Marker for Front Tournament Player?

[Ruffneck142000]

My team and I are going to get into alot of tournaments this year, I was wondering what type of marker I should get. I play in the front and was thinking a mag or a cocker. Any Suggestions?

[Dylanb]

I dont think that I would use a cocker as a front player but maybe a B2K2 or impulse those are light and compact.

[RecklessFable]

To an extent, this is another, "how much are you willing to spend" question.


That being said:
Cocker:
If you go to the cocker forum you'll see a lot of discussion about upgrades and tweaking. They are great for people who like to tinker. It is generally accepted that once you have them running well, LEAVE THEM ALONE and you'll be fine.

You have to dump in some money to get one that has sufficiently short trigger pull to make short-stroking a non-issue.

Personally, I don't like having the back block in my face when I'm tight against a bunker. But I do want to build one some day since they are the most personalizable markers out there.

Mag:
I've never seen an easier marker to maintain. Great out of the box. Cost-effective.

I own one, yes they are a little harsher on paint than LOW PRESSURE markers. Compared to regular pressure markers, they are just about the same, but yes, they do chop more in the cold.

For a front player, I'd suggest a used MicroMag. Markers doesn't get any smaller than a MicroMag. They are cocker threaded, so you have more barrel choices. They are vertical feed. Powerfeeds can get way too gummed up when you chop. This is true for all powerfeeds.

Used Mags are a great value because they are so hard to screw up.

Electros:
Where the world is going. I get shot at by them a lot.

Intimidator:
My friend's Intimidator just freaking rocks. The LP Mod makes it whisper quiet. But like most LP mods, it uses a little more air than my mag.

Bushmaster:
I've been looking into this myself. I haven't played with one so I can't tell if they are as good as people say, but they cost about the same as a new GenX-3 Cocker, hard to argue with that value...

[VeNoM]

well any marker that you are comfortable with will be able to play in the front, so it depends what YOU want. i can say that my bushy was an awesome marker for front and close playing. it was light, compact and well balanced so snap shooting was great with it. my new gun is great too though . . . do you want to be able to shoot fast? if you want speed i would go electronic, if you prefer a little more accuracy at not such a high rate (and not have to worry about electronics, because they can go down) i would say go with a cocker.

[jaronervin]

I wouldn't go with an electro. I hear most of them are heavy. I know from personal experience that shockers alone are heavier than a cocker w/ a steel nitro! I like my cocker, I haven't had a bad problem w/ short-stroking. You can also fix short-stroking by timing it, so I'd go with the cocker as a front man.

[Ruffneck142000]

I been looking at impulses and I am seriously considering getting one.

[Splash]

the vision impy is insanly light thatd be my choice if i wasnt so in luv with my cocker

[VeNoM]

Originally posted by jaronervin
I wouldn't go with an electro. I hear most of them are heavy.

my old bushy was the lightest marker i have ever held and played with. it was FAR from heavy . . . i recomend a bushy or cocker . . .

[jaronervin]

I could be wrong about most electros, but have you ever felt the shocker?? That thing needs some improvement. I'd recommend a cocker or lightweight electro, such as a bushy or impy.

[chill311pb]

i used to play front man with a mag. the mag is def. not a good gun up front unless you know you are not going to chop paint. Electros are light as hell. they are more reliable than a mag would be especally up front. i would go with a bushy or a impulse.

[VeNoM]

ya the shocker is a little bulky and heavy, but its not unmanageable unless your a youngster or very weak. . . the shockers weight is made up in performance, they are great guns. not the best for front though since they are not as light and small as some, but if you are comfortable with one with a drop and shorter barrel (shorter than the stock 16") it would be ok. my vote stays the same, bushy/impy or cocker.

[Ruffneck142000]

I started out playing with a raptor with a 20oz. tank so I don't think weight will be a problem. Which marker would you suggest a shocker or a impulse?

[VeNoM]

the imp will be lighter and much easier to manage in tight situations and it will be more efficient. i think the shocker may perform slightly better, but is that slight performance worth the cost, weight, inefficiency and size? i dont think so . . . i would preer the imp over shocker (unless the shocker was set up nicely)

[Ruffneck142000]

how much more is a shocker then a impulse?

[VeNoM]

depends. . . used, older shockers (99) are usually about the same orcheaper than impies sometimes. new, they are about $150 or so more than a standard imp. . . i think, some one feel free to correct me if i'm not.

