Tournaments and Spyders

[ElectricHead]

Does anyone here use or have seen someone use a spyder in a tournament? I actually have a clone and im gonna upgrade the hell out of it, but if in some time i decide to go tourney will i have to switch to a higher level gun or what?

[ToiletSiphon]

I know that some people use their spyders in tournament, but they are very upgraded. Those people have spend about 500$ on theirs spyders and are able to make them operate a about 250 psi. I can become very expensive... but it's fun! With the new elcd grip frame, you can even turn your spyder into an electro gun. But the biggest problem of the spyder is that, even when he's tricked out, you loose some accuracy because of the kick created by the blowback mode of operation of the spyders. I suggest you to try a mag, a cocker or any "high-end" gun before starting to invest a lot of money in you spyder. If after this you still prefer the feel of the spyder, keep it!

[ToiletSiphon]

If you want to see some tricked out spyders, go at http://www.g3pb.com in the project section. They also give great tips on how to upgrade your spyder and theirs prices are good.

[ElectricHead]

I already got my spyder and ill just sell it and get a new TL gun if i ever wanna go tourney but i was just wondering cause im only gonna spend around 300 on my gun and upgrades total so ill be able to kick my friends asses and i thought it would be cool if i could do tourney with my current gun, but im pretty sure that in a few years ill switch to a cocker.

Thanks alot for the help

[Brazen]

ya thats cool, but its amazing how many people are going electric......even tippmans have full auto upgrades. soon autocockers will be the only non electric gun. and also kingman came out with an electric piece of junk ball breaker. it scares me................................................ ..............................electrics stink!!!!!!!!!!!

[ElectricHead]

i dislike electrics alot, why spend the extra 300 for a tournament level electric when you cant even use any of the good modes in tournaments

[Counterfeit]

Originally posted by Brazen
soon autocockers will be the only non electric gun.

Uh autocockers can be upgraded to electro, just look at the sandridge.

[Richy_C]

Hey, look at bushys and impulses, they are nice electrics, but i back to the thread, i love my spyder,it's super tricked, but i'm keeping as a back upfor when i get my defiant with a choas chip, mmmmm chaos chib, ooooo 20 bps, tourney legal turbo, yummy :-P

[elTwitcho]

Man, why does everyone assume the only reason to get an electronic is to use full auto or turbo. Almost anyone who owns an electronic gun would agree with me when i say they're just there for novelty purposes. The idea is to have more firing modes to try and get sales and make your gun look good, that's not the point of getting an electronic marker though. The reason to get an electronic marker is quite simply rate of fire. People with a fast trigger finger can get up to the speeds that full auto offers and this can only(*almost) be attained with an electronic trigger. For one thing, the trigger pull is far lighter and shorter, because you arent dealing with a sear, you're dealing with closing a switch. With an electronic trigger you can actually go so far as to have 0 resistance to your trigger (which is bad though, because then it wont bounce back), and trigger pulls of under one millimeter are common. Also, electronic markers are better at higher rates of fire (most of the time) than other markers because that rather than being mechanically timed, all the timing is done by a computer which controls the opening and closing of valves/solenoids etc. If you'd ever fired an electroneumatic gun, you'd agree on their supperiority to 95% of all mechanically operated markers.

[ElectricHead]

all that may be true but you are still just setting yourself up to waste paint

[butt kicker]

i have a spyder compact 2000 that i have $300 in upgrades and for a year or so i ues it in tournaments in the south east some people will say ues a cocker or a mag i say use what you got now i have a 2000 cocker and it is more accurate but the spyder with the upgrades has the same rof and has never let me down i have ran 35 cases of paint in it and in all that time i put 1 o-ring and a cup seal that is it and out of all that paint i have broke 23 balls somr people will not respect a spyder but with a few upgrades you will have a good tournament ready gun

[Paintball Monkey]

We actually had a guy that uses a Spyder on our 3-man team. The funny thing is that his Spyder went down right before a game, while my Defiant and my buddy's Dark Angel LCD were strong all day.

