Why Mini?

[SnIpErBaIt]

I was looking into getting a mini, epiphany, or pmr (they all cost the same) but I noticed that the mini is a way different setup. Is the mini easier or harder to deal with than a normal gun with a gas through foregrip? Now that you've shot it, would you maybe have gotten another gun?

[trolleyman98]

i would go with a mini and i'll explain why

1. Its all metal. I think the epiphany is but i know the pmr is not. The mini would be more reliable

2.simplicity. Now i've never met you so i don't know if your a tech junkie or not but the mini is by far the most simple out of the three. Heck there are only 2 wires in the whole thing i think! The other two are more complicated but i don't know if your a tech junkie or not.

3.Features. Well for one thing the mini is metal. It also has a decent ROF (20bps) and theres no macrolines! its also the most simple out of the three of them. even though the PMR is capped at 30bps, the thing is plastic and not as reliable as the more expensive dye and proto matrix models. And basically the epiphany is just an ion with a metal shell i think

so those are my reasons to go with the mini

Hope that helps :)

[FulRacAttack]

ok epihany is a nicely upped ion, but nah i wouldnt go wit that

pmr has a higher rate of fire, but the aftermarker boards will eventualyl come out for the mini and have it get the rof up there (even though 20 bps is plenty)

the pmr is bigger and heavier, but nawt by much

the pmr is more upgradeable

the mini is more simplistic and easy to maintain because they designed it that way

the mini has been having problem but got mostly cleared up after the recall

i mean the pos and cons are on both sides, it jus personal preference, like if you want a faster gun go wit the pmr i chose the mini because i like the look, the feel, the size, and the kick butt new technology, but again its up to u nd ur personal preference

[mjr_paranoid]

I am all for the mini in that spread, but I was disapointed in some of the design choices.

If the goal is get as light a marker as possible, then the mini fails a few items.

There is no reason I can see to have the gripframe be made of metal.
A carbon fiber with metal fittings would have worked better and be lighter.

Metal is not always tougher than high impact plastics and carbon fiber composite.

I would have liked to see a few basic upgrades, like a drop or some signature accessories like a special halo or egg hopper for the mini. Or a partnership with nitroduck or someone to make a signature air tank.

But that is a big issue I fell that I see across the boards in paintball companies. They tend to think so small.

Look at smart parts, they don't think small. They made the SP-8 by retooling the ion, and at the same time released the usless stock and the usless longer barrel. And people bought he whole package with smiles on thier faces. And at the same time released the blackheart board. What a way to slap your customers in the face. Like it cost more to make the blackheart than the stock board?
But they still bought it!


OK I am way OT.

The mini is appealing to me because of its size and weight. I don't think it is a bad choice in any way. I am personally going to wait one season to see how they perform and hold up. But I don't need a marker right now.

[Ebonclaw]

Make sure you hold the mini first...I got a chance to hold one and my first thought was "wow....is this TOO small?" I decided I did indeed like the gun, and it was EXTREMELY small and lightweight, but this may not be for everybody. I wouldn't concern yourself with the PMR being made out of a composite body. It won't make the gun more or less durable, as long as the important parts are made of metal (which they are, save for the ram cap...but a new one of those is like $20 and if you don't crossthread the stock one, you should be fine).

[SnIpErBaIt]

ok...thanks to everyone who responded!

[equipmentcounts]

ok epihany is a nicely upped ion, but nah i wouldnt go wit that

pmr has a higher rate of fire, but the aftermarker boards will eventualyl come out for the mini and have it get the rof up there (even though 20 bps is plenty)

the pmr is bigger and heavier, but nawt by much

the pmr is more upgradeable

the mini is more simplistic and easy to maintain because they designed it that way

the mini has been having problem but got mostly cleared up after the recall

i mean the pos and cons are on both sides, it jus personal preference, like if you want a faster gun go wit the pmr i chose the mini because i like the look, the feel, the size, and the kick butt new technology, but again its up to u nd ur personal preference
The Pmr is about 2 ounces heavier than a mini. PMR is much slower than a mini also. The Technologies of the mini is also not "new" it is just old techonoly rearranged. FYI.



