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MisterMister
05-08-2007, 01:15 AM
Well I have been playing paintball on and off since the mid 1990s. Lately I have gotten back into the sport with a vengeance. Over the past 2 years I have spend thousands of dollars on markers, mods, and paint. One of my FAVORITE things to buy for my markers, however, are barrels.

I have literally owned DOZENS of different barrels, and have shot at least twice as many as I have owned (one of which I ended up buying because I liked it so much, but more on that later)...

Anyway, I thought I would share my past experience with you guys. I know there are about a billion "what barrel should I buy" and "what barrel is better" threads floating around and being started every day. So, I figured I would answer all of these threads and preemptively answer all the forthcoming threads all at once.

To make this easy on you, I will list the top THREE barrels of all time (IMO, of course). Keep in mind that these are listed in no particular order. All of the following barrels have their own strengths and I like them for different and varying reasons. ANY of which, however, would serve you VERY well as your primary or even your ONLY barrel.

First up is...

The Dye Ultra-Lite:

This is a GREAT all around barrel. It is very light (as light as aluminum barrels get. EVER.), and very sturdy. You can swing this around in the woods and not have to worry about denting or dinging it on the tree next to you. Of course because it's made by Dye you know it’s going to be a top quality product, but its more then the sum of its parts. This is a 2 piece barrel which shoots straight and doesn’t compromise performance for anything else. You don’t even really need to paint match this barrel... which is good because they only make 3 different sized backs. If you are going to get ONE back, stick with the standard .688 version. This will properly shoot just about anything you can throw at it. If you must, go ahead and get the larger and smaller (then the .688) backs, but they wont be used very much unless you use some really odd sized paint.

Of course, if you are the type who MUST properly size their paint no matter what, and wants every last ounce of performance out of their barrel, this one might not be for you. If that’s the case then you want...

The Deadlywind Whisper Carbon-Fiber barrel:

This has got to be the most accurate barrel I have EVER used. Given that it uses Freak inserts, you can properly paint to barrel match ANY size paint no matter what. Just select the proper size insert, slap it in the barrel and shoot away! You will be spot on every time with your shots. This is a barrel for that guy who MUST get EVERY last drop of performance out of his marker. Plus this thing is LIGHT. Even with the heavier (then the aluminum) Stainless Steel Freak inserts, its lighter then the Stiffi Carbon-Fiber barrel (which is super light in it's own right. Lighter then the Dye Ultra-Lite in fact!). Just how light is this barrel? Well, the entire barrel in 14" form, is LIGHTER then ONE Freak insert! That’s right, the barrel is LIGHTER then the INSERT! It's simply AMAZING. This barrel will also shoot through just about ANYTHING. 2 to 3 shots will clear it out to the point that its shooting like you never had a break. Oh, and one other bonus... you can swab this thing with whatever you want. Unlike every other Carbon-Fiber barrel, it won’t catch it's fiber weave on soft material swabs, making it unravel.

The only downsides to this barrel is the cost (100 bucks for the barrel + whatever you want to spend on inserts) and the fact that you have to constantly switch inserts to get the best paint to barrel match. If that’s not exactly your cup of tea then there is a better choice for you. That, being...

The Palmer-Pursuit Shop Brass Barrel:

This is the ULTIMATE "one shot wonder" barrel! If you only own ONE barrel, make it THIS barrel. It is a single piece barrel which doesn’t use any inserts or anything else. It doesn’t NEED to. This barrel will shoot as well as any properly paint to barrel matched KIT. You read that right, the PPS Brass Barrel will shoot as well as an entire barrel KIT, WITHOUT needing to switch out backs, barrels or inserts! How does it do this? The PPS Brass is "elliptically honed". This means that the bore of the barrel tapers from large to small and back again. This ensures that no matter what size paint you use it gets a proper barrel size match at some point. This allows the PPS Brass barrel to shoot just as well as any properly paint to bore matched, high end barrel. To top it all off, this can be the CHEAPEST barrel of the trio... by FAR. In fact, the least expensive version of the PPS Brass barrel only costs $45.00 USD! And the only difference between the least and most expensive versions of the barrel is only cosmetic! They ALL perform EXACTLY THE SAME! That’s right, the 45 dollar version shoots just as well as the 115 dollar version! The price adding options include the finish coating (the color of the exterior of the barrel), and porting (AKA "venting". The spiral drilled venting holes only decrease sound levels, and do NOTHING in terms of performance one way or another!).

