew off, elbow and hopper fell off, bust a ball in the barrel!

He played two games all day. I went through 1500+ rounds w/o a single problem other than just me being stupid.

[Keikan]

His cocker wasnt properly timed. Hes bragging about the looks of a gun he knows nothing about :)

A properly timed cocker has IMHO alot more potential in performance than any other non electro gun :)

But Timing the gun just right can be difficult to do on your own for a while.

[Halliday]

I really don't know what his problem was. It was just funny to see something fall off every time he used the new Cocker.

[Keikan]

Ya thats when you laugh at the poor guy :)

[Halliday]

Yeah, point and laugh :) He was all stylin' in his blue JT jersey and pants, also brand new.

Me, I was wearing my white hoodie and camo pants (It was winter. Blend in with the snow grasshoppa!)

[spydyman9]

Hey what was that joe I couldnt hear you what what BOOM I bet you didnt see that coming did you.

[spydyman9]

Do you even have your gun yet?

[spyderman007]

spydyman9, there is no need to tease young joseph here since you are in the same situation

[spyderman007]

i havent shot a automag but i would go with a cocker anyways, they are so accurate and they have infinite upgrades

[Creek]

The auto mag it lite not much too it,like someone said a pipe and a valve slap a trigger frame on it and you got a auto-mag.rate of fire of the mag is good for a semi.The cocker belive me isn't bad either.Depends where your mind set is you got alot of upgrades for this marker.If you are not the kind of preson who can sit there and time this marker,and not get pissed the mag it is the marker for alot of people who want too gas up and play. My friend has a cocker but he is always messing with it,I told him maybe if you learn how too time it you could play longer.Well this weekend I loan him my mag cause he mess it up good. Now that kind a preson needs a mag.

[FireStorm727]

Spyderman007 if u haven't ever fire both a mag and cocker u shouldn't be sayin one is better than the other I think mag is better for various reasons I don't feel like typin bout but when u shoot around with both a mag and cocker then i will listen 2 your opinion.

[Creek]

I ahve fired a cocker and didn't likke it that much.Mags I like gas it up and your rocking.But if you never fire a mag or a cocker before your remarks are nill.Cause you can't even give either one a fair shake

[SAWTAN-THE-GREAT]

I LIKE THE PICTURE TO THE LEFT OF YOU POST HALLIDAY THAT CHICK IS REALLY HOTT :)

[Halliday]

Yes, yes she is.

[Eskimo]

I own both a 68 Automag, and a 2000 ANS Autococker. Personaly, I like the Autococker better. It has a smoother trigger, slightly better range, and a better rate of fire. (at least between my 'mag and 'cocker) Anyway, my $0.02


Eskimo

[p8ntballMerc]

No one can really answer this question. Its just a matter of a person's opinion. I like cockers more just because my main marker is my SFL. But the mag I like the most is the minimag, just cuz of the look.

Some people like speed and some like accuracy. I like performance. Cockers aren't really that hard to maintain. Not easy as a mag, but still not hard.




I had both markers, so you can't tell me to try out both guns.

[ry_goody]

Compact Killer, don't mind what these ignorant people say who don't know anything about cockers. It is true cockers have a bit more stuff on them making them more complex, but it doesn't take anymore than someone to take 10 minutes and tell you what it all is and you will see it is pretty simple.

Don't be turned away from the cocker because you saw someone having problems with it, if someone has problems with there cocker it was because of them doing something stupid to it.

You do have to time a cocker, which is to assume it has even gone out of time. This one guy timed his cocker a year ago, he never messed with it and it still is in proper timing today. Even if it went out of timing it is not that damn hard to fix, I timed my cocker for the first time with no help except for seeing it be done once, you just adjust a few screws. The reason most people fiddle with it so much is because there trying to make it perfect, but it still works just fine without being perfect. Also, maintenence is nothing more than oiling a few spots.

If you like a gun that has a awesome trigger, very accurate, quiet, is very easily comparable to electros (they use cockers in pro tounraments), scares people, is upgradable to the point of a pro tournament gun and is a statement like wearing name brand clothes, get the cocker.

If you like a gun that can technically shoot the fastest (but really doesn't) and that will allow you to say you have a better gun than spyders (not better than cockers though) then get the mag.

BTW, I own a autocockcer, but I have also played a day of paintball with a very nice mag. The cocker is better, smoother trigger and light trigger (on the mag your pushing against gas on the trigger). The cocker was way quieter and better accuracy.

[flyingdeadbody1]

Originally posted by ry_goody
Compact Killer, don't mind what these ignorant people say who don't know anything about cockers. It is true cockers have a bit more stuff on them making them more complex, but it doesn't take anymore than someone to take 10 minutes and tell you what it all is and you will see it is pretty simple.

Don't be turned away from the cocker because you saw someone having problems with it, if someone has problems with there cocker it was because of them doing something stupid to it.

