Bushmaster Pros/Cons

[compadre7]

I'm not sure if I want a bushy or cocker and I saw some cocker pros/cons threads, but I didn't see a bushy one. I haven't gotten to play with either, only shot both. Could you guys (gals?) give me a little help on a bushies pros/cons? Likes/dislikes?

[Crisis]

Pro's :

Quiet when setup good.
decent trigger - adjustable.
Electro!
Minimal kick
easy to work on.

Con's:

Electro = $$
Parts and mods just now coming around full swing.
stock bolt and barrel

[compadre7]

Have you had a bushmaster before (or own one now)? If so, I see you have a cocker in your sig... could you sorta compare them? I mean, what do you like more or less about the cocker comparatively?

[Crisis]

I've owned 3 Bushmasters all at different levels of operation.

1 Total tricked out.. Eclipse Bushmaster (Rock solid.. it ruled)

2 Stock - with nothing more then a good tuning and a Dye Boomstick (Still awesome)

3 a minor over played with on that i did some repairs on and traded away (still shot good and had a small leak, but worked damn good)



well as for comparing it to a cocker there is no comparison really.. i cocker is louder, some will say more accurate, but it'd hate to tell people.. ANY gun will be what YOU want it to be, wether you have the $$ or not or time to make it that way is your own deal.. I'm a gear head type of person, I wrench on Cranes, telescopic Forklifts, and Access equipment for a living.. I LOVE COMPLEX stuff... I LOVE pneumatics and Hydraulics.. once i saw the autococker. I was in awe....

I've shot them before and they are ONE HELL OF A GUN.. people will tell you what are the most WIDELY SEEN and USED tourny guns... well


Angels, Shockers, Cockers, Defiants (bushmasters) and AutoMags

Those are more then likely what you'll see out there

What you like more then any other will depend on your ability to fire, and work on, and over all be "comfortable" with.

[Cindows Xp]

I recommend that if your just now getting into the higher end guns, I would say go with the bushy. You can modify each gun beyond belief, but I have found the bushy requires alot less maintanance. The stock bolt is delrin, so you don't need to oil it. If you run CO2, I would recommend a Palmer stab. But if you play alot of cold weather games, definatly go nitro, CO2 with the bushy and winter do not mix. Summer mine ran just great. I ended up switching to nitro during the winter, which ended up costing me around $400, for new a new reg, drop, and tank. But I say the bushy would be the way to go. You may be paying more, but I like the trigger on the bushy better than a cocker. Just my opinion, not like it matters. :)

Hope ya find your gun.

[keiphers]

compadre7, if you want a Bushy, talk to me. I've got a B2K 2002 that I'm selling soon. I'll tell you the specs if you're interested.

[compadre7]

hmm... I probably won't be able to buy anytime soon (a few months probly), but thanks for the offer, I will keep it in mind!

I have narrowed it down to these to guns, and it's driving me crazy! :crazy: I have never needed to shoot really fast so, I'm kinda thinkin cocker. They sound cool too ;) Oh yeah, and of course they feel good :rolleyes: BUT, I was kinda hoping to get a bushy and be different and put a sonic frame and rock on it and freak people out, lol. I really like those cockers with the hinges though. I shot a KAPP cocker a week or so ago and shortstroked it, so... not good. I need to decide! I haven't felt a cocker with a hinge though... Are cockers heavy? I know bushmasters are light. do you find cockers breaking down a lot, like people say? Do you get out gunned when going against an electro? How about in tournaments? Have there been times where you just say to yourself, "man, this gun is awesome" or "man, this gun stinks"?

[Mr. E]

Cockers are heavy....much heavier then bushys.....that's the only question I can answer for you. :|



Personally, I like electros in general better then cockers, but I don't have much experience with either (I get to borrow friends guns often). Go w/ the bushy :tup:

[compadre7]

Thanks, anybody else?

[VeNoM]

Originally posted by Mr. E
Cockers are heavy....much heavier then bushys.....that's the only question I can answer for you. :|



Personally, I like electros in general better then cockers, but I don't have much experience with either (I get to borrow friends guns often). Go w/ the bushy :tup:

actually my STO isn't heavy at all, its actually fairly light. about the same as the bushy, possibly a little lighter . . .

if you like to shoot fast and have a problem with short stroking get the bushy. i like both guns so this is a hard choice and it would depend on the 2 specific markers, but i think i like my new cocker a little better than my old bushy . . .

