tippmann or spyder for begginer

[paintball_fl]

I'm thinking of getting either a tippmann 98 custom pro ACT, with a regular hopper (all i can afford i think, got $200.) and a 20 oz or a spyder pilot acs with an egg III, 1 48/3000 nitro tank and a 20 oz just in case i run out, also im gettin it refurb off firstcallpaintball.com, so, which would be best for a begginer?

[[Hi]]

for woodsball the tippy
for speedball the spyder

i personaly dont like spyders but its your decision

[pwnij]

Go with the spyder, thats a pretty good deal you got there.

[ICU117]

I'd go with the spyder because most people end up playing speedball. Tippmanns are the better beginner gun though, more durable, don't have to maintain it as much.

[mjr_paranoid]

I actualy like used PMI markers for noobies. Basically spyders, but cheap cheap cheap.

PMI Evos are cheap and decent markers. And the lack of upgrades prevents you from spending too much time and energy upping a basically marginal marker. Yes, many sypder ups work on these, but most noobies aren't aware of this. Oops, I shouldn't have told you that...

Unfortunately, spyders have so many "upgrades" that people spend money foolishly trying to upgrade poor base units to be competitive.
I once spent like 200 dollars upping an e-99 and in the end it was still an e-99.
(yes you can turn a spyder into a spimmy, but honestly, of all the people who intend to do it, how many actually do it?).


The other big downfall of starting with a spyder is fanboyism. If you started with a spyder, when you go to upgrade you might foolishly think of moving to a "high end" spyder like a VS model. They are just not a good purchase for the price point they are at considering lasoya promasters retail for about 200. In fact I have been tempted to pick one of those bad boys up as a backup/loaner.

[IONized_baller']

mjr paranoid you say that evos are good. my buddy owned one and all it did was chop. adn once i went to re-cock it becuse it wasn't shooting and it wouldn't. All you would do with the evo is shot ppl with paintball chops not paintballs. but it seems that that is the only bad evo.
As already said spyder for speedball tippmann for woodsball.

[mjr_paranoid]

As already said spyder for speedball tippmann for woodsball.

Why?
Do spyders have some wierd mojo that makes them stop working off the speedball course? Do tippies stop firing when taken out of the woods?

[HungryHippo7735]

i would go for the spyder, tippmans are kinda over rated, and the 98C wont neccessarily be better at woodsball than the spdyer. i really dont c any reasoning or logic behind this statement.

[Reaper_de_Grim]

Having played with both, I have to recommend the Tippmann. Syders can be tempermental. I've never had good luck with Syders. Tippmanns are hard to beat for durability, playability, and despite what some think, upgradability (although most tippmanns don't need many upgrades to be a decent marker). I have yet to meet anyone who purchases a Tippmann that regrets the purchase regardless of what they may purchase later. The same can't say that about Spyders.
That being said, if you can lay hands on both markers, check them out to see how they feel to you, balance, heft, etc. If possible, play with both before you purchase.

[mmmoose]

Tippmann here too. Although asking on a Tippmann forum would probably give you biased responses, no? But still as a new paintball person who has already tried three different guns (Spyder Xtra, JT Tac-5, and Tippmann A-5), I'd have to pick the Tippmann out of the three.

My issue with Spyders is their weight. Yeah I don't care if people call me weak or whatever, but the Spyder Xtra was a little heavy on the wrists during long period use. The Tippmann A-5 was surprisingly much lighter and also better looking, in my opinion.

I guess it depends on what you're looking for. I'm looking for light weight, low maintenance, and reliable (virtually chop free) markers. Personally I'd trust the cyclone system of the A-5 over any traditional style feed. But I guess since you're looking to get a 98 custom (no cyclone?) that makes the point moot...

[Etfren]

Yeah, asking in the Tippman forums is a good way to get a biased opinion, but either way I say go with the Spyder Pilot ACS. The ACS system is better, it is electronic, and is easier to clean/maintain. I have used both the Tippman 98C and my Pilot and would rather use the Pilot for sure.

[Zakushark]

For a beginner, I would defiantly suggest some form of Tippmann. One thing a beginner marker needs in a marker is reliability and easy of use, and these are two qualities Tippmann is well known for. From my experience, Spyders are notorious for breaking down on the field.

[Curly Fry]

tippmann 98 custom E with ACT http://www.actionvillage.com/is-bin/INTERSHOP.enfinity/eCS/Store/en/-/USD/DisplayProductInformation-Start;sid=MCRy0qF2Qshy0OSPFXmyequij9eqSJWqq4U=?Pro ductID=qBfAqArbEVkAAAEJTsnspNEjwhy?
has a decent board in it
can shoot ropes
almost never chops (ACT is pretty good but still chop if your using crap paint)
upgradability

then get a starter package of your choice

total: 250$

[m98sniper15]

The spyder would be best. Tippmanns aren't the most user friendly marker out there. The spyder will be much easier to field strip instead of the Tippmann.

ICU117, Tippmanns are really high maintenance markers compared to spyders.

[^_^]

The Spyder seems like a really good deal. I would say go for that. Also Tippmanns aren't the easiest marker to take apart, while Spyders are very easy to take apart and work on.

[leaving0hio]

I think I could go either way..

The tippmann is reliable, and it's an absolute tank. I started with a 98c.

Having said that, the spyder is coming with an egg and an hpa tank...

There's more to break with the spyder kit - just because you're adding a layer of complexity with a (semi) forcefeed loader.

When you strip the tippmann - you're taking the whole thing apart (there are a couple small springs that like to pop up of place). When you strip the spyder, you're pulling a pin and dropping some larger parts out.