The only down side to this barrel is it's weight. It’s heavier then the other barrels listed (by a lot by Deadlywind standards), but it’s not a super pig. It’s actually lighter then a Dye Hammer-Head barrel back! So unless you are SUPER sensitive to weight, have the arm strength of a 6 year old girl with leukemia, or MUST have the LIGHTEST marker on the block, this shouldn’t matter much to you. Especially considering what this barrel does for you!

Well, there you have it. My top 3 barrels, why I like them, why you should like them, and why you might not want them. I hope this helps some of you make that decision on "which is better" or "what barrel should I buy". I know if I had someone with my experience telling me this stuff 2 years ago, I would have saved a LOT of time and MONEY. That is for DAMN sure. I can only hope the same goes for you.

-joe

QUICK LINKS:

Palmer-Pursuit Shop Brass Barrel:

http://www.palmer-pursuit.com/online-catalog/barrels.htm
https://www.palmer-pursuit.com/ecom/index.php/cPath/60?

Deadlywind Whisper Carbon-Fiber Barrel:

http://www.deadlywind.com/
http://store.deadlywind.com/product/a52da757-bb49-4c95-891b-4e1953742e12.aspx

Dye Ultra-Lite Aluminum Barrel:

http://www.dyeprecision.com/productsmain.asp
http://www.pbreview.com/products/reviews/493/

jeep_brute
05-08-2007, 04:52 AM
Thanks, I have been looking into the Palmers, and your review helps.

MisterMister
05-08-2007, 03:29 PM
Glad I could be of assistance.

I honestly think that the Palmer-Pursuit Shop Brass Barrel is one of the best made and designed barrels EVER. Unless you want to drop some cash on a top of the line kit (like the Deadlywind Whisper + complete Freak insert kit. Total cost = over $200.00), then this is the BEST option for you. What I mean to say is, that it will take almost 200 dollars (USD) to meet the performance of the PPS Brass barrel while matching the amount of different paint sizes which you can accurately shoot. It really is that good, and all for as little as 45 bucks. For the price it can NOT be beat.

I didn’t believe that a single barrel could do everything which Palmer claims. So I borrowed one from a friend of mine who had been using their barrels for years. I shot every type of paint that I could find, including year old field paint. They All shot perfectly. I was sold form that point on. I now have owned three of his barrels, and the latest addition to my collection has found a home on my Proto Matrix Rail.

MisterMister
05-08-2007, 04:10 PM
Oh I forgot to mention. About the brass which the PPS is made of. Brass offers the lowest friction coefficient in regards to paintball casing gelatin. This means that brass offers the LEAST amount of friction when in contact with a paintball. This allows there to be less kinetic energy lost through friction with the barrel, and that it will shoot out breaks like no other.

Just another reason why the PPS Brass barrel is one of my 3 favorite barrels!

-Joe

fuzzyllama
05-08-2007, 04:52 PM
Very nice, now i know if i ever get another gun besides my phantom, to get the PPS barrel. And the deadly winds, my friend has it on his PMR/Infamous Timmy, and yes it is ACCURATE. BTW, does PPS make brass barrels for phantoms?

MisterMister
05-08-2007, 05:40 PM
PPS does anything. If they dont make it in mass, they will do custom work. I suggest you e-mail Craig Palmer (Yes he answers questions for his customers), or just give them a call (they operate on Pacific time. They are in California).

http://www.palmer-pursuit.com/contacts.htm

BTW, I love those phantoms. Good choice! They are the next best thing to a houndstooth and Superstocker in the world of pumps!

frasermckean
05-08-2007, 08:28 PM
So Craig Palmer might make a barrel for the Maverick? I have one and was looking into a new barrel. I have found a J&J Ceramic with maverick threads for the same price but if he will make one for $45 than thats what I will definitely the palmer barrel that if it does all that you say it does.

MisterMister
05-08-2007, 10:44 PM
Id call them up and ask. If its a custom job, I dont think it will be 45 bucks though... but I have no clue so it's best just to contact them directly.

MisterMister
05-09-2007, 12:16 PM
Someone asked me a while ago "if the elliptical honing means that the barrel bore goes from a smaller diameter to larger and back again... why is it that if you shoot a large sized paintball it does NOT break when it gets to the smaller diameter bore?

