Mechanical vs Elec

[Rigur]

Is there any real disadvantage for new players using one or the other. I was thinking that an electronic would be easier for my wife to use. I was looking at a vs2, Ion, Impulse or Tippmann X7 (I eventually want to do scenario) until she said she'd like to play with me, which means 2 of everything. So i started looking at the Pilots, Imagines, and used Pirahnas.

Any thoughts on the Raven Hexion? I see reviews on both ends of the spectrums. ANy thoughts/comments/suggestions would be appreciated.

[pbmike1888]

if your gonna do scenarios, then buy a mech gun. more reiable and easier to field strip for the most part. also cheap for low end mechs.

if your wife is doing the scenarios with u then you should both go a-5 or x-7. if you plan on doing both then its all up to you. electros are more complicated to fix, and are usually more expensive, so its up to you if you want wifey using an electro or not.

of course, there are mil sim kits for ions.....so u could make your ion look like a scenario marker, and take off all the stuff u dont need for any other type of game.

[calaustria]

A refurbished spyder Pilot is the way to go. You can get one for only $80 off of firstcallpaintball.com (http://firstcallpaintball.com). They are only $20 more than an Imagine, Imagines are capped at about 13bps and pilots 20. Also, the pilot has an anti-chop bolt. It isn't that great aat preventing chops, but it helps a little. Not to mention that when you realize your stock Imagine bolt is scratching up the insides of your gun, you will buy a new one for about $20-$30 anyway. The pilot also comes in a cool blue to black or red to black fade. The Raven Nexion wouldn't be that bad, but the pilot is a lot better. Unless you get her a pilot and yourself a VS2. :P

EDIT-If you want to go scenario, get an MR2.
And about the ion, as mecturtlecocker once said, "If you like taking a bad valve design, making it worse, and wrapping it up in plastic, the ion is for you."

[Rigur]

Scenario would be strictly me. She just wants to play rec ball together. I found new Pilots for 101.95 on one of the sites. There are soooooo many guns to look at. I don't want to jump of the deep end a preorder an X7 electronic until I am sure PB is soemthing I want to do seriously or just for fun.

orderpaintball.com has the PMis pretty cheap, I am guessing they are older models but still new. I appreciate the help, keep it coming.

EDIT:
WOW that site had even better pricing on the PMIs.

Pilot > Nexion

What about compared to the Piranha E-Forces?

[SHBASS]

I would go with Spyder Pilots or something like that. Honestly, the best spyders right now are the VS series. The imagines are capped at 13, and the pilots at 20, but I doubt you could hit 12 with either one the way they are now.

[Vexa]

EDIT-If you want to go scenario, get an MS2.
And about the ion, as mecturtlecocker once said, "If you like taking a bad valve design, making it worse, and wrapping it up in plastic, the ion is for you."

Whats an MS2?

Yes, the Ion has an outer shell of composite plastic and rubber skids. This plastic is tough; Even when its off the gun, it cant be bent/compressed at all. Underneath, its a solid frame of black dusted aluminum. Now think...If you play rough, and drop your Ion against a rock really hard, the shell may crack. If it does (unlikely), you can buy a new one for about $20. If you do that with any other gun with an aluminum shell, you have an irreparable scratch/dent that the only way to get out would be to get another gun.

And what makes the Ion's valve design bad?

[413sonix]

Spool valves are inefficent. Anyways mech guns are as easy to strip down then electro guns. I'd look into the refurbished Spyder Pilots. They have the ACS bolt which helps prevent most chops, they have a electric trigger capable of firing up to 20 BPS in semi-auto and 14 BPS in 3-shot, 6-shot, and full-auto, also they're easily stripped down which is good for secnarios so say if you chop a ball and the marker jams you just have to pull a pin and slide the internals out. The Ion isn't field strippable which isn't good for a secnario and to make it field stripable you have to go buy a bolt out back body for $185. Also since the Ion isn't exactly efficent that isn't good for scenarios. My friend always gets 400 shots off his 47ci/3,000psi HPA tank with his Ion. I had him fill it up again and I got around 500 with my Spyder Sonix Pro. The Pilot is basically the same thing as my Sonix Pro minus the ACS bolt and electric trigger frame. Also the Ion can't run on Co2. Running an In on Co2 will ruin it. You can anti-siphon the Co2 tank with the Ion but you'll have to fire slower and you can still destroy the Ion if you screw up the install or you start moving around a lot, because liquid Co2 will be getting sucked in through the anti-siphon tube in the tank. Now the Pilot will work way better on HPA but it isn't needed. So if you're playing scenarios the Ion isn't the right choice. If you have cash then it would be but let's do some math to make an Ion scenario ready...

Ion-$200
HPA tank-$55-$250
Electric hopper-$61-$150
B.O.B. body-$185

Total...around $785 for the best equipment. Now for two that's $1,570.

Ok now for the Spyder Pilot ACS

Pilot ACS-$107
Co2 tank-$30
HPA tank (not needed but it helps)-$55-250
Electric hopper-$61-$150

Total...around $507 for the best equippment which would be a Pilot ACS, carbon fiber HPA tank, and a DXS Pulse hopper. It could be cheaper around $198. Now multiply that by two and you have $396.

Not fair because I only used the highest prices for the Ion you say? Ok, here's the cheapest stuff you can get for the Ion. Ion, 47ci/3,000psi HPA tank, Eggy II hopper. Now for one that's $316. Multiplied by two that's $632. Either way still too much money. Go for the Spyder, you'll be glad you did.

[Bob_4]

I think it all depends on preferance. Elec shoot fast and are accurater but mech are durable for speedball go elec for woodsball go mech. I have a TL-X for woodsball and an ION for speedball. I also use my ION for woodsball though.

