hey my tippy is on the verge of getting tricked and i wanna no wut this low pressure

[PB KIX AZZ]

ok is it better to get low pressure kit for my tippy or get a nitro tank? i mean i dont understand, what does the lp kit do exactly that makes it nice and expensive, if lp kit makes it shoot weaker and not as far, then screw it because i heard with a lp kit u can get like 2000 shots on a 20 oz....please fill me in someone

[StealthElephant]

LP Kit lowers the operating pressure of the gun (duh)

With CO2 you get ALOT of air at once forcing the ball out, with HPA you get a low pressure of air hitting it, but I have no idea really.......................something about Nitro makes it so that there is less pressure on the ball, while shooting it more consistently and farther.

If you get the LP you'll need a Nitro tank anyway because Co2 wouldn't be good for LP internals. You can use nitro w/o the LP kit, you'll have the advantages of nitro(consistency) without the lower operating pressure.

SOmeone explain to him and me what LP does.....I forget...I used to know

[Johnstarrwalkon]

It's all about gas efficency. an LP Kit on a Tippy will give you, about 500 more shots, for your 20oz tank than you had without it.

[The Mafia]

First of all, do not use CO2 with the lp kit. This would not be good. The kit was engineered specifically for HPA and using CO2 would be both detrimental and foolish.

As for what the LP kit does, it lowers the opperating pressure of the marker from about 800psi to 300-400psi. What this pressure drop accomplishes is a greater shot to shot consistency in terms of accuracy, ie you will have greatly reduced velocity spikes and tighter shot groupings.

Will you get more shots per tank with the kit? Unfortunately, no. You will, in fact, get less. Because the marker is now cycling at a pressure decrease of 400-500psi, a longer pulse of air is needed to propel the ball up to 280-300 feet per second. So you will be using more air in the long run. The argument is that, given your increased accuracy, you won't need as many shots, so the fact that you get fewer shots per tank shouldn't matter.

Now for pure opinion, I really don't think this kit is worth it. First of all, it's really expensive. The kit itself costs about $120, but you're not done there. You cannot use this kit without a secondary regulator, and one is not included in the kit. A quality reg will run you about $100. Secondly, this kit is not for use with CO2, so if you don't have a HPA tank, you will have to buy one. That's going to be $150 for an entry level unit. You are now at $370. For that amount of money you could buy a high end marker, such as a powerfeed Automag or a variety of others. Or you could buy 3 more Model 98's. Also, if you have a quality barrel, such as the Lapco Bigshot or the J&J ceramic, your marker is already going to be about as accurate as it can get.

[MethodusMaster]

Mafia is right, Tipp designed the LP kit to work with HPA and Nitro NOT CO2. and anways it works WAY better with HPA/N2 that it does with CO2 ( I should know, I have it on my M98C)

[lvlatt]

wow, thats alot of wrong info...
first: you will get better efficiency if the LP is setup right.
second: you can use co2...but you basically need a stabilizer, antisiphon...i ahve seen angels that were run off this co2 setup back when HPA/nitro/whatever was not common. i run my gun off LP regulated co2 at about 350 psi.
third: LP will give you better efficiency, better consistency (accuracy), and will quiet down the gun...as well as reduce kick.
fourth: thats not an argument at all mafia, get the facts straight
fifth: you should get a nitro tank for the sheer simplicity. you can run nitro off a tippy and get little to no improvement over co2 because tippys handle co2 very well. if you go LP, you will get more shots per tank, and the consistency will be noticable.
sixth: the system costs so much because you need a regulator to lower the pressure (unless you have an adjustable tank, even then a secondary reg is a good idea). then you need a bolt that can be blown back easier, you need (sort of) a LP chamber (or volumizer) to hold a volume of LP gas reserve for the valve. this is because air will obviously move slower when it is at lower pressures. finally you need a new valve with higher flow. not sure if the kit comes with that (does it). tippmann makes high flow valves already, but higher flow is nice. i know i needed a modified valve on my procarbine to get the pressure lower.
seventh: the gun will shoot just as far, dont worry about having no range. LP just increases flow rate and decreases pressure.

please dont just guess on answers. you dont wanna feed people wrong answers

[Meph]

you could buy a high end marker, such as a powerfeed Automag

HA! Oh man, that was worth a good laugh. Thanks for that one, I needed it.

Oh, and it looks like Matt beat me to it. Oh well.

