Vs

[GamecockFn2]

The new Kingman VS guns are now uncovered in the newest eition of faceful magazine. Look pretty sweet.

[di$TOrTed]

do you have a link or anything?

[paintballer667]

Who cares, there just Kingmans......:dodgy:

[TimberGhost0417]

Lots of pictures in this thread
http://www.pbnation.com/showthread.php?t=1645505

[Psycho_warden]

Im actually pretty impressed. It seems that it will be very popular as far as lower end tourny markers go. It will likely give the Ion, Promaster and Wrath a run for their money.

[crzypballer14]

Im actually pretty impressed. It seems that it will be very popular as far as lower end tourny markers go. It will likely give the Ion, Promaster and Wrath a run for their money.
Ion Promaster and Wrath will still come out on top. It's supposed to be Electro-Mechanic or something like that I heard.:dodgy:

[Rohit]

it does not look that bad, now bad company will have something better to shoot with.

[scenariomaniac]

Im actually pretty impressed. It seems that it will be very popular as far as lower end tourny markers go. It will likely give the Ion, Promaster and Wrath a run for their money.

no :( .

ion wins then promaster, wrath, kingman vs, tippmann triumph

[4THDEGREE]

Actually a pretty interesting looking gun. I am still not feeling the rocking trigger though.

[Psycho_warden]

Actually a pretty interesting looking gun. I am still not feeling the rocking trigger though.

I agree, but the new "Infinity" trigger is interesting. Its pretty much a scythe style trigger. It looks like it will almost eliminate the need for an aftermarket trigger on the Spyders, but the switch will probably still be a 200gram switch.

And...Promasters are better than Ions.

[palidon11]

wasnt there a thread on this about a monthe and a half ago?

[splatter effect]

yea this was already discussed to death in kingman. butttt there werent as many pics.

[Mean-Midget]

cool gun but my ion is still better as well as wraths and promasters

[JJW319]

When I saw rhe title I said "Here we go again..."

[TheWonderWaffle]

Saddly, our endless Kingman bashing was deleted :dodgy:

So, they are pictured in the new ad? Is there any info provided?
Knowing Kingman, it just says VS in the bottom corner...

[GamecockFn2]

Whats up with the asa?

[413sonix]

I actually like it. Maybe Kingman is heading in the right direction finally?

[GamecockFn2]

Is the asa on/off?

[globe91]

yea this was already discussed to death in kingman. butttt there werent as many pics.


I am really quite sure we had the same link in some of the Kingman threads. Who knows thugh.

[Sparky_500]

yup, same stuff, old info...

[di$TOrTed]

I am really quite sure we had the same link in some of the Kingman threads. Who knows thugh.

Yeah, very very old. He mentioned something about it in facefull magazine but he couldn't find a link to an article or anything, so now it's the same stuff we've all seen before.

[yustink2much]

I actually like it. Maybe Kingman is heading in the right direction finally?

even if they are the guns will probably cost up near $300-$400

[413sonix]

Yes knowing Kingman they probably will cost that much.:( Man and I thought that I acutally might've bought another Spyder when I'm done with this one.

[TheSpy11]

Just like usual, Kingman is way behind in releasing their new gun. They hype it up for months, the gun misses it's expected release date, and it might turn out to be the same horrible value like the Electra '06.

It's no wonder I've long switched from a Kingman supporter to a Kingman criticizer.

[hunter2]

It looks good but I want to see how it preforms or if kingman screws it up.

[Ebonclaw]

They are apparently some kind of new design of blowback, supposed to be LP out of the box (sub 300 psi)....other than that, no one knows much about the gun's operation, which is the really important thing.
BUt unless this new blowback operation is a small miracle innovation, I' don't see it performing like an EP.

Still, it looks nice, and rumor has it it may be FASOR.

[TheWonderWaffle]

I've finally seen the ads in person, they proport that the VS2 will be capable of 25 bps...so I guess Kingman has either made a fast shooting gun, or just another bb with an uncapped board. :dodgy:

[Pod Clepto]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v322/FLIPPER07/img16042mo.jpg
Im not big into lower guns, but this looks like kingman is slowly, very slowly moving into higher end guns.

[Sheps]

And...Promasters are better than Ions.

I walked into a proshop recently (and after several days of deliberation and chatting with the shop owner); picked up a Promaster, picked up an ION, felt the difference, and said: "Alright, I'm going with the ION". I swear, the first thing that popped into my head when I picked up the Promaster is that it would feel a lot nicer to handle if I Dremelled off that awful hump on the back of the grip frame, which IMO is terribly uncomfortable.

Onto the VS: I doubt it's anything special, Kingman doesn't seem to be able to adapt to the changing market very well; but if they manage to take a step up from the average blowback and put a decent price on it I'll give credit where credit is due.