[aperson]

buy local so if you have any problems you can get help fixing them. Most stores do free repairs for a certain amount of time if you buy the gun there. You can also go ask questions and feel the stuff in person before you buy it.

[malcontent]

I think it all depends on preferance. Elec shoot fast and are accurater but mech are durable for speedball go elec for woodsball go mech. I have a TL-X for woodsball and an ION for speedball. I also use my ION for woodsball though.


ummm, what?

punctuation guy... or have you failed grammar already?

and electronic is no more accurate than mech. its not the trigger set up that makes a marker accurate.

honestly i would go with a mech for now, as you seem to be just starting and unsure of if you want to really play or not. after you decide that you wanna start playing more seriously, then go to an electro or even back down to stock class...

[SHBASS]

Spool valves are inefficent. Anyways mech guns are as easy to strip down then electro guns. I'd look into the refurbished Spyder Pilots. They have the ACS bolt which helps prevent most chops, they have a electric trigger capable of firing up to 20 BPS in semi-auto and 14 BPS in 3-shot, 6-shot, and full-auto, also they're easily stripped down which is good for secnarios so say if you chop a ball and the marker jams you just have to pull a pin and slide the internals out. The Ion isn't field strippable which isn't good for a secnario and to make it field stripable you have to go buy a bolt out back body for $185. Also since the Ion isn't exactly efficent that isn't good for scenarios. My friend always gets 400 shots off his 47ci/3,000psi HPA tank with his Ion. I had him fill it up again and I got around 500 with my Spyder Sonix Pro. The Pilot is basically the same thing as my Sonix Pro minus the ACS bolt and electric trigger frame. Also the Ion can't run on Co2. Running an In on Co2 will ruin it. You can anti-siphon the Co2 tank with the Ion but you'll have to fire slower and you can still destroy the Ion if you screw up the install or you start moving around a lot, because liquid Co2 will be getting sucked in through the anti-siphon tube in the tank. Now the Pilot will work way better on HPA but it isn't needed. So if you're playing scenarios the Ion isn't the right choice. If you have cash then it would be but let's do some math to make an Ion scenario ready...

Ion-$200
HPA tank-$55-$250
Electric hopper-$61-$150
B.O.B. body-$185

Total...around $785 for the best equipment. Now for two that's $1,570.

Ok now for the Spyder Pilot ACS

Pilot ACS-$107
Co2 tank-$30
HPA tank (not needed but it helps)-$55-250
Electric hopper-$61-$150

Total...around $507 for the best equippment which would be a Pilot ACS, carbon fiber HPA tank, and a DXS Pulse hopper. It could be cheaper around $198. Now multiply that by two and you have $396.

Not fair because I only used the highest prices for the Ion you say? Ok, here's the cheapest stuff you can get for the Ion. Ion, 47ci/3,000psi HPA tank, Eggy II hopper. Now for one that's $316. Multiplied by two that's $632. Either way still too much money. Go for the Spyder, you'll be glad you did.

The thing with the price is that the electronic spyders WILL NOT perform stock like the Ion will. You're paying for performance. I think the best way to go for this person is the Spyder VS2, a cheap nitro tank, and an egg. The VS2's are actually pretty good for spyders. Lookie:http://www.pbnation.com/showthread.php?t=1909871

[Rigur]

I think I had just about decided on the VS2 because everyone and their momma has an ION. After seeing that video, i'll wait another month and save my pennies and definitely get one. Thanks to everyone for their advice and their help.

[Zaunji]

Ion-$200
HPA tank-$55-$250
Electric hopper-$61-$150
B.O.B. body-$185

Total...around $785 for the best equipment. Now for two that's $1,570.


Well actually you can get great HPA tanks for less then $70 dollers. Infact for a while I was using an anti-siphoned Co2 tank ($40). No one needs the "top of the line" hopper for an Ion (untill you upgrade it alot) so you don't have to use anything more than maybe $100. BOB bodies are not neccessary at all. You will get so used to taking apart the Ion that you will be doing it blind folded. Still they can be found for like $120, if your really lazy about lubing a bolt. Which dosn't need to be done in the middle of a game anyway.

So after that you might spend around $350 (with an $80 hopper).

Just saying...

[SHBASS]

^^^^
agreed. BOB body is not necessary at all.

[di$TOrTed]

If you want to shoot fast, get an electronic.

If you don't care about rate of fire and won't mind being outgunned, just get a mech.

[shotbirdsfallin]

mech saves money too ^_-

[SHBASS]

Very true. You can still own with a mech gun though. Then it all comes down to skill. Back when I used my spyder, I shot out a few people with their angels, timmies, and the like. Felt good when I did too.

[shotbirdsfallin]

It's the player, not the gun. But its always fun shooting 15+bps.

[413sonix]

Meh for scenarios I would never play without BOB. Just think what happens if the eyes are accidentaly off or they get dirty and you chop. Good luck stripping the Ion down with your hands. And I listed the prices of the Ion and the Pilot with the top of the line and the bottom of the line equipment. I know you can run an Ion on anti-siphoned Co2 but I would be against it because there's always the small chance that you can suck in some liquid Co2 and blow your noid.

[shotbirdsfallin]

Go with a refurbed imagine or pilot. Wont be dissapointed and are very easily taken apart. Took my spyder apart behind a bunker, in the snow during a game.^_-

[SHBASS]

Spyders are really easy to field strip

[Bob_4]

ummm, what?

punctuation guy... or have you failed grammar already?

and electronic is no more accurate than mech. its not the trigger set up that makes a marker accurate.

honestly i would go with a mech for now, as you seem to be just starting and unsure of if you want to really play or not. after you decide that you wanna start playing more seriously, then go to an electro or even back down to stock class...

man i'm in all honors