Ramping. Dangerous?

[Elite virus]

Ive heard a few people say that ramping is cheap and dangerous. Why would they say that how is it dangerous?

[trophyman582]

Because they're new to the sport.

[413sonix]

I don't know. Because if you set it to ramp up to 20 BPS once you hit 5 BPS you're going to constantly be shooting 20 BPS without it slowing down.

[cookie123]

because it is cheap and dangerous.

do you want to get 10+ balls to the back. or anywhere else for that matter.

[Brad_VG]

Definatly dangerous and I find it makes the game very unenjoyable if no one else has the ramping option. I have a friend who is constantly in turnis and he can't figure out how to change his Ion back from ramping (tech always does it) and when we play woodsball he unloads when he shoots. My gun got destroyed by about 20 paintballs in relatively the same spot before he realized I was out already, I couldnt imagine what that would have felt like normally.

[rawkfist]

ramping cheap? idk the point is just to get as many balls to your target as possible=more chances to hit them. ramping dangerous? well if you held it to your male friends crotch and unloaded it might be ;)

[di$TOrTed]

I don't mind ramping up to like 15bps or so but when kids whose parents bought them a dm6 has it ramping at like 24bps that gets really annoying, they hit you like 10 times.

[4THDEGREE]

I think you need to go back to the days before ramping when folks would set their guns up to bounce. When they would get in a runaway bounce situation, that was dangerous. At least with ramping, when you let off the trigger, the guns stops shooting.

[Elite virus]

Ok yeah that sucks, so you cant control how many shots hit the target, correct?

[4THDEGREE]

Well, for example: My Empire Timmy,when ramping shoots 15 bps as it is capped. When my old Classic would start bouncing, it would hit 27 bps. I prefer the capped ramping over bounce anyday of the week.

[bvr775]

you want to know why it's dangoruos?
most guns shot hot when in ramping mode. I've seen as much as 110fps increase on lower end guns. 340fps is considered deadly for medium game hunting. Humans or medium game. granted a paintball isn't as lethal as a lead spike fired at the same speed. A paintball can cause internal bleeding and can kill if it hits you in the right spot.

as for why people don't like ramping. well.. anyone can hit a target when they can spray the whole feild in a second. ramping takes the skill out of paintball.

[TheWonderWaffle]

I'd say ramping is dangerous only because it basically takes control out of the person shooting the marker. When they can't control the amount of times their marker fires a paintball, that makes things very dangerous indeed. Besides, 15 bps is not that hard to do. If you get a good trigger job, I'd say most people could do it if they practiced a little.

[soccerjacks12]

If anything you would see shootdown when ramping.
ANd like 4th said, once you take your finger off the trigger it stops ramping. Same idea as walking it at 15 BPS. It's not cheap, if everyone can ramp, physical skill is expoed.

[klank is here]

as for why people don't like ramping. well.. anyone can hit a target when they can spray the whole feild in a second. ramping takes the skill out of paintball.
couldn't have been said better.

[slaminator3323]

If everyone has the ability to use ramping I see no problem with it otherwise I find it to be cheap. That being said I've never used anything other than semi and probably never will.

[the beast!]

ramping isnt dangerous trigger bounce is

[coolrazer]

I don't know. Because if you set it to ramp up to 20 BPS once you hit 5 BPS you're going to constantly be shooting 20 BPS without it slowing down.

This is why fields and tournaments have a cap at 15 bps. Most cars have a top speed of around 100 mph, but we have speed limits to make roads safer. The same can be said for ramping.

because it is cheap and dangerous.

do you want to get 10+ balls to the back. or anywhere else for that matter.

Stay off the speedball field? I've been shot more than 10 times in the back, I've shot people more than that too. If you know you don't want to get shot like that, then play with people on your skill level, or stick to the woods. If everyone you play with are shooting tippmanns, you won't get shot 10 times in the back. If you want to get better as a player, you obviously want to play in tournaments to be competitive, so you need to get used to getting shot like that.

I don't mind ramping up to like 15bps or so but when kids whose parents bought them a dm6 has it ramping at like 24bps that gets really annoying, they hit you like 10 times.

Refer to two repsones above this one.

I think you need to go back to the days before ramping when folks would set their guns up to bounce. When they would get in a runaway bounce situation, that was dangerous. At least with ramping, when you let off the trigger, the guns stops shooting.

Exactly. Ramping is just as safe as semi-auto.

you want to know why it's dangoruos?
most guns shot hot when in ramping mode. I've seen as much as 110fps increase on lower end guns. 340fps is considered deadly for medium game hunting. Humans or medium game. granted a paintball isn't as lethal as a lead spike fired at the same speed. A paintball can cause internal bleeding and can kill if it hits you in the right spot.

as for why people don't like ramping. well.. anyone can hit a target when they can spray the whole feild in a second. ramping takes the skill out of paintball.

You're wrong. The worst consistancy you would see with a horrible reg would be +/- 20 fps. Like someone else said, you would experience shootdown too.
And no, ramping doesn't take the skill out of the game. It levels the playing field. With everyone shooting the same amount of paint, it makes you work on skills such as running and gunning, snapshooting, the break, advancing, etc in order to win.

I'd say ramping is dangerous only because it basically takes control out of the person shooting the marker. When they can't control the amount of times their marker fires a paintball, that makes things very dangerous indeed. Besides, 15 bps is not that hard to do. If you get a good trigger job, I'd say most people could do it if they practiced a little.