[ElectricHead]

how did his spyder just "go down"?

[PBSouLjAh]

okay....because we are talking about a cheap stock gun and tourneys....... if someone as a joke carried a talon with a 3oz tank into a tourney (with his dark angel he is actually gonna use) do you think the people there will let them in? i dare someone to do it and see.

[Counterfeit]

Yeah any one can enter a tourney. They don't care if you have a talon. The other players would laugh at you though.

[ElectricHead]

some day ill actually do a tourney with a talon... and win!

[Richy_C]

::Snort:: ::giggle giggle:: go right ahead, but if you do, show us some pics!

[ElectricHead]

I will! you wait and see

[Paintball Monkey]

We think it was the sear...the gun kept "farting". CO2 wasn't to blame because he was using HPA, and yes there was air in it. The gun was working fine with this setup before the tournament.

[ElectricHead]

i see, how long had he been using this gun?

[Paintball Monkey]

I have no idea, but it is a newer gun...

[Richy_C]

is it fixed? make sure you oil the sears one your blowbacks people!

[elTwitcho]

Setting myself up to waste paint? That's one of the stupidest prejudices I've ever heard and for some reason I keep hearing it. I can (and do) shoot 14 paintballs per second. Do I waste paint though? No, never. I have seen people with tippmans and it's 6-7 bps rate of fire waste paint, and they didnt have electronic markers now did they? Balls per second doesnt relate to wasting paint, it relates to having a marked advantage over your opponent. Wasting paint is when you fire at a bunker after your opponent has already ducked behind it and is out of sight. I've seen alot more people with lower end guns doing this than people with electronic markers. Why use a higher rate of fire? well here it is.

Paintballs, no matter what, are not bullets. After a certain range, they become inacurate. Pumpgun, Cocker, Angel, Shocker, Flatline M98.... there will always come a point where you cannot guarantee a 1 shot kill. Therefore, you must rely on sending more shots toward your opponent to increase the likelyhood of hitting them. If you catch an opponent totally exposed at long range, you start shooting at them, soon enough, they are going to realise paint is landing around them and they will move to new cover. If you can fire more shots before he has a chance to react, you have an advantage. Electros give you an advantage in a big way because in paintball you only have a limmited time to take advantage of a shot. Such as if you are snapshooting, you pop up for a very brief second, take a few shots and duck back. An electro allows you to take more shots before ducking back and thus helping your game.

I shoot 14 bps therefore I'm guaranteed to waste paint. I guess it wouldnt matter if I told you I've never used more than a full hopper in a game, would it?

[ElectricHead]

shut up eltwitch, i didnt say you were guarunteed to waste paint, i said was implying that it would be much easier to waste paint with that high of an ROF, for instance holding the trigger a second too long, or anything, and i was refering to myself anyway, i dont need to be able to shoot 20 bps to hit someone, so why get a gun that can shoot that fast?

[elTwitcho]

It's semi-auto everywhere anyways, so you'd be surprised how easy it is to control your paint usage despite high rate of fire

[Paintball Monkey]

I find the high rate of fire to be useful when I am shooting off the break. The more paint I can put between the guys breaking out and the bunker they are going to, the better y chances of hitting them are. Hitting someone off the break with one shot (or the equivalent) is very unlikely. There are times when accuracy by volume is necessary.

[Auctionjunkie!]

Originally posted by ElectricHead
Does anyone here use or have seen someone use a spyder in a tournament? I actually have a clone and im gonna upgrade the hell out of it, but if in some time i decide to go tourney will i have to switch to a higher level gun or what?
At the 2000 NAAPSA Nationals the winning team had a player who used a Spyder Compact. It had a duckbill bottom line with a 68 ci nitro tank. It was an older model and pretty much stock. It wasn't the gun, it was the player.
Dan
Manager, Team Wiseguys

[Auctionjunkie!]

Originally posted by Brazen
ya thats cool, but its amazing how many people are going electric......even tippmans have full auto upgrades. soon autocockers will be the only non electric gun. and also kingman came out with an electric piece of junk ball breaker. it scares me................................................ ..............................electrics stink!!!!!!!!!!!