I like the feel of the 98 though - and I think the innards are easier to understand at first, but that's no fault of the spyder. Still, if you get that spyder kit, you already have two big things you need for almost any gun you might move up to - a forcefeed and an hpa tank.

[rfcsoulja]

The Spyder seems like a really good deal. I would say go for that. Also Tippmanns aren't the easiest marker to take apart, while Spyders are very easy to take apart and work on.

I disagree, my first marker was a tippmann a5, and the first time is triped it, it took my maybe a minute. Easiest thing to do in the world. Tippmanns are just as easy to maintain and work on as spyders, having played with both. If you goin stictly woodsball, then a tipmann is the way to go. But for the deal and if you plan on doing more speedball in tournaments and stuff, i'd suggest the spyder deal ( hpa tank sold me).

[Rippin' Spyder]

A spyder is a good choice. Easy maintance, hell I barely even do anything to mine. I clean it and thats it. Barely lube it and it works great. Tippy's work the same way. Its up to you, though.

[Cpt. Morgan]

In my experience it works like this.

Tippmann's suck for speedball and are costly to upgrade to do a "walking" speed of 8-bps (the number of times you can pull the trigger if YOU REALLY TRY) and more.

A e-grip plus a good dual trigger is worth as much as some low end spyders.

Tippmann's are very inefficient on gas (and are costly to get a decent rate of a CO2 tank). They are low maintenance but until you get the hang of them are hard to put back together (especially the 98 versions).

They aren't mean't for speedball. They are mean't for the woods. BUT I learned to play speedball with my tippy facing spyders and ions.

It teaches you to play well. To play with your head and agility not your gun's speed.

Heres a example. Look at players who play pump... they are ridiculously good for what they shoot even against semi-auto guns.

[p8ntballer2387]

that spider setup is a good one go with it, or the 98 then upgrade to a cyclone feed later

[mjr_paranoid]

get an ego there better

Yes an ego is a better marker. As is a shocker, all the timmies, ebladed cockers, Dms, rails, minis, fusions, etc etc etc .....

But this is about entry level markers.
We would all love to start with an ego.

[Vyce-Gripp]

The Spyder is the better of the two. If it is maintained after every day of play (it takes literally five minutes), it should never break down.
I went through three Tippmanns (a 98, a 98C and a Custom Pro) and sold them all after I got sick of the primitive design and horrible efficiency.
If you must get a Tippmann, go for the A-5 or X7, which is a very much improved (though still inefficient) version of the 98C.

-Gripp

[Evil_Wayz]

Yes an ego is a better marker. As is a shocker, all the timmies, ebladed cockers, Dms, rails, minis, fusions, etc etc etc .....

But this is about entry level markers.
We would all love to start with an ego.

Nope. I'm just fine with my Ironhorse. It's nice to be able to start out with what you wanted. :)

[epygit]

get a spyder tippmanns are heavy and they suckat leasty on a spyder u can get a pretty descent deal, and you will not be dissapointed... but after you go paintballing like 3 or 4 times, and know what type of playing you like, go out and buy a better speedball gun

[IONized_baller']

Why?
Do spyders have some wierd mojo that makes them stop working off the speedball course? Do tippies stop firing when taken out of the woods?
its just better that way. Or for the tipmanmn that is. heard that the do only make OK speeedball guns and you have to sknk lots of $$$ to make a tippmann a GOOD speedball gun. and What if you drop your spyder on a big rock? and damage it? and if you dropped a tippmann on a big rock most likly the tippmann won't be as much damaged as the spyder. That is why.

[pyrokitty]

if you spend 350 on an egriped a5 you will have the best begginer slash pro marker in the world.

[Hatpin7]

I would go with the pilot, i have a tippy my self... but the pilot is a way better deal. there great guns. i don't understand why there all ways hated.

but if its for woodsball deffinetly go with the tippman, the spyder will fail in woodsball.

[offday]

The spyder would be best. Tippmanns aren't the most user friendly marker out there. The spyder will be much easier to field strip instead of the Tippmann.

ICU117, Tippmanns are really high maintenance markers compared to spyders.

Actually the tippy can be feild striped really easy. Granted its easier with a good bench or tailgate with a towel on it. but they only SEEM more envolved.
there not really. I can strip mine and have it back together in a mater of minutes, The plus side is they RARELY need feild stripping, probably because they dont break. it's the AK-47 of markers, When you need it it works.
most all pb feilds use the tippys as their rentals, I don't believe they would choose a marker that requires a lot of maintenance, that statement even sounds stupid, what would be the point of that.
I think they would rather rent you the marker than rent it and then make you wait half the day working on it.

[AngryInsurgent]

I'm thinking of getting either a tippmann 98 custom pro ACT, with a regular hopper (all i can afford i think, got $200.) and a 20 oz or a spyder pilot acs with an egg III, 1 48/3000 nitro tank and a 20 oz just in case i run out, also im gettin it refurb off firstcallpaintball.com, so, which would be best for a begginer?

Spyders give good bang for your buck, instead of the refurb you could pick up a new Pilot ACS for only ~$107. However, a 48/3000 isn't worth it unless you play exclusively speedball, you'll need to fill up every one or two games. Also, I have a severe distrust for eggys. Eggy 2s were nothing but trouble for my friends and I. Accessories aside, this spyder package would still be great if you didn't mind batteries and wanted a cheap gun that can shoot fast.

However, I personally think the tippmann makes a better beginner gun. If you are willing to bite the higher price (for the base gun) and lower rate of fire, the tippmann is a solid simple marker that is fun to play with.

[sanky]

get the spyder