reply to my closed "OK Seriously" thread

[XSycloneX]

this is a reply to my thread that was closed after being open for less than 12 hours.

CrazyB, do u realize that your just adding to the BE problem. this company is just out to rip people off and make money. they dont care about the players, just $$$. and i actually do own a "crap" gun that i use when i have an obvious advantage when playing newbies. Its called a Tippmann. See, i've had this for 5 years, and its tottaly stock. i dont know why youd throw away 30 bucks like that.

and im not an idiot. its bovious that they arnt as good as shockers and angels and cockers. and yes i'm an experienced player, and i would never buy a BE. when i first started out, i was gonna buy a BE, but one of my friends who got me into the sport told me about their reputation. thats why i bought a Tippmann. such a better gun in performance and dependability compared to all BE guns. and i know that a tippmann isnt as good as a rainmaker which is aimed at the more experienced player. and this is why i asked my original question.

and for the mod who closed my previous thread. WTF. i wanted to get some more opinions before it got closed. 12 hours of response was not what i was looking for. and im not looking to bash on BE. i want to hear what others think. BUT NOOO, i got closed even when i asked for it not to be. you guys are pathetic.

$50 says that the mod will close this really soon, just because it saying something bad about BE.

[Silent Knight]

Like I said man... you are just looking for a reason to start a pointless debate here. CrazyB gave you an explaination, and all you are doing is adding fuel to the fire.

[XSycloneX]

no, im not trying to start a fight or anything. i want to see what other people besides the mods think of BE. you guys close them down before any1 has a chance to reply.

[Magnus55]

How much would you say a cocker costs? about $300 or more right? Well for that much I can get about 10-12 blades or talons. So thats 10-12 more players actually out on the field playing, as opposed to just having one guy with a cocker. That's 10-12 of my friends that I could be getting into the sport, compared to the one lone guy with the cocker. In some situations, it's not always about the quality of the product, rather the quantity and avalibility. And I'm not saying BE guns are low quality either. I'm saying you get what you pay for. A blade or a talon runs for about $30 because you are getting $30s worth of gun. A cocker costs more, because it is a better gun. I'm not debating that fact. But to a newbie a gun is a gun, so what does it really matter? He still gets to try out the sports and gets to sample all the aspects of paintball. So what difference does it make if he has $30s worth or $300s worth of gun in his hands?


I've said it once I'll say it again, BE is designed for the economical paintballer. Not everyone has loads of cash lying around their house to spend on paintball equipment. To your average paintball player 13-18(year old kid) $100+ for anything is a big deal. Some guys just like to mess around in their backyard maybe once a month with their guns they bought from Walmart. Other people may take it to another level and buy expensive markers, jersies, harnesses, etc etc etc. But are not these two different types of people still paintballers? They both play the same sport, use the same rules, heck even post on the same internet forum! So does it really matter?

[CrazyB]

XSycloneX in the previous thread you said that we all fell in love with crappy markers, well look at my signature, those are both amazing guns no matter what the heck you think of either one compared to a cocker or angel, they are both good guns. Now what I am saying is that pump wars with a crappy marker like the talon is fun, and I get to tinker with it with out worrying about hurting a marker that is worth a lot of money. You also forgot a Tippman 98 custom or not is more expensive then any BE product. And yes I'm pissed, because people like you never learn that most BE people aren't morons, they just don't wanna spend $$$$$ on a gun, and the fact that you've already heard everyone's responses to your claims, and you keep fanning the fire.

[Creek]

XSycloneX, BE was around way before you ever starting playing. BE went into the lower end market to bring more people into the sport of paintball.
And there market is for enterer players not someone that really been in the game for years.
Your thread as you say not to bash BE buys is just that. Option's on what ,that they had 86 bucks and wanted to play so they buy a raptor, Or they wanted to play and the guy or girls parents got them a cheap marker to start with cause there kids habits are like they was with the puppy want it to forget tomorrow mode.
my grandsons I got them cheap stuff to start with just to see if they'd take care of it. One has a auto mag now and the other a tl-plus.
But they show me they could take care of it and not shoot up dogs and cats etc. It easy on a parent to bust up a lower end marker and trash it than taking a 250 dollar marker and throwing it out.
Plus not everyone can wait 2 years etc to save up and buy a better marker. So they play and save on rentals which now they can save for a better gun.

[Batman]

really syclone, and you consider yourself a player!!???!!!

[infil]

BE may not make high quality markers, but they do allow almost anyone to get into paintball, and play enough to the point where they might actually decide they like it, and might go out and grab a cocker or spyder etc.

Might want to re-evaluate your thinking a lil bit.
Paintball imo is about going out, having a helluva good time with your friends, and learning how to play better, as well as helping newer players learn to play better.

There has been more than one occasion where i'll let a newb with a BE or lower end marker use the bushy or my cocker to he/she can see what they think.

I still break out my old stingray occasionally. Yeah, its loud, inaccuate, inconsistent, but ya know what else, its freakin fun!