[dcmander]

Hey Crisis the stock bolt is awesome! There is NO need to replace it enless it does not fit your bore right..if it doesn't, then you will get blowback..in this case, you should try a vapor bolt with orings that minimizes blowback.

The new 8th gen 2piece stock barrel looks promising, although i have not heard much about how good it is..

Just didn't wanna give an inaccurate impression about ICD's great delrin bolt :)

-dc

[simon woodstock]

the bolt is one of the only things i haven't upgraded (i actually cut the back off though).
the stuff i've upgraded i did to get the max performance out of the marker and did it mainly for personal prefference and comfort.

nothing really NEEDS to be upgraded, after you hook up some air it is definately usable.no upgrades needed.
if you don't mess with it and carry spare batteries, 99% of the problems you see with bushies will be gone.
very compact, stable, fast, and extremely fun to shoot.
when i bring my bushy to the field, 1/2 the comments i get on it are people saying that bushmasters are the most fun markers to play with.

but go by the old rule.
shoot them both, shoot them fast, shoot them slow, use both hands, you'll know after that.

[Crisis]

Uhmm i never said anything about the stock bolt did I ? The stock bolts rule UNLESS you do have blow back problems but like you meantioned dcmander the Vapor bolt takes that right away..

I put the stock bolt in the list of (Electro cons) some electro bolts are really crappy... some not all though. once again i will restate that a bushy stock bolt if really decent.

[dcmander]

Originally posted by Crisis
I put the stock bolt in the list of (Electro cons) some electro bolts are really crappy... some not all though. once again i will restate that a bushy stock bolt if really decent.

Sorry didn't know what you meant. I understand now, and hes exactly right.

..Just didn't wanna give the wrong impression of ICD's great bolt :)

-dc

[compadre7]

I shot a cocker with a hinge trigger on it yesterday... :tup:

It was nice.

[Crisis]

Even though a cocker has a hinge trigger it can still shrot stroke.. I have a hinge and i love it, but don't get confused it's still nothing close to the sheer volume a electro is capable of.

[compadre7]

Oh yeah, I know. I tried shooting real fast and ended up short stroking, but I don't see myself shooting a ton of paint at $.05 a pop. I just think it would work for me.

[Richy_C]

Bushy pros: Lightweight (best advantage over other guns), fast, whips around, mines never broken.

Cons: Some hate the trigger frame, soft aluminum, kinda dying because the impulse has grabbed such a market share.

[dcmander]

It's reliable too :) And can be tuned better than impulses.

[VeNoM]

Originally posted by compadre7
Oh yeah, I know. I tried shooting real fast and ended up short stroking, but I don't see myself shooting a ton of paint at $.05 a pop. I just think it would work for me.

ya that was a big problem for me with my bushy. i went through ALOT of paint, that i couldn't afford. i can still shoot plety fast enough with my cocker to do what ever i need to on the field, with out draining my hopper in seconds. one time i took my bushy out, i had a case for the day (i usually use half that) and i RAN OUT before the end of the day . . . i absolutely love my new cocker and i prefer over my bushy, even though i miss the bushys trigger (speed) and small size.

[simon woodstock]

i don't know why people always complain about the bushy shooting too much, you're the person shooting the gun.
if you want to shoot as much as a cocker, turn the rof down to 7 bps. or just don't pull the trigger as much...
i just think saying you shoot too much w/ your bushy is silly, because you're the one shooting so much.
thats like saying, i'm selling my porsche and getting a pinto because the pinto can't go over 60 so i won't get any more tickets.

i'm not calling a cocker a pinto, i just convinced a team mate to buy a sonic cocker, it's just like i said before, silly.

my little brother never brings pods onto the field because he says he wants to converse paint, then he gets into an intense shoot out w/ 5 players from the other team and runs out of paint, you don't need to use 3 pods every game, but why not have them just incase?

