Why New Paintballes should never buy BE

[tviz]

Ok, to start, ill say that this is open to critisisim. Please dont flame, respond with something constructive.

And also could a mod please change the title to why new PAINTBALLERS should never buy BE

So alas, lets get to the topic, why SHOULDENT new paintballers use brass eagel stuff.

Well, lets start off with some comparisons: there paint compaired to some cheap grade paint at the local paintball store.

BE----(the stardard stuff not the tiger shot or whatever)----Breaks in gun, Deformed, dose not break on target for the most part, you cannot shoot thru a break, but is a tiny bit cheaper, and i mean a tiny bit.

Lowest grade at paintball store----Never breaks in gun, has dimples but is not deformed, you can shoot through a break with reduced accuracy and has about the same break on target rate as the BE. Its about $2-3 more expensive per thousand, your choice.

Ok, so i go with the low grade at the Paintball store, its a no brainer.

Now what about guns, i have never gone looking at the price tags, but i believe the BE's range from $20 for a blade with no mask or anything to about $80 or so for a stingray2 with a mask and 9oz CO2. The mask and the CO2 are going to also be BE, ofcourse,

So whats your other option, A tippmann package with a 98custom, a mask, and a 12oz CO2. This should cost you rougfly $99-$120 You can also go spyder but i much perfer tippmann.

Lets do the comparison

BE----(lets use the package as it lets you play right away)---Unreliable, inacurate, low ROF (yes there can be ROF differences in mechanical guns if you get a hopper so it can reach its potential), you cant customize it altall except maby the berral, its made of plastic.(toy plastic) And theres always the risk it either blows up or turns into a frosty when it gets shot.

It also comes with a BE mask and a smaller BE CO2

TIPPMANN----EXTREAMLY reliable, better accuracy, Higher ROF (they advertize it at 10BPS stock if you can feed it that fast), And can be customized right down to the screws that hold it together. Only some parts made of plastic (good plastic). Theres the fact it wont blow up on you or turn into a frosty.

In addition it also comes with a better non BE mask, and a larger, non BE CO2

So for $20-$40 more i think you should deffidently get the tippmann. It wont make you hate the sport, people who have played for years still use the tippmann many times, so in the end, you actualy save money.

Lets face it, i once had a bad setup. And it made me hate playing paintball, i never got anyone out, and got lit up all the time. (setup was a sypder and BE paint,the spyder wasnt working right and thus was similar to my friends old stingray except slightly better)

Now i have a tippmann A-5, dont use BE paint, i get people out, and i can't get enougf of the sport. I dont think BE brings people in as much as it turns them away. True most people will say there first gun was BE or there first paint was BE but did they like it? and besides, how many people did it turn away? You cant ask those people because they dont play any more.

I would also like to point out that i am not critisizeing the other companys owned by BE or in the same group as BE, because event if BE buys them out, they still make there stuff the same way, its just that in the end BE technicly owns them, i dont know realy EXACTLY how it works, so i wont talk about it in detail, but what i do know is that they still make stuff the same way, and that only the things that bear the BE logo the garbige.

The point the first poster made about freshness is a good one and i suggest you read it, however the point is that its NOT fresh and that it probaly IS kept in a dusty wearhouse for months, which is why i dont suggest buying it. Why buy an old beat up car for the price of one just out of the assembaly line?

In general the point i try to make is that you should save and buy a tippmann and use better paint instead of starting with BE. Not sure if you like it, well BE isnt a good sample of paintball, tippmann is, and its not that much more expensive.

[inteck711]

There is something i want to add/point out about the paint argument - How often do you see BE paint in a paintball shop or at a field? I have never seen it at one, I have only seen it at WalMart/Sports Authority. These places do not move nearly as much paint as a paintball shop/field does. Therefore, the BE paint is never fresh. When I worked at a paintball field, we went throught almost a skid of paint per week. I believe there are 108 cases per skid, but i forget :confused: . that is a crap load of paint! That is what keeps the paint fresh. If you tried FRESH BE paint, you never know, it may be some decent stuff. But no shop will ever try and stock it because they know from its reputation it will not move. so it has to stay in the WalMarts and go bad in their stores/warehouses.

for ROF - Both the BE stingray and a tippmann are mechanical guns. so one COULD go just as fast as the other. Agreed that the BE gun probably will not stand up to a slightly higher ROF, but it would still be possible.