[F355DUDE]

Does anyone have any idea how many shots I will get from a 48ci 3000psi nitro tank with the LP kit? Thanks a lot

[Meph]

I would suspect something over the mark of 500 shots for a full tank. I'd guess 550 shots. Don't quote me, I'm only making a guesstimate. Because the LP kit does make the 98 a little more efficient, I just don't know how much more efficient yet.

[F355DUDE]

Originally posted by Meph
I would suspect something over the mark of 500 shots for a full tank. I'd guess 550 shots. Don't quote me, I'm only making a guesstimate. Because the LP kit does make the 98 a little more efficient, I just don't know how much more efficient yet.
Thank you. I will test sometime and get the exact amount.

[The Mafia]

Hey Ivlatt. I never attacked anyone here so I don't know why you felt the need to attack me. As for your post, I will address your points one by one. I apologize to everyone elso for the length, but I don't know a better way to do this.
first: you will get better efficiency if the LP is setup right
I already said this.
second: you can use co2...but you basically need a stabilizer, antisiphon...i ahve seen angels that were run off this co2 setup back when HPA/nitro/whatever was not common. i run my gun off LP regulated co2 at about 350 psi.
I never said you couldn't run this kit off of CO2. I said it was not a good idea, which it's not. For starters, Tippmann calls this kit the "Nitrogen/Compressed Air Kit". Notice CO2 is not in the title. Why? Because this kit was specically engineered with the sole intent of having N2 run through it. This is directly off the Tippmann website: "A nitrogen bottle and secondary regulator are not included in this kit, but are required". Why would Tippmann require you to buy something that was optional for this kit? Probably because they never intended the kit to be used with CO2.
third: LP will give you better efficiency, better consistency (accuracy), and will quiet down the gun...as well as reduce kick
I already said it would make the gun more efficient/accurate. As for quieting the gun and reducing kick, that was new information on your part. Thank you for contributing.
fourth: thats not an argument at all mafia, get the facts straight
This is just a personal attack on your part. If you had any command of the English language, then you would know that the word arguement has different meanings and doesn't necessarily mean that it's possibly devoid of truth.
fifth: you should get a nitro tank for the sheer simplicity. you can run nitro off a tippy and get little to no improvement over co2 because tippys handle co2 very well. if you go LP, you will get more shots per tank, and the consistency will be noticable.
I already said your consistency would be increased. As for N2 not being an improvement on its own, N2 is a much more stable and consistent system than CO2. It won't freeze your internals. Its pressure isn't affected by ambient temperature. Also, industrial grade CO2, which every PB field, PB store and proshop in the world uses, is a very dirty and impure substance. These impurites will wear out your markers internals significantly faster than N2 will. How can you not consider all these facts improvements? As for the shots per tank issue, this is directly off the Tippmann website: "With the operating pressure around 350psi the valve opens much easier, but also requires a larger amount of gas flow to maintain ball velocity". How can you have a larger total amount of gas flow and end up with more shots per tank? Is this some sort of magic? I am also not the only one in this forum who has mentioned this. If you browse the posts you will find more who have said the same thing. I have an email into Tippmann Tech about this issue. When they respond (which they will: Tippmann customer service is first rate) I will be happy to share whatever information they give me.
sixth: the system costs so much because you need a regulator to lower the pressure (unless you have an adjustable tank, even then a secondary reg is a good idea). then you need a bolt that can be blown back easier, you need (sort of) a LP chamber (or volumizer) to hold a volume of LP gas reserve for the valve. this is because air will obviously move slower when it is at lower pressures. finally you need a new valve with higher flow. not sure if the kit comes with that (does it). tippmann makes high flow valves already, but higher flow is nice. i know i needed a modified valve on my procarbine to get the pressure lower.
I already listed the reasons, including the regulator, that the kit was expensive. Also, you don't even know if the kit comes with the valve or not (it does, by the way). Why are you telling someone they're wrong about something that you don't even know all the facts on yourself?
seventh: the gun will shoot just as far, dont worry about having no range. LP just increases flow rate and decreases pressure.
I never said anything regarding range being affected, so I guess you're just adding information here.
please dont just guess on answers. you dont wanna feed people wrong answers
I completely agree with you. When someone asks a question in this forum, you are doing them a disservice by answering them if you really don't know what your talking about. But I have backed up everything I said, so who's the guesser? Also if you read our 2 original posts, you'll find that our only main point of difference is on the shots per tank issue, so I don't know why you felt my entire post was off base.

P.S. You have the sweetest Pro/Carbine I have ever seen...Excellent job!