[Slug]

If you love to tinker and have a lot of cash and really dont care about a super high rate of fire i would go with a cocker. Look at some of these prices
2002 autococker vf 340
hinge trigger 100 (almost a neccesity for short trigger pull)
Good 3-way 40 (a very nice thing to have)
nice secondary reg 80 (manditory unless u get a nice nitro)
nitro tank a lot of $$$
Due to this i would rather get a timmy. u said wieght would not really be that much of a problem so u can manage its large size.Also if you ever get pinned down the timmy can really help u out with a insanely high rate of fire.(1mm) trigger pull.
So my vote goes to the timmy.:eyes:

[july_favre]

Cocker are probably the least reliable high end gun. They require alot of attention and you have to know them in and out so you can fix it quickly inbetween games if it goes down or even during the game if you can.
You definately cant throw it in your bag at the end of the day and leave it there until you want to play everytime again like alot of electros.
Its all worth it though if you like cockers.

[133+ Player]

Well....*puts on his flame retardent suit*

I will get flamed for this no dobt but i'd upgrade a spyder with LCD trigger new bolt, new barrel, grippies, and maybe a Halo if u have High End Budget. Could Go flash and skip the LCD. And IN My opinion they are light guns
*closes his eyes and covers his eyebrows*

[anchorite]

I'd go with impy....
definatley.
great tournament markers for the price, faster than mag and cockers, reliable, easy to upgrade when you want too, but dont need to. my dad is a front player on one of the teams I am on and he shoots one.
they shoot darts.
they are fast and accurate as hell.
not quite as good range as shocker, but still shoot beautifully.
check out
www.e-paintballoutlet.com

FOM could hook you up.
(I play front... I shoot a matrix)

whoever said electros are heavy is a moron.

[Ruffneck142000]

I played with a guy that had a shocker over the weekend. All a can say is wow. He was pinning people down at ranges where all the other guns had trouble reaching. I think im going with a impulse because of it. I don't really need the distance but acuracy is a must for me.

[anchorite]

impys come more compact, which is a must for front players.
although weight is not an issue (and shouldnt be) size is.
14in (or 16in even???) stock AA barrels on the front of an already above average size body is absurd... it is tough to pop out of bunkers.
I have trouble with my matrix (which Is why I am getting IR3)

probably the best setup for you would be this:

Impulse
-voodoo fullflow
-gadget grip (unless you must have vert reg... honestly though, bottom reg isnt bad
-wermstick trigger
-voodoo delrin bolt
-voodoo low rise (I love low rises)

there, you have spent maybe $550, you have a top of the line impulse (non vision), which will be fast as hell, consistent, reliable, easy to maintain, and will shoot darts (the accuracy will amaze you)!!!!

I am one of the biggest supporters of impulses on the net (who actually doesnt play with one myself... lol) but I believe in them enough to buy my dad one.

you definatley cannot go wrong with the impulse.

and you can get the best deals, and support from FOM at
www.e-paintballoutlet.com

goodluck with the impulse. (you must get one!!!!)

[anchorite]

the barrels I was talking about at the top of my last post was on shockers...... they are large.
impys are not.


go impy

[KallenP]

Personaly I am a cocker fan.

Cocker

GOOD
Autocockers have a good rof, and some have as good as electros. They are accurate and its shots have flater trajectories. They can be as compact as you want them to be.
Low presseur good for handling tourny paint.

Bad
Block can be annoying but nothing big. Work is sometimes required but most of what people say is stereotypes. Autocockers require work but not as much as people say or as bad as people say.

Overall
Autococker good for every position but preference of an electro upfront is the mainstream at the preasent.


Impulse

GOOD
High ROF, Light wieght, Compact, Can have vis sight.

Bad
When electros go down, they go "down". Not very customizable if that even maters or if they even need it. Remember to turn it on!:D

Overall
Good front gun high rof, like all electros is mainly rof and can be beat out in accuracy and flat trajectory by Cockers. Is a good electro and a good idea for front. Back possibilities is a no no.


Shocker

GOOD
Accurate not as mucha s a cocker. Flat trajectory. Fast ROF, super low presseure best gun for not breaking paint.

BAD
Heavy, bulky.

Overall
Accurate but really dosnt have a good spot on the field. Good for sweatspotting on the break. Not worth paying attention to till it is more improved.


Automag

GOOD
Compact light, good rof

BAD
High presseur not to easy on the paint.

Overall
Good for front and cheap. But if your going to get a mag might as well just get a electro.


Tippman

Good
its a tank!

Bad
Not really high performance but can be molded twords it. Is way to long.

Overall
Not a big tourny gun or good for a front player.