And where have you seen a Tippmann 98 PACKAGE for $100?? I think the lowest I have seen the gun alone is $120.

[nerdcore]

BE used to make quality markers (there's a few Rainmaker owners on these forums that'll rave about 'em for days).

You've also got to remember, BE is no longer a stand-alone company, it's one of a handful of companies under K2. So, if anything, blame K2.

[Mackinturk]

i blame his school

obviously, his english teacher is failing at their job

[tviz]

Edits have been made, please re-read, thanks :)

[Headhunter]

Ok, to start, ill say that this is open to critisisim. Please dont flame, respond with something constructive.

And also could a mod please change the title to why new PAINTBALLERS should never buy BE

So alas, lets get to the topic, why SHOULDENT new paintballers use brass eagel stuff.

Well, lets start off with some comparisons, there paint, to some cheap grade paint at the local paintball store.

BE(the stardard stuff not the tiger shot or whatever)----Breaks in gun, Deformed, dose not break on target for the most part, you cannot shoot thru a break, but is a tiny bit cheaper, and i mean a tiny bit.

Lowest grade at paintball store----Never breaks in gun, has dimples but is not deformed, you can shoot through a break with reduced accuracy and has about the same break on target rate as the BE. Its about $2-3 more expensive per thousand, your choice,

Ok, so i go with the low grade at the Paintball store, its a no brainer.

Now what about guns, i have never gone looking at the price tags, but i believe the BE's range from $20 for a blade with no mask or anything to about $80 or so for a stingray2 with a mask and 9oz CO2. The mask and the CO2 are going to also be BE, ofcourse,

So whats your other option, A tippmann package with a 98custom, a mask, and a 12oz CO2. This should cost you rougfly $99 You can also go spyder but i much perfer tippmann.

Lets do the comparison

BE(lets use the package as it lets you play right away)---Unreliable, unacurate, low ROF, you cant customize it altall except maby the berral, and its made of plastic.(toy plastic) And theres always the risk it either blows up or turns into a frosty when it gets shot.

It also comes with a BE mask and a smaller BE CO2

TIPPMANN----EXTREAMLY reliable, better accuracy, Higher ROF, And can be customized to the screws that hold it together. Only some parts made of plastic (good plastic). Then theres the fact it wont blow up on you or turn into a frosty.

It also comes with a better non BE mask, and a larger, non BE CO2

So for $20 more i think you should deffidently get the tippmann.

Lets face it, i once had a bad setup. And it made me hate playing paintball, i never got anyone out, and got lit up all the time. (setup was a sypder and BE paint, spyder wasnt working right and thus was similar to my friends old stingray except slightly better)

Now i have a tippmann A-5, i get people out, and i cant get enougf of the sport, i dont think BE brings people in as much as it turns them away, True most people will say there first gun was BE or there first paint was BE but did they like it? and how many people did it turn away? You cant ask those people because they dont play any more.You're comparing apples and oranges, now you stated in a different thread that you have never used any Brass Eagle products. Then you said that you have used their paint. Now you say that you have never looked at the price range but you believe that you know what the price range is. You are begining to really upset me. You toss out information without having any facts to back it up, other than 'a friend told you' or something similar. Let me start picking this apart a little at a time...

Ok, to start, ill say that this is open to critisisim. Please dont flame, respond with something constructive. You're just asking for trouble with this one...

And also could a mod please change the title to why new PAINTBALLERS should never buy BE Again, asking for trouble.

Well, lets start off with some comparisons, there paint, to some cheap grade paint at the local paintball store.

BE(the stardard stuff not the tiger shot or whatever)----Breaks in gun, Deformed, dose not break on target for the most part, you cannot shoot thru a break, but is a tiny bit cheaper, and i mean a tiny bit.

Lowest grade at paintball store----Never breaks in gun, has dimples but is not deformed, you can shoot through a break with reduced accuracy and has about the same break on target rate as the BE. Its about $2-3 more expensive per thousand, your choice, I have used Brass Eagle paint through some of my markers and have never had a problem, other markers won't do so well. I have used top end paint in some of my markers and had nothing but problems, so your statement is just opinion, not fact. I have seen top end paint dimble and deformed, that goes with the packaging and wether the cases are 'rotated or not. Wal-Mart or any other place like that most like does NOT rotate it's paint, your field store may or may not. Mine did, therefore had good paint, even the Brass Eagle. Rotated that after I bought it for 3 days prior to use.

