Autococker trilogy pro or ION?

[simplekin]

Hello, i was hoping you guys could tell me which gun is better for a beginner? An autococker trilogy pro, or an ION, or any gun withing those price ranges.

[jtman07]

I would go with the ion just because there more reliable then the auto cocker. Thats my opinion tho

[JChan819]

I'd say neither. VS2, ftw. Easy to maintain, good out of the box. HPA is a must for both guns, with the exception of the 'cocker.

[simplekin]

i don't want to really get the VS2 because it is not liked at the field where I play.

[JChan819]

Huwhaaa??? Why is that, yo?

[iliveforthis99]

Ion, it'll be more reliable then the tril.

[413sonix]

I would go with the ion just because there more reliable then the auto cocker. Thats my opinion tho

Yes it is. An Autococker is far more reliable than an Ion. In this scenario, I would not recommend the Autococker though, since the Ion is better than the Trilly, and there's much better markers in the price range you're looking at.

I say get a VS2 still. Why? It's easy to maintain, upgradeable, fast, has little kick, is accurate, and is air efficent. Who cares if other people don't like your gun, it's YOUR gun, not THEIR gun. If they give you crap, tell them to :censored: off, and gog them. I would not recommend an Ion for a beginner since you have to set everything up, then you have to take the whole thing apart to just get to the bolt, and there's more tiny, fragile parts in there for you to break, or you may route a air hose wrong. The VS2 would be the best choice for you. Keep in mind, you'll still need HPA, and if you want to shoot at least semi-fast, you'll need at least a Revolution. I recommend at the least an eVLution II, but a force-fed hopper like a Halo B, or VLocity Jr., or Pulse would be best.

[Rippin' Spyder]

I would go with the ion just because there more reliable then the auto cocker. Thats my opinion thoIn my opinion, Cockers are more reliable just because its easier to maintain and not very difficult to operate. Try some markers that you like and see what you like best.

[Etfren]

I am going to go with the VS2 as well. It is easier to maintain and diagnose problems with compared to the Ion, plus then you don't have the same gun as everyone else. People dis on the VS2 because it is a Spyder, and Spyder has gained a reputation as a major newbie gun maker, but the new VS series of guns are really good for low-ends. Get the VS2 and tell the people at your field that they can have their opinions about it, and then gog those Ion fanboys.

[JChan819]

^^^^^
QFT, yo!

[jeep_brute]

I would go with the cocker, if you are all about mindlessly shooting get the ion (sorry, if I insult anyone), but the trilogy will be way more accurate and you can only shoot as fast as you can pull the trigger. Autococker's are more reliable, fun to tinker with, accurate, need I say more.

HPA is a must for both guns, with the exception of the 'cocker.
Trilogies do okay on CO2 but N2 is always recommended if you can afford it.

[Mentalmonkey10]

I wouldn't get the trilly. It is slower, heaver, and just as difficult to maintain than the Ion.

The Ion is more fragile and more difficult to take apart, but it is also an EP. The VS2 is a good beginer marker, because it is a Spyder, is easy to tech, and is near impossible to seriously mess up. It matters how "mechanicaly challenged" you are, and if you care about having a marker that is a pain to take apart.

Also, why would it matter if people are hating on your marker as long as you like it?

[jeep_brute]

I agree with Mentalmonkey10 that a spyder would be the best beginner gun but between the ion and trilogy, go with the trilogy.

[di$TOrTed]

ion :tup:

Ions are great beginner guns as long as you do your research on what to do and what not to to, and how to maintain it.

[Everlight389]

ion :tup:

Ions are great beginner guns as long as you do your research on what to do and what not to to, and how to maintain it.

Word.

Go with the ion, it will carry you farther than any blowback ever could. Even if stock it isn't as good as a vs2, if you dump any money into it the gun will have greater rewards than a spyder. The ion will always be lighter, smaller, and more efficent than a blowback.

If you decide to go used, ion's resale is fairly low because the market is flooded with them, so you can find them with upgrades very cheaply. I let go my ion with a trigger and feedneck that was almost new for something like $180 shipped.

You can use ion's with co2 without much of an issue. I seriously recommend at least anti-siphoning the tank or getting an HPA tank though. Picking up a HPA tank is a worthy investment and one that I strongly suggest saving your money for.

Anyways, try reading up in the ion forums, and best of luck.

