Front Player Markers

[MINDofSIN]

What are desireable qualities and features you look for in a marker for playing up front.

My friend has been asking me alot what paintgun he should get and I don't know what to tell him. He moves around alot and attempts lots of crazy moves.

I suggested a Bushmaster, Impulse, or Automag.

He has about $900-1000 to work with.

[Letchworth40]

i would say a bushy or impulse with a 10inch boomer and a drop. Its small, fast, and accurate. For 900 he could get a nice imp setup

[jaronervin]

If he's going electro, I'd suggest the Impy b/c of its size and weight. However, you shouldn't forget the infamous tricked out cocker for him...

[MINDofSIN]

In my experience Autocockers are a bit heavy and hard to snapshoot when compared to a Bushy or Mag. I don't have much experience with Impulse's but I have shot them.

[jaronervin]

woah! cockers are lighter than electros in general. Have you ever felt one next to the other? And exactly what makes a gun hard to snapshoot? Anyway, what ever you do, dont get a shocker. Those are one of the heaviest guns I know of.

[Codestar20]

The electros that I have shot are a lot lighter than the cockers I have shot.

I would get a nice bushy or impulse set up. They can shoot very fast and are nice and light.

[SyntaxError]

Best advice he can ever get:

Shoot as many guns as he can, and see which one he likes best that he can afford.

There's no way you could talk me into shooting a cocker over my LCD, but that's entirely my opinion. Other people are exactly the opposite, and would give up their firstborn before their cocker. Some people prefer long and light triggers, others prefer stiff and short ones....get the idea?

No matter how good a gun is, you'll be useless with it if YOU don't like it.

[Letchworth40]

got another idea....

SFL Cocker with drop and 10-12 inch boomy. This will probably be as light or lighter than the other electros.... This is my dream setup :)

[cardbordwarrior]

Originally posted by Letchworth40
got another idea....

SFL Cocker with drop and 10-12 inch boomy. This will probably be as light or lighter than the other electros.... This is my dream setup :)

dude u would be quite dissapointed with a sfl.they suck, the trigger needs work and they chop.i know several people who hate thiers and yes the guns are in time and not messed up.
evolution cockers own, but back n topic id say a custom impy (demonic, ratpulse, or other) or a custom cocker.

bty
or a gen x cocker,pmi fiber wrapped 68 ci tank,freak and a richoseat it is 1,059 dollars.that would be A NICE SETUP.

[Autococker0286]

Go with the good old cocker

[MINDofSIN]

Cockers lighter than Bushmasters, Impulses, and Mags? Stock?

I've shot stock, Black Magic, STO, upgraded stock and a custom Merlin with ripper like milling

A Defiant, 2 Bushmasters

I played a short game with an early model Impulse

2 upgrade stock mags. One was really nice and I used it the whole day

I don't think the Autococker would suit my friend's style of play. Also, he would probably mess up the timing wanting to know how the gun works.

[MINDofSIN]

Originally posted by cardbordwarrior

bty
or a gen x cocker,pmi fiber wrapped 68 ci tank,freak and a richoseat it is 1,059 dollars.that would be A NICE SETUP.

Whoa, didn't see this part. I'm interested in upgrading from my Pirahna...where did you find that deal?

[blinkpk11]

an emag is the best snap shooting gun ive ever used.

[orryn]

at www.e-paintballoutlet.com he could get a cave rat impulse. Vert reg, freak barrel with/one insert, drop forward, blad trigger, derlin bolt, voodoo full flow valve, stickies and ****** milling. Only costs 700. there were be enough left over for a good nitro tank.

[133+ Player]

I have little exsperience with high end guns. but if he would want you could always completely trick out a spyder or Piranah. Like an Xtra with LcD, tornado valve, prolly ciouple a aka parts, and that way yuou could afford a freak sytsem too *drools*

[VeNoM]

hmmm well i think my STO is about the same weight (if not slightly lighter than my old bushy) how ever the bushy was smaller and easier to snap shoot with. especially since the trigger was so light, i could pop out and get off a good amount of shots and pull in quick. where as with m STO i can only get like 3 off, usually more like 2. how ever they are more accurate shots IMO, so it depends. a RAT pulse would be awesome, i used to not like impies, but i like that one! i vote go for that, a nice air system, and a upgraded revvy (turbo rev with impeller) or a ricochet. . .