[VeNoM]

ya but if you have a porsche dont you want to drive fast with it? why get a porsche to drive slow? and i hardly consider my cocker a "pinto". . . i dont see a point in buying an electro if you aren't going to take advantage of its speed, its best feature.

[compadre7]

Originally posted by VeNoM
ya but if you have a porsche dont you want to drive fast with it? why get a porsche to drive slow? and i hardly consider my cocker a "pinto". . . i dont see a point in buying an electro if you aren't going to take advantage of its speed, its best feature.

Yeah, I agree.

Originally posted by simon woodstock
i don't know why people always complain about the bushy shooting too much, you're the person shooting the gun.
if you want to shoot as much as a cocker, turn the rof down to 7 bps. or just don't pull the trigger as much...
i just think saying you shoot too much w/ your bushy is silly, because you're the one shooting so much.
thats like saying, i'm selling my porsche and getting a pinto because the pinto can't go over 60 so i won't get any more tickets.

I think what your saying is silly. Why get a bushy and then turn in down to 7bps? You are going to shoot more paint. That's what's so fun about an electro. In stead of resisting the temptation to unload, you eliminate it. Much easier IMO.

[DefiantMan3901]

i don't get it, the speed is there for when you need it, just like the porsch has the speed for when you need it (well, ya right) i still find myself running out of paint not because i fired fast, but that i fired to much at the wrong time, i like the electro cause when that guy does decide to run, you got him, not just scaring him by sending 10+ things flying at around 300 fps at him. that stage eventually goes away after you start to have fun playing and not just shooting.

[simon woodstock]

Originally posted by DefiantMan3901
i don't get it, the speed is there for when you need it, just like the porsch has the speed for when you need it (well, ya right) i still find myself running out of paint not because i fired fast, but that i fired to much at the wrong time, i like the electro cause when that guy does decide to run, you got him, not just scaring him by sending 10+ things flying at around 300 fps at him. that stage eventually goes away after you start to have fun playing and not just shooting.

exactly.

and I wasn't being serious about turning the ROF down to 7.

i get critisized by people on my team for not shooting enough.
in tournaments i definately shoot a lot, but in practice i use 2 pods at the very most, and I NEVER run out of paint. my back player shoots a lot so i don't have to, but lets put it this way.

when you snap shoot you want to get of 3 or 4 balls, w/ a bushy you can get that off in 1/3 of a second, w/ the cocker it would take 1/2 second.

my point is, you don't have to shoot more paint. you shoot the same amount of paint in less time. i'd say thats an advantage.

also, like def man said, i can put up a much better wall of paint for the opposing player to run into w/ my bushy than w/ my friends cocker.


but like richy always says...to each his own.

i could go into detail as to why rof is important if you want. but this isn't really about that

[compadre7]

I see what you're saying. I think both views are very accurate. Once again, the conclusion is: personal preference.

[PiMp GoLd BuShY]

I just got my bushy, and havent aired it up yet even (tank is off at air america) but.. I was most definatley impressed with it stock, trigger is a little at an odd-ish angle, but is easily enough fixed with a new trigger frame..

I dunno, bushys are great, get what ya want.. Let's just say I wont be missing my cocker. :D

[compadre7]

Why? Did you not like your cocker?

I shot a bushy the other day and actually got to shoot 10-12 shots instead 3-4. Wow, I just kinda wiggled my fingers in between the trigger guard and the frame... it just thrummed. It can shoot soooooo fast! I think it would be REALLY hard to not shoot the extra paintballs with this thing. Even if you don't mean too, it will shoot an extra few for you... almost. And, hey, I still can't decide! lol

[PiMp GoLd BuShY]

No, I loved my cocker.. but for half the price, the bushy blows the cocker away :D

[AngelsHolocaust]

dont get me wrong, cockers are awesome guns, and i have owned one for the past..year i think and i put some stuff on it (look at sig) i could not short stroke it even if i tried, the gun balanced perfectly (except it was a little right heavy). but i feel that cockers have more distance and accuracy is a load of crap, and my cocker was pretty damn heavy with a full tank and hopper. i borrowed my freinds bushy for a few games and i looooved it,

im selling my cocker in a few days and buying a 9th gen red bushy. the cocker was great but it just wasnt for me, it was hard to pull of quick strings of a high rof