Now what about guns, i have never gone looking at the price tags, but i believe the BE's range from $20 for a blade with no mask or anything to about $80 or so for a stingray2 with a mask and 9oz CO2. The mask and the CO2 are going to also be BE, ofcourse,

So whats your other option, A tippmann package with a 98custom, a mask, and a 12oz CO2. This should cost you rougfly $99 You can also go spyder but i much perfer tippmann. You're comparing a KIA to an SUV. Oh, sure both are vehicles but you won't take a KIA in the mud anytime soon.

And the CO2 tanks...CO2 tanks are CO2 tanks areCO2 tanks. Every tanks REGARDLESS of the gas it holds or the material it is made out of has the same standard of safety it has to pass BEFORE going to market.

The mask, same thing. Each lense is rated at 300fps at a range of 10ft, regardless of who makes it. It has to be able to maintain structural integrity during testing, not shatter causing small shards of plastic to go into the wearers eyes. Comfort is a totally different story.

BE(lets use the package as it lets you play right away)---Unreliable, unacurate, low ROF, you cant customize it altall except maby the berral, and its made of plastic.(toy plastic) And theres always the risk it either blows up or turns into a frosty when it gets shot. Can you back any of this up? Especially the last line. No, you can't. A package you can use right away, which one? Where did one buy it from? Oh wait, you never really looked at the prices and never used any markers (but your friend did) but you know what you're talking about...:eyes:

TIPPMANN----EXTREAMLY reliable, better accuracy, Higher ROF, And can be customized to the screws that hold it together. Only some parts made of plastic (good plastic). Then theres the fact it wont blow up on you or turn into a frosty. Different design, better Quality Control, accuracy is no better or worse then any other marker without upgrades. ROF for a mechanical marker is pretty much limited to 6-10 bps without a trigger job. That plastic you talk about is a polymer, the same polymer that is used on some hand guns like Glock. The Brass Eagle Talon and Blade aside, the rest are pretty decent. And get a bad seal and watch ANY marker that uses CO2 trun into a frosty...

Lets face it, i once had a bad setup. And it made me hate playing paintball, i never got anyone out, and got lit up all the time. (setup was a sypder and BE paint, spyder wasnt working right and thus was similar to my friends old stingray except slightly better) So your bashing and hating Brass Eagle come from you having a Kingman Spyder that wasn't working properly...:eyes:

[tviz]

ok, responces to your responces, Lets start with ingnoreing that thing about BE in the BE coulom, thats a bunch of garbige, i just wanted to hear good storys about them blowing up.

Why is asking a mod to change my typo asking for touble, just curious?,

I have seen my friends stingray in action*shot it myself actualy*, and yes, accuracy dose depend on the gun because of shot to shot velocity. Thus, i can make the comparison that the malfunctioning spyder was better then the stingray in perfict shape with an upgraded barrel. Therefore i can assume that my experiance would have been worse with a BE gun.

I saw the stingray turn into a frosty right before my eyes, it wasnt the CO2 that was broken, the gun blew something inside of it.

Now, why would i buy a Kia if im going into the mud, lets face it, thats what paintball is, mud and slime, unless you play %100 airball, in which case what is a paintball. Essentialy its slime. Why would you buy a kia that cant go in the mud when the mud is where you are going?

Also when you talk about the mask and CO2, you are forgetting, the BE mask will fog and break sooner then anything elce(this i have seen althought not tried), and the CO2 is going most likely ,I HAVE NEVER SEEN A BE CO2 BEFORE AND THUS THIS AN ASSUMPTION BASED ON THE PRODUCTS OF THERES I HAVE SEEN BEFORE OR USED, break sooner. If you dont think a co2 can break you are wrong, maby it wont explode, but i will leak.

Also in responce to "ROF for a mechanical marker is pretty much limited to 6-10 bps without a trigger job", you can get a trigger job for a tippmann, not a BE.

[Headhunter]

ok, responces to your responces, Lets start with ingnoreing that thing about BE in the BE coulom, thats a bunch of garbige, i just wanted to hear good storys about them blowing up.Wanting to hear good stories about Brass Eagle markers blowing up is instigating.