[VeNoM]

Originally posted by 133+ Player
I have little exsperience with high end guns. but if he would want you could always completely trick out a spyder or Piranah. Like an Xtra with LcD, tornado valve, prolly ciouple a aka parts, and that way yuou could afford a freak sytsem too *drools*


im sure you already know, but this is a bad idea!! especially when you have $1000, you might as well just burn it. if you put all that money into it and made an awesome marker, it would be worth about half when your done if dont even use it. the more you use it the more it will go down. and they are still blowbacks! why would you want a $1000 blowback?!

[jaronervin]

you could always completely trick out a spyder or Piranah
Honestly, only an idiot would put $800 into a Spyder, rather than buying an Impy or something. A stock Impy, Bushy, and every other gun mentioned here could easily perform with, if not outperform, a tricked spyder. By the way, how do you put the quoter's name in the quote?

[orryn]

Originally posted by jaronervin

Honestly, only an idiot would put $800 into a Spyder, rather than buying an Impy or something. A stock Impy, Bushy, and every other gun mentioned here could easily perform with, if not outperform, a tricked spyder. By the way, how do you put the quoter's name in the quote?

Just click the quote button to the left

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[jaronervin]

cool. Thanks for the input!

[anchorite]

I play right tape on both of my teams... right now I shoot a matrix with a 10" freak.... it is sweet.

but, if he wants to spend 900-1000, he should definatley buy a stock black or silver 2001 angel from www.pbgear.com , which would cost him just over 900$$$

that would be his dream setup. angels are great man. dont listen to people who bash them. every angel I have ever shot has been well worth its cost. (I am getting an IR3)

[orryn]

wow...i never thought angels were that low priced (relative to other angels). I always saw them at like 1.3k and up.

[133+ Player]

Originally posted by jaronervin

Honestly, only an idiot would put $800 into a Spyder, rather than buying an Impy or something. A stock Impy, Bushy, and every other gun mentioned here could easily perform with, if not outperform, a tricked spyder. By the way, how do you put the quoter's name in the quote?

..... i think not

A tricked out spyder would out perfrom an impy or sumtin ( :D) especailly if in that 800 dollars there was a freak system so :P

[133+ Player]

Originally posted by VeNoM



im sure you already know, but this is a bad idea!! especially when you have $1000, you might as well just burn it. if you put all that money into it and made an awesome marker, it would be worth about half when your done if dont even use it. the more you use it the more it will go down. and they are still blowbacks! why would you want a $1000 blowback?!

Either way u have 1000 dollars into a gun so i don't see the difference.

[cardbordwarrior]

Originally posted by MINDofSIN


Whoa, didn't see this part. I'm interested in upgrading from my Pirahna...where did you find that deal?

go here
http://order.store.yahoo.com/cgi-bin/wg-order?unique=2e583&catalog=actionvillage&et=3c82ec8b&basket=5Ccfe188d80055033c82e328579c528e088d8512438 4435716b8e648fb6100667

i pmed you about it

[jaronervin]

Originally posted by 133+ Player


..... i think not

A tricked out spyder would out perfrom an impy or sumtin ( :D) especailly if in that 800 dollars there was a freak system so :P
are you telling me if your Spyder has a freak system, it'll outperform an impy? What, do you think because you have more barrel sizes, it makes the gun better? If you have a good paint/ barrel match, you wasted $200 on additional inserts that you don't need. And no, a tricked out spyder wouldn't outperform an impy, because there isn't even that much tricking available. Basically, you're saying that an open-bolt, blowback gun w/ a new bolt can outperform a closed-bolt electro? Besides, if you had $1000, would you honestly rather buy a mass-produced Spyder over an Impulse or Bushmaster?

[orryn]

Originally posted by 133+ Player


Either way u have 1000 dollars into a gun so i don't see the difference.