Spyder

Good
Cheap, lightwieght

Bad
If your going to be serious why? Kingman mass produces.

Overall
Not a big tourny gun good for a front player though.


Angel

Good
Rof, quality, customizable now. Awsome front gun.

Bad
Price

Overall
Basically is just rof too like an impy. Awsome for front but if I had a choice I would keep the extra money and just buy an impy because it is just rof.



What I use: Cocker

What I think you should get: Cocker

What I think for you should get based on what I have seen you say: Impulse

[anchorite]

I agree with what the guy above me says except this:
electro's dont really go down all that much (as long as you keep them clean!!!!)
impys have more than rof.

angels have way more than a high rof... they have the highest rof availible, they shoot darts when clean, they are reliable, when the DO go down, they have the best warrantys. (sp?)

other than that you said everything I had to say.

what I own: matrix for now (ordered IR3)
what 2 players on my team shoot: impy
what I would buy: angel
what YOU should buy (for your price range): impulse...
shouldnt even consider anything else.

[Ruffneck142000]

Here's the setup I will probably get:

Cave Rat- Black Blast Rat Impulse
Grips: Green Stickys
Insert size: Freak Insert 689
Board set: Vision
Drop forward: Kapp DZII w ASA
Total: $925.00


What nitro tank would you suggest?

[jaronervin]

WDP or crossfire

[RecklessFable]

Originally posted by 133+ Player
Well....*puts on his flame retardent suit*
<snip>*closes his eyes and covers his eyebrows*
What's worse, getting flamed or getting ignored? ;)

[KallenP]

Cheap

Metal stubbs 68ci 3000psi tank.

Expensive

ACI Bulldog 68ci or 91ci carbon fiber tanks.

[Moose]

WDP or crossfire

wow, what a wide variety

one tank is about $500 and the other is about $100

just thought that was kinda funny :laugh:

[jaronervin]

yeah, I know. WDP is probably one of the best tanks, and crossfire is the best value (overall price and quality).

[Autococker0286]

Go with the cocker

[jaronervin]

ummm, autococker0286, we're already past the gun subject. Do you have a suggestion as to what n2 system should be recommended?

[VeNoM]

Originally posted by Ruffneck142000

What nitro tank would you suggest?

well with the max flow inline i dont really see a need to put alot of money into a tank (i.e. an a.i.r. as suggested) i would say that it would be wise to get a fast recharging tank, like a centerflag or something. ive had good luck with my hyperflow and they are decently priced (i think they have them for like $220, they being epaintball). thats my opinion . . .

[bushyman2]

if you want i have a black b2k its really light and has a few upgrades for it i want to sell it so let me know how much u would give me for it ne way its a black b2k, a 14in dye aluminum, a chrome tko cradle, clear dye stickys, black macroline setup, a 48/3000 nitro tank, this gun is b2k with the 2002 milling and the stock 2 piece which works really good its light small fast and quite its everything you would need for a front player make me a good offer and ill think bout sellin it not too low though its basically brand new i bout it like 3 weeks ago and its not wut i wanted so i want to sell it for a different gun please let me know thanks

[SEPHIROTH_086]

Impy, RT Mag, Bushy, Shocker

[Ruffneck142000]

I was looking into getting a Viking, what do you know about it?

[Splash]

anything made by AKalmp is qualitiy so the viking would be good,,,but id go matrix,,or vision impy

[Ruffneck142000]

have you ever shot a viking, to be able to compare it to a impy or matrix

[Splash]

just going with popularity, and how easy it would be to fix because of it,, everyone wouldhave parts,, since those markers are every were

[Ruffneck142000]

Viking is made 45min away from me so that wouldn't be a problem

[Splash]

then go for it,,

[monkeybacon00]

cockers are very good guns, accuracy is sweet, size is fine. But its a very complicated gun and you dont want to take it apart unless you know what you are doing.

Yes a shocker is bulkier and heavier, but if you complain about weight you need to take yourself a little trip to the gym. Accuracy if you ask me is just as good as a cocker but i dont know much about cockers so feel free to correct me.

If I had to make a decision between a shocker and an impulse, i would take shocker. I dont know if this is true but a shocker owner at my field said that the shocker is a closed bolt gun (more accurate) while the impulse isnt. a week ago i was also having trouble deciding between shocker and impy but now ive decided shocker and im sticking to it.

its ok to be scared, YOU SHOULD BE

[jaronervin]

I dont know if this is a fact, but a lot of people say that closed or open bolt doesn't make a difference.