[Mackinturk]

Looks like a knock-off DM/PM.

[ShOtUp]

was that a joke?:eyes:


I see absolutlety no resemblence

[Sheps]

was that a joke?:eyes:


I see absolutlety no resemblence

Eye covers are reminiscent of the style Dye uses, and the swept forward body above the front block is similar to that of a DM4.

[TheWonderWaffle]

Yeah, it would look almost like a Minion if it didn't have the cocking rod... (which scares me into thinking it's a bb...)

[Devin_]

Dont like the rocking trigger at all. :(

[honda1]

You can get one with or without the rocker, and the design is a balanced valve, which allows the low pressure.

[iridespyder]

It looks like a Freestyle to me.

[HobHayward]

http://spyder.tv/section/products/vs_series/

Prices: $185 for VS2, $230 for VS3

Kingman's got this marker right on spot. It looks sick, and its gonna shoot sick.

Go kingman!

[hurleyhonda22]

Well its not ep, its only a BB

[HoSTiLe]

It looks really bulky to me and without a good reason for it and thats coming from someone that shoots a mech 'cocker (based on pictures from PBNation). Couldn't they have made it a bit smaller? =/

[TimberGhost0417]

Hmm...200 psi operating pressure

[Spyder_Pride]

Actually a pretty interesting looking gun. I am still not feeling the rocking trigger though.

I'm surprised kingman released them that cheap.

[GamecockFn2]

Is the VS2 hp?

[Sparky_500]

no, t'is lp.

[paintballjames]

its just a mediumly upgraded LP imagine with a new body kit for $180

[synkronics]

theres a vs 2 and a vs 3 is there a vs 1?

[di$TOrTed]

theres a vs 2 and a vs 3 is there a vs 1?

No. I don't think kingman knows how to count, it does make me wonder though if they will release like a mech VS and call it the vs1.

[HoSTiLe]

walmart vs=vs1? That really makes me wonder if they're keeping something from us. lol

[jrya07]

yea i cant see making myself playing with one of these unless im desperate of a gun in woodsball

[iliveforthis99]

$185 for the VS2 i guess isn't bad but still i bet the ion, wrath and r3 will be better. $230 for the VS3 however is pretty stupid considering the rocker does nothing really. The wrath ltd, ion and promaster will still be on top.

[Sheps]

$185 for the VS2 i guess isn't bad but still i bet the ion, wrath and r3 will be better. $230 for the VS3 however is pretty stupid considering the rocker does nothing really. The wrath ltd, ion and promaster will still be on top.

The VS2 might be worth the money depending on how well the balance valve and lowered pressure pan out; but the VS3 doesn't have enough different to justify the added cost ($45).

[HoSTiLe]

The VS2 might be worth the money depending on how well the balance valve and lowered pressure pan out; but the VS3 doesn't have enough different to justify the added cost ($45).

haha, what are you talking about? The VS3 looks wayyyy cooler and totally makes it worth $45. ;)

atleast thats how the beginners buying it will see it.

[iliveforthis99]

They're the same gun except for milling and the worthless rocker on the vs3.

[IronCorps]

Worthless? Truely opinion mate ;)

[iliveforthis99]

True but for the option to bounce easier it's not worth it.

[IronCorps]

Each side of the trigger has 2 screws for adjustment, you can set it to true semi, no bounce. Everyone knows that.

[iliveforthis99]

But still is it really worth the extra $45?

[IronCorps]

If you like rockers, it beats paying 100 bucks for one seperately. Rockers also have good resale value, so if you ever got tired of it, or decided to part the gun out, you'd make some money.

[PNK ARMY #21]

actually looks great for kingman

[Trigg3r Happy]

no :( .

ion wins then promaster, wrath, kingman vs, tippmann triumph

More like gun made in someones basement with cardboard> ion> Promaster> wrath> VS> tippy> viewloader (ugh)

lol jj it looks hot but i bet it wont perform.

[hunter2]

More like gun made in someones basement with cardboard> ion> Promaster> wrath> VS> tippy> viewloader (ugh)

lol jj it looks hot but i bet it wont perform.

No

Promaster > wrath > vs > tippy > viewloader > guns made in someones basement with cardboard > ion:dodgy:

[revrebel93]

i had a chance to feel one its actually really nice

[dnk818bd]

well kingmans suprised us all with this one .The olny thing im not liking is the reg and the asa, i think the gun couldve used some miling in the back . looks kinda big near the rear:coon:No doubt about it this is the SICKEST SPYDER ive ever seen

[iliveforthis99]

The you haven't seen very many spimmys.

[Sheps]

No

Promaster > wrath > vs > tippy > viewloader > guns made in someones basement with cardboard > ion:dodgy:

I'm predicting you will last a couple of weeks before getting banned. Nice to meet you though.