You do have to time a cocker, which is to assume it has even gone out of time. This one guy timed his cocker a year ago, he never messed with it and it still is in proper timing today. Even if it went out of timing it is not that damn hard to fix, I timed my cocker for the first time with no help except for seeing it be done once, you just adjust a few screws. The reason most people fiddle with it so much is because there trying to make it perfect, but it still works just fine without being perfect. Also, maintenence is nothing more than oiling a few spots.

If you like a gun that has a awesome trigger, very accurate, quiet, is very easily comparable to electros (they use cockers in pro tounraments), scares people, is upgradable to the point of a pro tournament gun and is a statement like wearing name brand clothes, get the cocker.

If you like a gun that can technically shoot the fastest (but really doesn't) and that will allow you to say you have a better gun than spyders (not better than cockers though) then get the mag.

BTW, I own a autocockcer, but I have also played a day of paintball with a very nice mag. The cocker is better, smoother trigger and light trigger (on the mag your pushing against gas on the trigger). The cocker was way quieter and better accuracy.

yes, but if you want to be trouble-free and WORRY-FREE,go for a mag. same performance yet simpler. you might not miss that next game sitting out and checking your sear lug haha.

[p8ntballMerc]

If you bought the cocker from a pro shop you wont have any trouble. If you do they'll fix it for you. People that you see fixing thier cockers all the time are the ones that don't take care of thier cockers.

[Halliday]

Yeah, if you buy a Autococker from a pro shop they'll "fix" it for you.

Nevermind that you probally paid $200+ more than buying it online, plus the sales tax for your state.

[p8ntballMerc]

Save you trouble though if your lazy on fixing cockers.
And don't have to go to all those trouble sending it back to the site where you got it from if its broken.


You know..... just get your self a rainmaker.(j/k)

[liquidsoul_sm]

I have owned all sorts of markers. The autococker is the most reliable gun that I have ever owned. Even my old 2001 autococker was excellent. Since that was a "tweener" gun, I didn't oil it or anything. Never cleaned it at all, in fact, i never took the body off. The marker worked like a charm - no upgrades - no nothing. Bone Stock Autococker. Everyone that says a mag is more reliable I disagree. They are both excellent in reliability standpoints. Go to your local shop and try them both out. What marker feels better? Remember that with a mag, what you see is what you get. With a cocker, your possibilities are endless. There are plenty of ugrades for both, you just need to decide what you like. Don't take anyone's word of advice. I just wanted to say that cockers are very reliable. That is my thoughts on the matter.

[SPEED]

I'm on a guy's team that owns a shop, he has used (and extended the right to us) just about every single gun on the market. I do not like the Automags. Even the double trigger RT that spits out paint like an Angel. They are accurate, easy to maintain as well, and reliable. I just don't like them. I like the Autococker. I chose the Vert feed for myself. I can build it up to be better than a BM or STO and I don't need the fancy anodizing or milling. That's a tradeoff I was willing to make. If I were interested in the looks of the gun AS WELL AS the performance I would have gotten the STO or BM. In my opinion there is no better value right now than those two guns. The autococker is reliable, easy to maintain, and extremely accurate. But for me, it also satisfies my need to tinker, and I believe in the end is a better gun than an Automag. Just hook up with a local shop and see if you can afford yourself the luxury of trying out all sorts of markers and then you can make a more educated decision and one based on preference which is what it all really boils down to.

[FSU Paintball]

I've been a longtime Mag user. I used to say that cockers were crap. And they were.

However, the new autocockers since 2000 have been EXCELLENT. I now think that they are better than mags!

(stunned silence)

Yes that's right, a hardcore AutoMag user has been converted! And it's for good reasons, too. The new cockers are:

- just as reliable as mags
- run much better on CO2 than mags
- are more accurate with the stock barrel than a mag is with a good barrel
- are more customizeable than mags
- are cheaper to set up. You can get a cocker for $325 at http://www.paintballgeeks.com and be ready to rock, but you're gonna have to sink at least $350-$450 into a Mag to make it work well.

I now champion the cause of the AutoCocker, although I still proudly wear my MiniMag tag, as seen below this post. Both guns are excellent, but the Cocker has stepped up in recent years to become the best buy on the market today.

[SPEED]

Dollars to dollars the cocker is the best buy out there. It can and does compete with guns twice its' price and then some. The hinge trigger is an indication to the future. I hate electros, but when they come out with one I might just break down and go for it. WGP will do something great...like if the cocker weren't great enough...

[JDoGG]

ya how long will it take for wgp to come out w/something electronic.

[liquidsoul_sm]

I don't think that WGP will come out with a electro. They aren't trying to compete with Matrix's or Excaliburs. They are competing against the mag and soveriegn. Their design is based off of the SNIPER. I think that if they built an electro their business would drop. I know that I would keep my BM as long as I could, and then I would find another marker. If they designed a electro the quality of their markers would go down. Either that, or it would be a flop like the EM1. Hopefully WGP does not stir away from the tried and true autococker.