[413sonix]

Efficent? My friend's Ion gets 400 shots off of a 48ci/3,000psi HPA tank, and I got 600 off of my Spyder. Dump money into a Spyder (Spimmy) and it has greater rewards than an Ion.

[Lopez17]

Except the Spyder will never be electro pneumatic. It'll still be a sear tripped blowback unless you Spimmy it. Frankly, I'd recommend the Ion. It's no more delicate and no harder to work on than a cocker. The trouble with the Trilogies is there's not a lot you can do to upgrade them beyond what you already have stock (unlike the old vert cockers).

The Ion has a great many upgrades and while it's efficiency isn't near as good due to the fact that it's a spool valve it uses a solenoid and is fully EP. It will also allow you to upgrade as slow or as fast as you'd like and will work well in it's stock configuration. I'd recommend buying from your local pro-shop and having them do any work that's beyond you initially but for the long term, the Ion is the better buy. The spyder and mech cocker will only get you so far. The Ion will get you a bit further in terms of capability/potential before you'd need to upgrade.

[Rippin' Spyder]

Cleaning the ion is the worst. You have to take the whole gun apart, with a chance of losing/breaking something. So I'd say trilogies are easier to clean/maintain.

[Cheesy Charlie]

So what if the ION is harder to clean; work on a towel so you dont loose any of the small parts. Its worth it in the long run.

[Rippin' Spyder]

To you it may be. To others it may not be. I've owned an ion...I didnt hate it, but it wasnt my favorite marker I owned. Its personal preference.

[iliveforthis99]

I would go with the cocker, if you are all about mindlessly shooting get the ion (sorry, if I insult anyone), but the trilogy will be way more accurate and you can only shoot as fast as you can pull the trigger. Autococker's are more reliable, fun to tinker with, accurate, need I say more.
How is it more accurate? There's no difference between an open bolt and a closed bolt in accuracy. Plus w/o an eye you have to be mindful of short stroking.

Cleaning the ion is the worst. You have to take the whole gun apart, with a chance of losing/breaking something. So I'd say trilogies are easier to clean/maintain.I take it you've never taken an ion apart right? It's easy as can be to take it apart and clean easier then a blow back i'd say. You have only have two moving parts the bolt and a small piece in the noid. How much simpler do you want it? If you lose any pieces on an ion you shouldn't be playing paintball. Noobs these days.

[Everlight389]

When I had my ion(s) they all got pretty good efficency... possibly because I had a QEV and had tuned it down a bit, but I was getting almost 3 bags of paint per 68/45 fill.

In any case, the ion still has less kick and is lighter than any spyder. Being electropneumatic (no springs) is a serious plus as well... they are far more consistent shot to shot and can provide high rates of fire with negligible kick.

Spimmy-ing a gun isn't generally a good route to go. In the end you'll spend almost as much - if not more - than you would to have just bought an intimidator. If you know what you're doing and can get the parts for cheap, then more power to you. But in general, it isn't worth it. Might as well drop the $50 and just get a new body and build a true intimidator.

[413sonix]

How is it more accurate? There's no difference between an open bolt and a closed bolt in accuracy. Plus w/o an eye you have to be mindful of short stroking.

I take it you've never taken an ion apart right? It's easy as can be to take it apart and clean easier then a blow back i'd say. You have only have two moving parts the bolt and a small piece in the noid. How much simpler do you want it? If you lose any pieces on an ion you shouldn't be playing paintball. Noobs these days.

Taking apart a Spyder is easier, or a Cocker for that matter. You just pull a pin out, and the bolt comes out. If you tell me a Ion is still easier, you're derranged.

[Mentalmonkey10]

I would go with the cocker, if you are all about mindlessly shooting get the ion (sorry, if I insult anyone), but the trilogy will be way more accurate and you can only shoot as fast as you can pull the trigger. Autococker's are more reliable, fun to tinker with, accurate, need I say more.

Cocker's are not inharitly (spelling) more accurate than any other marker. If fact, if you take a cocker and any other marker, put the same barrel and the same paint in both, they will shoot identical (or near to it).

Efficent? My friend's Ion gets 400 shots off of a 48ci/3,000psi HPA tank, and I got 600 off of my Spyder. Dump money into a Spyder (Spimmy) and it has greater rewards than an Ion.

I wouldn't spimmy a spyder. It would be a fun project, but for the cost you could pick up a used 2k2, D2, or a 2k5 timmy.