I am all for the mini in that spread, but I was disapointed in some of the design choices.

If the goal is get as light a marker as possible, then the mini fails a few items.

There is no reason I can see to have the gripframe be made of metal.
A carbon fiber with metal fittings would have worked better and be lighter.

Metal is not always tougher than high impact plastics and carbon fiber composite.

I would have liked to see a few basic upgrades, like a drop or some signature accessories like a special halo or egg hopper for the mini. Or a partnership with nitroduck or someone to make a signature air tank.

But that is a big issue I fell that I see across the boards in paintball companies. They tend to think so small.

Look at smart parts, they don't think small. They made the SP-8 by retooling the ion, and at the same time released the usless stock and the usless longer barrel. And people bought he whole package with smiles on thier faces. And at the same time released the blackheart board. What a way to slap your customers in the face. Like it cost more to make the blackheart than the stock board?
But they still bought it!

Carbon fiber frames would cost a lot. There is no way you can have a 400 dollar gn with a carbonfiber frame on it and make profit. 6061 Series aluminum is a good bit more durable than composite;).


In the end it is quite tiny. So ifyou can get your hands on one you should
get one.

[FulRacAttack]

ok the mini has got new pateneded technology, look up the patents on the gun and youll see that for urself bro and the pmr is not slower!!! the pmr has the stock pm7 board in it which can reach 30 bps FYI ***, im pretty sure i gavea pretty fair and unbiased assenssment, so i really dont need yah criticizin me

[<IONFREAK>]

I don't think speed matters that much. You don't really need to shoot over 15bps. Pros work with it just fine and look where they are. 20bps is fast and 30bps is overkill. If you need to shoot that fast you need to practice putting down a better lane or learing to gunfight better.

And "equiptmentcounts" carbon fiber frames arn't that much. A lot of the labor put into carbon fiber is the weaving of the fibers but if you inject the carbon fiber into a frame (of any preffered material) it would cost alot less. Like what AGD did with there classic automag. I know automags are expensive but thats because of the valve and almost nothing else.

[equipmentcounts]

ok the mini has got new pateneded technology, look up the patents on the gun and youll see that for urself bro and the pmr is not slower!!! the pmr has the stock pm7 board in it which can reach 30 bps FYI ***, im pretty sure i gavea pretty fair and unbiased assenssment, so i really dont need yah criticizin me
pmr is not going to go 30 bps.
the way teh Pmr works, by the time you get to 20ish bps you won't be shooting air.
I don't think speed matters that much. You don't really need to shoot over 15bps. Pros work with it just fine and look where they are. 20bps is fast and 30bps is overkill. If you need to shoot that fast you need to practice putting down a better lane or learing to gunfight better.

And "equiptmentcounts" carbon fiber frames arn't that much. A lot of the labor put into carbon fiber is the weaving of the fibers but if you inject the carbon fiber into a frame (of any preffered material) it would cost alot less. Like what AGD did with there classic automag. I know automags are expensive but thats because of the valve and almost nothing else.

carbonfiber in general isn't cheap. It is more exspensvie than aluminum for the of teh fact. But since their is a high demand for carbon fiber (because of the US military's planes) the price has gone up too.

[<IONFREAK>]

I know its not cheap but there is a cheaper way of making carbon fiber frames. That was the main point i was trying to get across but i obviously didn't do it.

[BrownSocks]

The PMR is 2 ounces heavier; and it still feels like nothing! Why go lighter?
You might even forget your even carrying a gun. :dodgy: PMR feels amazing! Anyways i spent 3 months deciding between the two, and i picked the PMR. The only reason why i wouldnt of, is because the mini looks soo sickk, but then you can always get upgrades for the PMR as you can't presently. And 30BPS isn't overkill.. Noone sets the ROF past 26 on the PMR, but the mini is a sweet gunnnn.