Sorry to burst your bubble but the Sandridge Force Five is an electric version of the 'Cocker. It has a lot of problems but it's available if you want to spend the money.
Dan
Manager, Team Wiseguys

[MuckRaker]

This wasted paint thing, I don't know, I mean, most people on my field carry semis, who wants someone walking on with a Twitcho-Matic 5000 shooting unGodly amounts of paint. Sure it's an advantage, but this ain't real war and it gives that person a decidely unfair advantage. As for wasting paint. If you're shooting 13 BPS and you hold the trigger down for five seconds, that's 65 paintballs, and if none of them hit, what was the point of unloading all that paint. If only one of them hits, you're average hit to miss ratio is still incredibly low. Afterall, the marker is only as good as the person using it.

:) :) :eek: :) :)

[Paintball Monkey]

I own an electro and some games I don't even use a hopper while others I use 600+ rounds. I personally don't look for the realism of war when I play paintball, but it sure is nice to have the fire power when you need it.

On another subject these discussions about semi vs electro sure do remind me of the arguments of pump vs autotrigger; pump vs semi. Technology, whether you like it or not, is going to advance and that is just the way it is. I am sure some people love driving older cars, but just because one person thinks driving a '65 cadillac is better than driving a '01 Cadillac doesn't mean the industry should stick to 1965's standards. Get my point? Electros are here to stay, and, unfortunately for those who dislike them, you will eventually have to deal with them whether you are playing with one or against one.

[TLplus84]

paintball monkey is right. I have a hooked up Spyder Tl+. I mean...i can keep my own you know? but in a contest of who shoots faster me or some guy with same skills with a Dark Angel LCD, of course he's gonna win not just because of the player, but because of technology. Technology advances are what makes the world go round. If you live in the past, then you are not looking into the future. WOW that sounded really smart...ok since that's over i'd like to say that i've entered into a couple tourneys with my TL and I HAVE been laughed at..but then i was the one laughing when in a game i shot those ANgel worshipers in the goggle..hehe

[Richy_C]

The only real advantage i can see to an electro is sweet snap shooting, but that doesn't mean there aren't others

[elTwitcho]

I dont see why everyone bad mouthes electros. They arent the death of the sport, and until they get laser guided paintballs working out, they dont give an insurmountable advantage to a player. You still have to use good tactics to win even with an electro. They are so much better than regular semis, and that really isnt a bad thing for the sport. It's a great thing, we now have guns that shoot faster, easy trigger pull and are very reliable. True they are expensive and out of the new players reach, but anyone semi interested in paintball can afford to drop the 500 dollars for a low end electro like the impulse, which is still a great gun, and a complete blast to fire. Electropneumatic guns are your friends people... come to this side of the fence and give em a try before you decide they're the downfall of our sport.

[MuckRaker]

I wouldn't, and don't think I did, say they were the downfall of the sport. but around here, many of the fields don't allow players to use electro guns set to burst or full auto because they do give the owner a decided advantage over walkon players and Rec players with semis. Whether they're a blast to use, I don't know cause I've never used one. As for a lowend being $500, it's still outta my price range. As for using them in tourney play, again, I'm not the one to say whether it's a good thing or not.

I wouldn't say that I'm against technology. As y'all have pointed out, it's here to stay and it will continue to make the guns bigger, better, stronger, faster, etc. This is good. and I'm sure that Electros have a place on the field, my point is: Is it's place on the Rec field (in masse) against the majority of players who use semis? My first inclination is to say no. Why, because everyone who walks on a field, pays rental fees, buys paint, pays field fees, etc., deserves to leave that field with a good experience.

That's what builds repeat business for the fields. It you have just one or two players with electros, blasting people out left and right, then the walkons leave disillusioned, disgruntled or down right P***ed. And they probably won't come back. Let's face it, the majority of players on rec fields are (at least the one's I've been too) don't own their own equipment and are having to rely on rental equipment (and that already puts them at a disadvantage against players like me who have a modestly priced semi and other gear.