Why is asking a mod to change my typo asking for touble, just curious?, Again, goes to instigating

I have seen my friends stingray in action*shot it myself actualy*, and yes, accuracy dose depend on the gun because of shot to shot velocity. Thus, i can make the comparison that the malfunctioning spyder was better then the stingray in perfict shape with an upgraded barrel. Therefore i can assume that my experiance would have been worse with a BE gun.Accuracy depends on alot of different factors. Velocity is just a small part of it. If the StingRay II was in perfect shape, the velocity deviation won't be that much.

I saw the stingray turn into a frosty right before my eyes, it wasnt the CO2 that was broken, the gun blew something inside of it. It's called a seal. Can happen to ANY marker that is not properly maintained or reassembled. Does that mean the marker is at fault?

Now, why would i buy a Kia if im going into the mud, lets face it, thats what paintball is, mud and slime, unless you play %100 airball, in which case what is a paintball. Essentialy its slime. Why would you buy a kia that cant go in the mud when the mud is where you are going? That's the point, if your just starting out, look for something affordable, you may or may not like it. It also depends on how often you play and why. Maybe that was a bad anolgy, how about a Nissan Pick-up and a GMC pick-up. Both are trucks but one will out perform the other.

Also when you talk about the mask and CO2, you are forgetting, the BE mask will fog and break sooner then anything elce(this i have seen althought not tried), and the CO2 is going most likely ,I HAVE NEVER SEEN A BE CO2 BEFORE AND THUS THIS AN ASSUMPTION BASED ON THE PRODUCTS OF THERES I HAVE SEEN BEFORE OR USED, break sooner. If you dont think a co2 can break you are wrong, maby it wont explode, but i will leak.I'm not forgetting that the Brass Eagle mask will fog. Any mask will fog, it's just a matter of time. I've seen and used some JT mask (Prior to the Brass Eagle take over) that have fogged on one day and didn't on another. Brass Eagle mask are the same way, yet I won't dispute that fact that they fog up. So does the Game Face mask that I have. Just for you knowledge; ASSUMPTION is the mother of all screw-ups. CO2 tanks leak only when the valve is bad. The tanks are relatively strong. A structure failure of a tank is very rare.

Also in responce to "ROF for a mechanical marker is pretty much limited to 6-10 bps without a trigger job", you can get a trigger job for a tippmann, not a BE.And some enterprising tinkerer can do a trigger job on any Brass Eagle marker. I'm talking about STOCK set-up only, no upgrades.

[tviz]

headhunter, you do make a point, we can go on and on and on about how or how not BE sucks, i think the point your making is not that BE is good, but thats its cheap and should be used by newbies to the sport. The point that i am trying to make is that it will do more turning away then bringing in, i dont say bad things about BE because i just want to, i say bad things because its bad stuff.

We can go on about every part in a BE and every part in a tippy and still be argeuing, or go on and on about the legitimacy of peoples comparisons like the KIA and whatever or wheather the claims of them blowing up are true but lets just leave it at this.


I think alot of this dispute is around tone, what i mean is, you might think im trying to be nasty when im not, which im not.

Also i would like to add that i am thankfull for you being constructive(as i would expect from someone with the title of agent) although i dont agree with what you have to say for the most part.

[413sonix]

Ok BE stuff is cheap but do you know why? It's because it gives people who want to play paintball and who don't have a lot of money to spend the oppurtunity to play paintball. Not everyone in this world is as fortunate as you to have a Tippmann or Spyder, or ProMaster, etc. So be greatful with what you have. Somewhere in this world some kid is wanting to play paintball who doesn't have a lot of money. Personally I find that people that make fun of BE stuff had their mommy and daddy buy them all their gear.

[tviz]

My stuff came from birthday/christmas money and a job i had over the summer, in general the point i tried to make was that your probabaly better off saveing for longer and starting with a tippmann, and possibly playing less to offord better paint. The quality of your game will improve 10 fold.

if your not sure if you like paintball, have your friend shot you a few times with his gun, then shoot him a few times with it, had fun? you will like paintball. Also, tippmann is a better representation of paintball then BE

[ruschinrocket]

Rainmaker > any Tippman.

[Lopez17]

tvis. Please don't post threads like this unless you clearly know what you're talking about.