Back on topic, anyone use a VS yet? Can anyone say what difference the balance valve makes?

[iliveforthis99]

I haven't yet but am looking forward to if i see one.

[Electra_Pro]

imo these are poorly made guns of bad quality.

[Sheps]

imo these are poorly made guns of bad quality.

Have you actually seen one? And not online; you can make a lot of assumptions from pictures, but if you want to judge quality then you actually have to have seen it up close and personal.

[Electra_Pro]

Have you actually seen one? And not online; you can make a lot of assumptions from pictures, but if you want to judge quality then you actually have to have seen it up close and personal.

no i have not seen one yet, ive only seen pics. but they are designed very close to all the other ones (discluding the valve) and it is be made of the exact same materials as all the other ones. so like all the other ones it will be bad quality.

its just what I think man, its only my opinion.

[Sheps]

no i have not seen one yet, ive only seen pics. but they are designed very close to all the other ones (discluding the valve) and it is be made of the exact same materials as all the other ones. so like all the other ones it will be bad quality.

Not necessarily, Intimidators share a similar outer appearance as some spyders, and yet you wouldn't immediately assume they're low-quality, would you? As far as materials goes: it would be pretty easy for Kingman to fix that, so don't assume that they haven't yet, only time will tell what it turns out like.

[Electra_Pro]

Not necessarily, Intimidators share a similar outer appearance as some spyders, and yet you wouldn't immediately assume they're low-quality, would you? As far as materials goes: it would be pretty easy for Kingman to fix that, so don't assume that they haven't yet, only time will tell what it turns out like.


Intimidators are $600+ and made by a completely different company that makes HIGH-END MARKERS that are fully EP and use a ram and poppit design rather than a spring-forward blowback design.
Bringing Intimidators into this thread is highly unnecessary.

The VS2 + VS3 are low-ends and have nearly the exact same design as all the other electronic Spyder's discluding the new valve and I'm not sure what type of switch is in the trigger frame.

Kingman may have used some different base materials for the VS2 and VS3 but I highly doubt it.

And please don't say anything about my username, I was obviously an idiot when I made this account.

[Sparky_500]

Did you also know what intimidators body's are based off of? You cant say something like this sucks when you don't understand how it works, never seen one, and are ignorant.

[Electra_Pro]

In time we'll see how people like these new markers.

I'am done arguing.

[poopman9201]

Stat time
Ball on ball up to 50 ft stock
+/-3 fps OUT OF THE BOX (before broken in!)

and electra these are quite a bit different.
they work basicly the same, but the bolt, hammer, valve, grips, body(1 peice of alluminum) trigger, have all been redone and lightened up

[Sheps]

Intimidators are $600+ and made by a completely different company that makes HIGH-END MARKERS that are fully EP and use a ram and poppit design rather than a spring-forward blowback design.
Bringing Intimidators into this thread is highly unnecessary.

Really? Because since all you have to go on is the VS's outer appearance and projected pricing I don't think you should be making assumptions about quality, in the same way that you shouldn't judge the quality of; say, an ION based on it's price. Sure it's $200, and in actuality it isn't the highest quality thing to ever come out on the market; but when compared to similarly priced, but much better looking Kingman's it absolutely blows them away. The same goes for many low-ends; the Tippman A5 looks much better, and costs more when cosmetic parts are added than the SP8, but which performs better? How about the ACI Blind Rage? Or even the Trilogy Pro SF cocker (which is technically a high-end, but still relies on the hammer and mainspring combo)?

The VS2 + VS3 are low-ends and have nearly the exact same design as all the other electronic Spyder's discluding the new valve and I'm not sure what type of switch is in the trigger frame.

True, but the problem with low-ends has always been the amount of force needed to pop open the valve, it appears that this may be changing, and it could result in quite a performance difference.

Kingman may have used some different base materials for the VS2 and VS3 but I highly doubt it.

Same here, but even if they tighten up the tolerances a little at their factory's it would make a huge difference in the quality of their end-product.

And please don't say anything about my username, I was obviously an idiot when I made this account.

I wasn't about to open that pandora's box, but since you did...

YOU'RE A NEWB!!! :P

[Sparky_500]

Good job Sheps at proving blowbacks aren't crap!:)

[jonezin_nj]

SHEPS FOR PRESIDENT!

i have to agree with sheps on this. my wrath is actually condidered "high-end" even though it costs less than an A-5.

the vs. looks to be a good design. though everybody is entitled to their opinion, i think their opinion should be based and presented after testing. i personally like blow backs for newer players (Like Electro) because they are easy to strip and maintain as opposed to poppets or spools. i spend less time at the fields fixing problems and more time playing when the new guys get a "starter marker" (ie. spyder, icon, 98c) then a new angel or timmy that their parents bought and they can't figure out.

any new improvements are always held suspect until proven. idiots judge on looks alone.