[specter542]

scyclone,
do u see what ur doing to urself. ur making a fool outta urself, b/c no one thinks like you. brass eagle isn't WDP, it isn't airgun design, it isn't tippmann, etc, it is BRASS EAGLE. ok!? spyders are not the greatest guns, and matter of factly, my bro's old stingray has less problemss than the spyder xtra, a HIGH END MARKER> $200. the stingray, $80.
the talon is one sweet *** gun too. we got, and this is no lie, 50+ shots off of a 12 gram. brass eagle is there for beginners. and if it weren't for them, i wouldn't be playing pball. my first gun was an avenger. and it was a good gun, lmao until i lost a piece and returned it. lol that may sound hypocritical but BE has a begining for everyone. what kinda mask do u have? brass eagle owns and JT, viewloader and work w/ tons of companies including spyder.
brass eagle supplies ref's for tourneys, sponsorship, organizes tourneys. so back off and leave, your better off somewhere else.
a true paintball player won't doesn't base respect on ones marker; a true paintball player bases respect on ones personality.

[Villhime98c]

Well said specter.

[EvilPopTart]

You want imput? Here's a wheel barrel load. Sylcone, you turd burgling ***** weasel. YOU ARE THE PROBLEM! You don't have anything nice to say, then shut yo short bus ridin' ***. I just finished defending Brass Eagle and I won't want to type it again. Heres the link

http://www.pbreview.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&postid=375841#post375841

So lemme get a spoon so you can eat my ***!

[paint_suey]

I think what you guys don't know is the performance of a paintball gun. Yeah it's kinda understandable that a plastic gun can't be a big competition for a mag or cocker. Some overlook the rainmaker. Same performance as a cocker in my opinion. Back to what the new guys think is what is important. They will start the next generation of paintball. When your older you can still play and watch others because of that Tigershark that you bought some kid in Wal-Mart. Come on people I stepped on a 22 year old's Talon and I saw a tear in his eye. I went out and bought a whole new kit for him and I'm only 14. I think that was the best paintball moment for me and it ever will be.:)

[Greenfeather]

A comment to paintsuey: GET A B.E. You have absolutely no right whatsoever to bash B.E. (even though that is your intent you're not going to admit it). If you haven't tried their products then you can't say that they suck...go out and fire one. Also, B.E. products may suck, but compared to what? Electros? Autos? They're not into this for the money or for experienced players...people buy BE markers so that they can ge started. Some ten year old kid isn't going to go buy a Spyder or a Tipmann of the internet or at his nearest pro shop. No, what's going to catch his attention is the Brass Eagle stuff sitting at Wal-Mart or at Canadian Tire. It's like CCM bikes...you think any pro is going to ride one? Of course not...they're there for the beginner...you can't compare BE to a tournament grade marker. Let's face it: Who's going to bring a Stingray to a tournament? All you pros have gotten so used to your autos and sorts that you look at everything else in the same way. You can't. Give Brass Eagle a break. And if you hate Brass Eagle so much, why are you posting in this forum?

[Greenfeather]

My apologies to paintsuey...wrong guy. I'm trying here to talk to what's-his-name...that guy who started this thread.

[JUMBOshrimp]

As far as I have seen the Best all arround BE gun Is the Stingray2.. Its semi-- its Hardcore-- and its Cheap as He!!

For a measly 80 bones You get EVERYTHING you need to play A gun -- A Hopper-- A Squegee-- And A mask

People still play with thoes -- And Once again the Arguement comes up that It's Not the Gun It's The player -- You can take Someone Out Just as easily with a Stingray as you Can with a cocker-- The ROF is the Only thing lacking on a stingray So it requires you to AIM

we get newbies here at our property all the time -- They play with our extra stingrays and you know what the Next thing they ALL did -- They bought their own guns --not always Brass eagle But Thats what Got them Addicted

JÜMBOshrimp

[hmm]

Brass eagle definately got me into the sport (as ive said many times)! In fact it got (let me count...) wait, no, i only know maybe 1 or 2 kids out of 40 (or much more, not really sure) that play paintball in my highschool. I would have never bought a $130 tippman, having never played before. Instead, me and about 8 kids bought talons. The number climbed to maybe 12-15 that had talons at one point. And the games we played WERE FUN, if you don't know anything about paintball, it doesnt matter what the hell you use. And many of the kids that bought talons continued playing, and bought $150 guns. The ones that didn't continue only wasted $30 (and still had fun) and are glad that they don't have a $200 piece of metal lying about the house. BE is great for getting people into the sport, especially those that don't have the money to risk investing in an expensive gun. I definately agree that BE stops there: at a beginning level. My only real problem with BE is that their paintballs aren't very good for their price, but it doesnt matter what the hell you use if you have a talon and only have access to wal-mart. Of course ive moved on to better paintballs and equipment today, but how many of us would be playing paintball today if it weren't for BE at wal-mart?