[scooter_09]

ok i have a thought to add

a mini or
a pmr or
a pm5 with tadoa board ul frame and lucky bolt

which would be best to buy? those are my three choices that im killing myself over

[irobotnic]

I like the mini cause it' small, but honestly I would go with the PMR. gonna say it straight. (Hopes i dont get flamed.)

[FulRacAttack]

alright the mini is lighter and ur right its only by a little but hold a mini and then hold a pmr and ull see and feel the difference in the weight and how friggin tight it is

also equipment, ur basin the fact that the pmr cant get up to 30 on sheer opionion, the board can reach 30 and i dont see any reason that the internals cant go that high, even the mini can reach 29 if they were to make and aftermarcket board

[<IONFREAK>]

I don't see why the internals couldn't go 30bps. There is plenty of guns now days that can reach that kind of speed. I know cockers are a totaly different type of operating system buit they can shoot 48bps, and yes i ment to put bps and not cps.

[mjr_paranoid]

BPS this , BPS that.

Honestly, it doesn't matter.

15.4 BPS is plenty. And its the limit in almost all tourneys unless you are some sort of god that can walk in semi over that rate.

I see so many people get caught up in the BPS issue and it just isn't a factor.

Unless you are one of those pathetic posers who you see on youtube showing how fast thier "sick" marker is while shooting in thier back yard. ( Ever notice how you almost never see those guys at a field?)

I oocasionally shoot(ramping) at 17-20 in outlaw games, but it has no practical benefit other than intimidation.

[protofreak]

i would go with a mini and i'll explain why

1. Its all metal. I think the epiphany is but i know the pmr is not. The mini would be more reliable

2.simplicity. Now i've never met you so i don't know if your a tech junkie or not but the mini is by far the most simple out of the three. Heck there are only 2 wires in the whole thing i think! The other two are more complicated but i don't know if your a tech junkie or not.

3.Features. Well for one thing the mini is metal. It also has a decent ROF (20bps) and theres no macrolines! its also the most simple out of the three of them. even though the PMR is capped at 30bps, the thing is plastic and not as reliable as the more expensive dye and proto matrix models. And basically the epiphany is just an ion with a metal shell i think

so those are my reasons to go with the mini

Hope that helps :)


u think do you even own one

[protofreak]

pmr is not going to go 30 bps.
the way teh Pmr works, by the time you get to 20ish bps you won't be shooting air.
.

it can ive done the only thing that slows you down is the hopper i used a v35 halo b to do my run with the eyes on and off

[trolleyman98]

u think do you even own one

no from what i have tested. I have indeed tested all of them and i forgot to mention that. and no i'm not truly sure off the top of my head how many wires there are cuz i only TESTED IT.

[FulRacAttack]

yo paranoid has got a point if you ever shoot ramping on a mini and i is defaulted at 15 bps then youll see how freakin fast that is,

plus in semi if you can shoot over 20 bps (no one can, mayb pros fastest ive ever seen is a semi pro who could get to 18) then u should put in the extra cash and get a shocker, ego, angel or dm and nawt waster your time on a mini or a pmr

[danilo]

The mini is simple and plenty good.. to me it's the best marker for the money

[Snake_gunner118]

:eyes: its thinner than a golf ball:eyes:

[kr3wpaintball]

The epiphany/ its a good gun if you want to be able to put a lot of upgrades on it, most of the ion upgrades are compatible with it.

The mini/ great gun if you play up front, there arent a whole lot of upgrades available for it so you'll probubly want to test it out first, there are also a few glitches in the board and some problems with the exterior.

[adds]

ive owned a pmr for 4months now...and i would prefer a mini...its less upgradeable...but its metal, its slower, but its lighter and 20bps is plenty good.

really it all comes down to you.