Yeah you can control how much paint comes out of your marker. I know that when I start shooting, that exactly 14.75 balls are going to be shot every second. I also know that the second I stop pulling the trigger, my gun stops shooting. It seems that it doesn't stop shooting because a lot of paint is flying through the air. When I see paint break on someone, I stop shooting...but I still have about 20 balls in the air going towards that person, and chances are half of them will hit that person. If what you say about shooting 15 bps is true (which it isn't, 15 bps is harder than it looks) then when you stop shooting your gun the paint will still be flying through the air, and the person will still be shot more than once.

I love this multi-quote option. ;)

[drunkenMonkey]

Unless someone is ramping to some insane rate (20+) it's not really dangerous. It's not like bounce where you tap the trigger once, and your gun suddenly has a mind of it's own. And ramping isn't really cheap imo. The only time I really see someone having an advantage by ramping is when they are shooting a lane. Otherwise, it doesn't give them a huge edge over you. They still have to have an angle on you to get you out. The only thing that is different is they can hit you more times.

[Mr Murderdoll89]

You're all ignorant, I'm not even going to bother explaining why there is nothing wrong with ramping.

[Mentalmonkey10]

I have no problem with ramping and no problem when people are ramping, as long as it is caped at 15 or below.

[4THDEGREE]

The funny thing to me is I have bonus balled to much greater levels playing rec with everyone on semi than I ever have in tournaments where ramping was allowed.

[iplaynaked]

any amount of ramping that can be pulled off is not dangerous. the only dangerous ramping would be so obvious the person would be pulled before they can shoot anyone.

[DirtyBirdy51]

are you talking dangerous with ramping at a high MROF, or ramping at a low minimal bps activation? i.e. 5bps activation ramping to 20bps or 2 bps activation ramping to 15bps?

either way, im for ramping. though it really doesnt matter because most people can pull 10-15 anyways, but the extra one or two balls are nice.

[PlayHardDieHard]

I agree ramping is for noobs who don't know how to walk a trigger faster than 8bps....i don't mind ramping too much b/c i can brag that much more when i poon them with my mech autococker

[Morox]

Ramping is definitely cheap. It allows you to shoot more than your actual natural ability. It's like a steroid.

[Tweeters]

Ramping is definitely cheap. It allows you to shoot more than your actual natural ability. It's like a steroid.

no..its not...

cleats help you grip and run faster than your actual natural ability...

gloves give you a grip on the ball that is greater than your actual natural ability...

etc...


etc...

etc....

[punk_rocker543]

The only thing I find cheap is that you can be reloading and still be shooting 15bps.

[4THDEGREE]

no..its not...

cleats help you grip and run faster than your actual natural ability...

gloves give you a grip on the ball that is greater than your actual natural ability...

etc...


etc...

etc....

I happen to agree with Tweeters. You play by the rules of the tounament. If ramping is allowed then I use it. If it semi, then I use semi. It matters not to me which way the gun is shooting as the only goal is getting the other players out and winning the game.

[The_beast]

no..its not...

cleats help you grip and run faster than your actual natural ability...

gloves give you a grip on the ball that is greater than your actual natural ability...

etc...


etc...

etc....

That doesn't make any sense? Show me some cleats that sprint for me once I start a light jog and then I will swallow that one.

Where I don't like ramping, I don't see it being this great danger. Honestly, paintball isn't some sort of john woo film, it is not like each individual shot is throwing you against trees and walls. Like, I have been tagged by people ramping higher than 15 bps. It hurt, but I survived and didn't really think twice about it.

Mind you, comparing ramping to bounce doesn't magically debunk the argument of it being dangerous. By that logic, jumping off of a building is safe, because I COULD be jumping out of an airplane.

[iplaynaked]

comparing ramping to steriods is rediculous. steriods affect and hurt you off the field as well. ramping won't even hurt you on the field.

[|æ|R|4|V|E|N|æ|]

... A paintball can cause internal bleeding and can kill if it hits you in the right spot.

A bruise is internal bleeding... If you can't take a bruise you might not want to play sports.

[paintball0308]

If you think getting hit with more than one paintball hurts than dont play. I got shot five times on my fingers and hand cause ramping but it did not hurt so much that I had to go home. If you had ramping you would use it. my friend uses ramping at 22bps against me and I have a stock imagine. I dont think its unfair, it gives you more skill to play against someone shooting fast. the funny thing is i can still get him out.

[Crede777]

I play at places where everyone uses PSP (and play in the PSP tourney). Very rarely am I pelted with 10 balls in the back. Sure I may catch a fair share if I get bunkered or make a dumb move, but that's paintball. Usually it's only 1-3. If you take 10 to the back, it's your own fault and you did something stupid.

[TiPpYsGaLoRe]

I'd be a lot more worried by trigger bounce then ramping. I keep my gun on PSP and would probably change it to semi only if required. Ramping is only different from semi in that you aren't walking as fast as you are shooting. If you complaing about people ramping(which is usually 15 bps given that that's the common rule), then you should also complain about those that CAN walk 15. Doesn't make much sense, does it?

Ramping is fine unless illegal in the given situation. Massive bounce is never safe.

[coolrazer]

IT'S THE THREAD THAT MAKES ME PUNCH INFANTS!d.

[Sheps]

Ramping is definitely cheap. It allows you to shoot more than your actual natural ability. It's like a steroid.

NASCAR just wouldn't be the same with dozens of naked men running in circles for days on end.

[Elite virus]

I dont belive in the word, CHEAP. If what you do is within the rules of the game and you are not breaking those rules its fine. The other team or opponent has the same right to do that too. If the game becomes boring or dangerous but still within the rules, maybe the rules need to be changed, but dont blame the player.

When people talk about internal bleeding being dangerous, they usually mean when half a hopper is unloaded on a person at once. This can be very dangerous because the person has lost a lot of blood and arteries and veins can be damaged.

[DagNasty]

this has been debated enough..