[froshy00]

i have practicly owned both guns i have had a mag an RT and have practicly owned variouse cockers (friends) let me give you alitle backround.i have eleven friends (including me) who paintball and we have owned are guns for about the same amount of time about a year and a half ( i just bought an RT though ). anway including me 6 people have mags and six have cockers"one guy has both"the friends with the mags hardly ever have a proplem the only problem i have ever seen with them so far is the oldest one needed 1 new oring just one after the countles paintballs that have been shot one oring was bad also he was using c02. now on the other hand the friends with the cockers (all suped up and worth over 1000 wile the mags practicly stock, have have problems every time we go paintballing and its not the timing like most are these are true pices of sh**. now i havent tried the new cockers but ive heard there better ill beleave it when i use one

[SPEED]

Originally posted by liquidsoul_sm
I don't think that WGP will come out with a electro. They aren't trying to compete with Matrix's or Excaliburs. They are competing against the mag and soveriegn. Their design is based off of the SNIPER. I think that if they built an electro their business would drop. I know that I would keep my BM as long as I could, and then I would find another marker. If they designed a electro the quality of their markers would go down. Either that, or it would be a flop like the EM1. Hopefully WGP does not stir away from the tried and true autococker.

At Mardi Gras NPPL tourney WGP announced the Hinge and said that it was a hint at an upcoming electro. WarpigTV had the interview. I think it was in clip 3 of 5.

[Splash]

just finished working one off at the local field and the trigger is alot lighter and less chrisp then any cocker i've seen,,,,,but i have only seen like around 25 decent cockers and like 5 pimped ones (real life)

[Magadeth]

I think its funny when cocker owners complain about the lack of upgrades for the mag. the reason there arent that many is that the mag doesn't need $500 worth of upgrades to make it shoot up to its potential, It works great out of the box. The only things that can improve it is an 8 hole reg(makes it super quiet) and a better barrel(stock has a wide diameter) I put an rt valve in mine and am not sure that it made a difference. Also Mags dont break down and are extremely easy to maintain.

IMO they are both great guns though. If you get a cocker, once you get used to how it works you will be just as happy as with a mag. Dont buy an older stock cocker though, it will be a HUGE drain on your wallet. If you decide to go with the cocker make sure its a newer model. 2001 sto looks sweet.

[JDoGG]

i think its funny when cocker and mag owners fight

[froshy00]

the rt valve dosnet inprove alot but if you shot the reg mag and the rt you would notice its just that you are used to the feel of the mag i just bought an rt and i shot a mag again and there is a differance its alot qutcker and more crisp

[pbmstr]

Originally posted by FSU Paintball
I've been a longtime Mag user. I used to say that cockers were crap. And they were.

However, the new autocockers since 2000 have been EXCELLENT. I now think that they are better than mags!

(stunned silence)

Yes that's right, a hardcore AutoMag user has been converted! And it's for good reasons, too. The new cockers are:

- just as reliable as mags
- run much better on CO2 than mags
- are more accurate with the stock barrel than a mag is with a good barrel
- are more customizeable than mags
- are cheaper to set up. You can get a cocker for $325 at http://www.paintballgeeks.com and be ready to rock, but you're gonna have to sink at least $350-$450 into a Mag to make it work well.

I now champion the cause of the AutoCocker, although I still proudly wear my MiniMag tag, as seen below this post. Both guns are excellent, but the Cocker has stepped up in recent years to become the best buy on the market today.

thank u very much.....now im going to cry

[pbmstr]

Originally posted by SPEED
Originally posted by liquidsoul_sm
I don't think that WGP will come out with a electro. They aren't trying to compete with Matrix's or Excaliburs. They are competing against the mag and soveriegn. Their design is based off of the SNIPER. I think that if they built an electro their business would drop. I know that I would keep my BM as long as I could, and then I would find another marker. If they designed a electro the quality of their markers would go down. Either that, or it would be a flop like the EM1. Hopefully WGP does not stir away from the tried and true autococker.

At Mardi Gras NPPL tourney WGP announced the Hinge and said that it was a hint at an upcoming electro. WarpigTV had the interview. I think it was in clip 3 of 5.

yeah and i remember something about the hinge being fitted for electronics inside

[SPEED]

Exactly. The Hinge trigger is for the electro gun, it just so happens it fits the AutoCocker in the meantime...so make some more money! According to what the WGP guys said, the Hinge was developed and produced specifically for their upcoming electro. With Zap's entrance into the market, Smart Parts, ICD, WDP and now WGP...it's going to be a crowded market. Hopefully it'll lower prices though. One can only hope.

[JDoGG]

well i know i cant wait to see wgps electro. i highly doubt they will dissapoint. hopefully something in the price range of an impulse that could use upgrades from current cockers would be sweet.

[Magadeth]

Originally posted by froshy00
the rt valve dosnet inprove alot but if you shot the reg mag and the rt you would notice its just that you are used to the feel of the mag i just bought an rt and i shot a mag again and there is a differance its alot qutcker and more crisp
I think the reason I cant tell the diference is that I was allready shooting as fast as my finger can go. LOL :p

[KlumpDud]

FSU Paintball said it all. This discussion doesn't need to continue on any longer.

[paintballer56]

my opinion is cocker more accurate, mag lower profile