Flame me if you want, it's just my penny's worth.

[ElectricHead]

Im sorry to dissapoint you twitch but i didnt say that electros were the downfall of the sport, and i definately didnt say that semis are better, i was implying in all seriousness that i do not think they are worth the money.... might as well just get a semi sense in most cases you cant use all the different modes in rec places (at least around here), plus as for the accuracy by volume but thats all well and good, but i can shoot in volumes with only 7-8 bps, i dont need 16.

[TLplus84]

yeah i'm not badmouthing electros...i'm jsut saying that they are not the best thing that has happened to Paintball ya know?

[elTwitcho]

You know, I didnt intend to start anything with this, I like you both and you raise good points. I just want to say for the last time (god I hope so :)) that high rate of fire doesnt mean wasting paint, nor does high rate of fire mean overshooting. When i step onto a walk on game I am very very aware that some people are intimidated by my gun. But if someone makes a comment like "Oh dont light us up" I always explain to them that I never have lit anyone up, and I never will, so they dont need to worry. As for electro's causing bad experiences, I dont really think that's the case. True it is intimidating, but that's why I dont go around saying "14 balls in one second, bet ya dont want to get in front of me eh? I'll light your dumb *** up". I still have the same attitude I've always had, and that is that turning people away from the sport for petty enjoyment is stupid. I always answer questions people ask me about my gun, their gun, what tactics they could use, I always try and give advice to anyone who asks it, and if someone looks really nervous about their first game I explain to them that it doesnt hurt, and I cover em for the first little while of the game just so they can get settled in. After a while, nobody becomes worried about my gun, and nobody thinks I'm gonna be the worlds best player and eliminate 90% of the oposing team just because I have money to spend (too bad, I like people thinking I'm the best, lol :P ), and people just get more comfortable. I personally go out of my way to make the game more enjoyable for new players because that is what some people did for me my first game, and if not for them I may have decided paintball was too scary and stopped playing. I still think, that it is the player not the gun that intimidates. I've seen guys with Tippmans posturing to try and look cool and tough to the new players, letting off long rapid strings of shots before the game starts just to rattle people, and these same people are the ones who overshoot. Aot of people buy electros because they love the game and are willing to take the big hit to the wallet. And alot of people who love the game realise that getting people to come back is only going to make the game 10 times better for everyone. My hopes, are that some of the people I'm nice to go out and buy equiplment and come back to help out other players because that's what paintball is about. I really dont know what it's like in your areas, but up here at my field, strangers can come up and talk to anyone, and everyone is super friendly to each other (save a few of the afformentioned d1ckheads) and the atmosphere is so relaxed and friendly that intimidation doesnt become a big factor. As for the ignorant people who like to intimidate others, lets just say that at my field we go out of our way to bunker these guys, and if they wonder why everyone gangs up on em, we let em now. Sorry if it sounded like I was flaming either of you two, 'cause I didnt mean it to sound that way, I just hate when people get the wrong impression about me or the people I play with.

[MuckRaker]

I respect your opinion Twitcho ... and I'd be happy to have you on my team, or even on the opposing team. You're right, a lot of people (regardless of the marker they own) do try to act like Bill ******, and that does intimidate a lot of new players who may never come back to the field, and that's a shame. Personally, I'd love to have the money to buy a more advanced marker, but for now I'm happy with my STS (Plus I've got to trick that mother out before I can consider selling it for another).

You also make a good point about helping new players. When I answer newbie questions and give them advice on the best way to play a certain field or a certain game, it does make it more enjoyable, not just for the newbie, but for me also. If I do a good job at it, that person will probably come back, buy a marker, ask more questions, get friends to come to the field, etc. so let's just lay this silly argument to rest. :)

[TLplus84]

nah man you weren't flaming me..i just thought it was just part of the discussion...haha i didnt' mean to piss you off or nothing..cool thing we straightened this out or else i might've had to "light you up" hahaha...ok i'll stop..LOL

[elTwitcho]

Deal

[TLplus84]

no offense on that last comment too