There is a huge difference. Have you ever shot a bushy or an impluse or a cocker? If you have, then you should know the difference between a blow back and a high end marker.
I know that my stock impy can out shoot any blowback out there. Blowbacks max, and I mean max at like 9 bps. Even 9bps is pushing it. The impy does 13 bps out of the box. Since there are no springs acting on the bolt, the possibility of chopping is very little. Also an impy with a new barrel will easily have the same accuracy of the 1k blowback, if not better accuracy. Cockers are the most accurate markers out there. Even if they don't have a high rate of fire, they more than make up for it with accuracy.

One more thing, are you saying that a 1k spyder is better than an angel? Angels go for a little less than 1k at www.pbgear.com

[the other one]

actually, i know a guy who bought a spyder compact 2k, and put everything into it imaginable. he put a custom barrel, hopper, trigger, grip, and s really cool optical sight that's accurate within a few inches from a good distance away. so don't anyone tell me that you can't get a REALLY nice gun out of a spyder. im not really sure if its as good as an impy or boblong gun, but its up there.

[orryn]

It probably was a really nice marker, but it will not compete with an impy or a cocker.

[133+ Player]

Yes it will.... There r only 2 or 3 things that make a good gun. Accuracy, Efficentcy(sp), and Bps listed in that order. It's that simple you can make a spyder just as good as an impy in those three categories the only thing you may not be able to pull is intimidation but that doesn't do TOO much

[orryn]

I will grant you this, in the hands of a really good player either marker will be very competitive. I have seen people with angels get messed up by some bad ***** player at my field with some BE pos. But for majority of the time, upgraded spyders DO NOT compete with an upgraded electro. If spyders did compete don't you think you would see a lot more tourney players using spyders instead of matrixes, impies, cockers, shockers, bushies, etc.

[133+ Player]

Maybe it's a sectet *shhh* :) well mine will be so :P

and it's not like that doesn't make it an option. People just want the guns cuz they look kewl. I like the feel of spyders and since i can'[t pay one BIG amount of cash i am slowly upgrading.

[orryn]

whatever floats your boat. I do understand how liking the feel of your eq is very important.

[jaronervin]

Originally posted by the other one
actually, i know a guy who bought a spyder compact 2k, and put everything into it imaginable. he put a custom barrel, hopper, trigger, grip, and s really cool optical sight that's accurate within a few inches from a good distance away. so don't anyone tell me that you can't get a REALLY nice gun out of a spyder. im not really sure if its as good as an impy or boblong gun, but its up there.
So basically, you're trying to say that since a $90 compact has a new hopper, barrel, grip, and a "really cool optical sight", it can compete with a cocker or impy? It would take a WHOLE lot more to even come close to the quality of even a stock cocker.

[anchorite]

there are alot of newbies in this forum who dont know what they are talking about.

this is pretty funny.

I wont list any names.

but a "tricked out spyder" is still a spyder.
no where near good enough to compete wiht higher end markers.

[133+ Player]

not really. It takes an electric trigger but it can compete.

anyways since i'm a newb lets take a look at outlaw torn's profile.

TO start 374 wow ur really getting up there....
under Biography just pimpin....

If i'm a "newb" what does that make you... if your not a newbie then i'm glad i am.

And i still don't udnerstand why people think that a gun really matter in competition and in the game a spyder will not be a handicap.

[orryn]

No it does not take an electric trigger. It takes an electro pneumatic bolt. The electric trigger just allow you to fire the mark and a faster rate. But the electro bolt it what lets the marker really fly. On the impy, all the electro trigger does it connect a circuit which makes the bolt fire. The spyder is always using the main spring as it's driving force.

[133+ Player]

Yes Stock and in a few areas it is better but they can Compete! It's that simple. The Bolt is a large factor but with enought skill and ther right upgrades (witch i am willing to do) you'll be completley fine sides the thing only makes it so it can go the other 3 or 4 Bps witch after 10bps it truthfully is just a waste of paint.

[orryn]

dude...we never said that in the right hands an upgraded spyder can't kick ***, we are just saying that a high end marker is a better marker. A skilled player a stock compact could easily school a newbie with an angel.