[iliveforthis99]

Taking apart a Spyder is easier, or a Cocker for that matter. You just pull a pin out, and the bolt comes out. If you tell me a Ion is still easier, you're derranged.Bolt key word there. You also have the hammer, valve, and the 3 way to deal w/. Compared to one main moving part to the several moving parts on cockers and spyders the ion is way in advance. I tell ya some of you guys are getting as bad as ion owners w/ your spyders.

[Rippin' Spyder]

I take it you've never taken an ion apart right? It's easy as can be to take it apart and clean easier then a blow back i'd say. You have only have two moving parts the bolt and a small piece in the noid. How much simpler do you want it? If you lose any pieces on an ion you shouldn't be playing paintball. Noobs these days.Incorrect, I have taken it apart. I didnt lose anything to it, but getting the bolt out takes a while. Just remember that you have to take the frame off and everything because I did not have an aftermarket body, which would give me the opportunity to have a bolt out the back. If that were the case, it wouldnt be that bad.

Also, I liveforthis you are steriotyping with your ****. Go to PbN where the rest of the *******es go.

[iliveforthis99]

Incorrect, I have taken it apart. I didnt lose anything to it, but getting the bolt out takes a while. Just remember that you have to take the frame off and everything because I did not have an aftermarket body, which would give me the opportunity to have a bolt out the back. If that were the case, it wouldnt be that bad. It doesn't take long if you know what you're doing, before i got my ST shell i could strip my ion down in just a few minutes. Only one thing really holds up the process and that’s the middle frame screw.

Also, I liveforthis you are steriotyping with your ****. Go to PbN where the rest of the *******es go. You don't know me so i'd keep those kind of comments to your self pal. But any case if i was i'd have to say the same about you. Mods please close this before we have a major flame fest going.

[jeep_brute]

How is it more accurate? There's no difference between an open bolt and a closed bolt in accuracy. Plus w/o an eye you have to be mindful of short stroking.

I take it you've never taken an ion apart right? It's easy as can be to take it apart and clean easier then a blow back i'd say. You have only have two moving parts the bolt and a small piece in the noid. How much simpler do you want it? If you lose any pieces on an ion you shouldn't be playing paintball. Noobs these days.

Sorry, about all the flaming and just note that autocockers are known to be more accurate. The design enables then to shoot straighter also the fact that they come with some of the best stock barrels around.

[Rippin' Spyder]

Mods please close this before we have a major flame fest going.Well then dont start one and there wont be any problems.

Any marker can be as accurate as another.

[iliveforthis99]

The whole cockers are more accurate is BS it's been proven that's it completely untrue. Cockers are known for a few things some good some bad but one of them is not better accuracy then other guns.

[413sonix]

Actually they are. Whether it is true or not, even though it isn't, you say most accurate marker, there's always someone to say Autococker.

[malcontent]

Sonix is right on this...

afew reasons were because of the origional name (the sniperII?) and because when they were the top of the line markers and only WGP made them, they did use the best barrels they could find. unfortunatly, now, the companys that make any form of auto-cocker use the best stuff they can at cost. ie: they arent the actual best, but they got a great deal on some mediocore ones.

now the whole myth of paintball accuracy is really symantics anyways. as accuracy is really (in the case of paintball) all in the ball of paint. your not gonna get a dime sized shot grouping from anywhere further than 15 feet away reguardless of barrel to paint matches, gas efficiency or any of that hooplah. you'd be lucky for a six inch grouping. the simple physical fact that liquid is motion with in motion prevents a gel filled capsul from flying in a straight and (with in reason) predictable path. this is one of the major reasons why dumping thirty rounds into a target has become popular. accuracy through volume.


now about the maintanence thing? every marker is different, reguardless. and every marker becomes easier to maintain the longer you've had it. now granted, some markers are excedingly easy to start with. (Palmers Blazers for example... to clean it, dip it in water and then pull the bolt out. no tools required, literaly. the bolt is held in by a spring loaded nut. pull the nut out and pull the bolt out the back, viola.) what can be extremely easy to one person, could also be extremely difficult for another, espescialy when they change the style of marker they're useing. going from an inline blowback to a stacked tube blowback will be just as difficult as going to a blow forward. it all depends on the person trying to maintain the marker.

people just need to quit bickering over which marker is better because they all do the same thing in the end, and thats put paint on YOU.

[413sonix]

You mean them. I gotta get me one of them Blazers. If all you have to do is dip it in water, that's awesome.

[Everlight389]

Try to keep to intelligent discussion, not stereotyping or ad hominem attacks. This isn't the American political arena.