[jaronervin]

ok, I'm not going to name any names here, only numbers (133). If you're a noob, have you ever SEEN a gun any better than a spyder? I mean, lets be honest here: if a tricked spyder, which will cost (according to your purchase plan) around $400, could really compete with a $1000+ electro marker, would anyone really buy the more expensive marker? Even though you seem to disagree w/ our opinion that impys and cockers are better, the numbers speak for themselves. And although you seem to ignore all our explanations as to why tournament guns are better, you cant ignore the fact that people still buy them. And, in speedball, there is no such thing as wasted paint:laugh: !

[Paint Bulley]

Dont think for sale... But check that out :) :)

http://www.airsoldier.com./warlord.shtml

if you dont think that's sweet, get a shrink!

[MINDofSIN]

Any marker can compete with any other if they both work...

Honestly now, I know a guy with a Spyder who is awesome. He regularly takes out players with more advanced markers with his Spyder. When he uses a teammates gun, his game gets thown off and he doesn't play nearly as good.

It's like...could a Ford Bronco compete with a Humvee? Sure it could. Maybe it's not as effective in certain areas(ie water) but it could still hold it's own in a race.

And, like a wise man once said:

Arguing on the internet is like the special olympics. Even if you win you're still retarded.

[orryn]

Originally posted by MINDofSIN

And, like a wise man once said:

Arguing on the internet is like the special olympics. Even if you win you're still retarded.

LOL! well said

[133+ Player]

Yes even in speedball you can waste paint. And An Upgraded Spyder Can Compete! So PleH!

[orryn]

dude give it up....the argument is pointless.

[BlindSeaman]

It is pointless, but still valid. Personally if he has $1000 in a lump sum of money just buy a higher end marker because he can re-sell it for more. I shot a spyder with hyperframe and warp this weekend, never chopped and it was just as fast as any electro out there. I have used angels, mags, cockers, imps etc. Its all about feel and reliability both of a which a lower end marker can have. Being "truely" pneumatic has nothing to do with it. Springs drive the striker of cockers and no one complains about that.

Anyway, I won't reccomend one just because of the resale value and all of the **** he would have to buy. Personally I would wait and get one of the new timmi's comming out, small light and fast.

[133+ Player]

Ok i think enough peps support or agree (to some point) with me so i'm done

[Deep Sixx]

Originally posted by jaronervin

And no, a tricked out spyder wouldn't outperform an impy, because there isn't even that much tricking available. Basically, you're saying that an open-bolt, blowback gun w/ a new bolt can outperform a closed-bolt electro?

Uhh, dude... Impulses are open-bolt, just like Spyders. And for the record, there's no difference in performance between open bolt and closed bolt.

I have both... a 2002 Impulse and a LP Spyder TL+. I like them both very much. Spyders can be made very competitive, just ask Bad Company... actually, it might be better to ask EVERY other team in the NPPL as BC has beaten them all... with Spyder Xtras.

Spyders are cool... but so are lots of other markers.

D6

[133+ Player]

man deep six is smart! :D he knows what he's tlkin

[jaronervin]

Impulses are open-bolt, just like Spyders
That wasn't the point. Instead of reading line-by-line, read the reply as a whole. And fine, answer this question" If you had $1000, would you buy an electro, cocker, or an upgraded Spyder?
Yes even in speedball you can waste paint
If the shot was pointless, would you really shoot it? When I play speedball, I'm either aiming for someone, or giving cover. Thats not a waste of paint. Unless you are shooting for NO reason, its not a waste. And if you think it is, maybe you should rethink your game plan and make your shots count.

[Deep Sixx]

Originally posted by jaronervin

That wasn't the point. Instead of reading line-by-line, read the reply as a whole. And fine, answer this question" If you had $1000, would you buy an electro, cocker, or an upgraded Spyder?


Umm, well... I have an upgraded, low-pressure Spyder TL+, and I have an Impulse. So, I guess I could go either way on this. I don't have a 'cocker, though... so I'd have to say I'd spend my $1000 on an upgraded Spyder (which I did) or an electro (which I also did).

D6