I had a few other people ask the same question since then, so I decided to e-mail Palmer and ask that exact same question. Here is the correspondence:

"I have a question about your barrels... in specific the elliptical
honing. I know that the bore of the barrel goes from larger to smaller
and back again. I also know that because of this your barrels act as
if it's like an entire barrel KIT (shoots all sizes of paint,
accurately). But what I don't get is WHY you don't get more breaks
because of this... I would assume that if you shoot too large of a
paintball it would get caught up where the barrel bore tapers down to
a smaller diameter and break in the barrel... yet this doesn't happen.
Can you please explain this?

Thanks in advance,

-Joe"

Craig palmer replied:
"The ball will expand a little when air pressure is applied to the back
of the ball. The ball will return to normal shape while it travels
down the barrel.


Our elliptical honing is very slight.. maybe .002 verience

Craig P."I hope this answers the question in question.

-Joe

bvdave
05-09-2007, 01:00 PM
were studies not dont to disprove th emyth of the expanding paintballs upon being fired to prove they star round the whole time?

MisterMister
05-09-2007, 01:31 PM
Yes, I have read that study… and it doesn’t apply here. The testing in question wasn’t done with an elliptically honed barrel. It was done with a simple straight bore barrel, with only the force of the expanding gas acting upon the paintball. In this case, the gas AND the bore of the barrel is effecting how the paintball deforms during its travel down said barrel.

TheSpy11
05-09-2007, 06:02 PM
.002 is not nearly enough to cause the brass barrels to act like a full kit, period. Kits can range over .010, far more than .002 - it's simple physics. Good sales gimmick by Palmers in this case.

fuzzyllama
05-09-2007, 06:08 PM
PPS does anything. If they dont make it in mass, they will do custom work. I suggest you e-mail Craig Palmer (Yes he answers questions for his customers), or just give them a call (they operate on Pacific time. They are in California).

http://www.palmer-pursuit.com/contacts.htm

BTW, I love those phantoms. Good choice! They are the best thing in the world of pumps! Next are the houndstooth and Superstocker

Corrected. You got yourself a little mixed up there buddy ;)

MisterMister
05-09-2007, 06:09 PM
.002 is not nearly enough to cause the brass barrels to act like a full kit, period. Kits can range over .010, far more than .002 - it's simple physics. Good sales gimmick by Palmers in this case.

You really dont know what you are talking about. You should just quit now.

Go try one for a few weeks, put a couple dozen types/sizes of paint through it, then get back to me...'till that happens you are just blowing smoke.

Corrected. You got yourself a little mixed up there buddy ;)

Pfft, sure ;)

fuzzyllama
05-10-2007, 06:39 AM
You really dont know what you are talking about. You should just quit now.

Go try one for a few weeks, put a couple dozen types/sizes of paint through it, then get back to me...'till that happens you are just blowing smoke.

In all honesty i agree with the whole how can a barrel kit compare to this pps barrel. logically speaking, that does make sense. However mister, i dont doubt what you are saying and fully believe what you claim.


Pfft, sure ;)

I am glad you changed your mind and now see the truth:)

MisterMister
05-10-2007, 01:02 PM
rofl

letheledout1392
05-12-2007, 10:26 AM
get a sly, best barrel i have ever seen on a rail, i have oen and love it

MisterMister
05-13-2007, 08:58 PM
you obviously havent seen many then.

babustos
05-13-2007, 09:45 PM
You really dont know what you are talking about. You should just quit now.

Go try one for a few weeks, put a couple dozen types/sizes of paint through it, then get back to me...'till that happens you are just blowing smoke.

Now I guess that you have experience over me because I have never used the PPS Brass barrel, but Spy is right. A Sceptor kit with .693 paint and .693 insert will probably have the same accuracy as the Brass barrel with .693 paint assuming the bore of the barrel is around .693. However if you have a Sceptor kit with .685 paint and .685 insert, it will be more accurate than .685 paint with the .693 bore of the Brass barrel. I'm sure that the Brass barrel is awesome, but it doesn't offer the compatibility that barrel kits do. This goes along with all 1 piece barrels excludin the Lucky Un1tech.

jeep_brute
05-14-2007, 04:29 AM
you obviously havent seen many then.

What are implying is better?

MisterMister
05-14-2007, 04:21 PM
The DeadlyWind Whisper is much better then the Sly.

And the PPS Brass does a great job in keeping pace with actual barrel KITS with a wide range of paintball sizes.

babustos
05-14-2007, 06:48 PM
The DeadlyWind Whisper is much better then the Sly.


Put both barrels on the same gun with the same paint and same bore size, I guarentee you one won't be noticeably better than the other. Under certain circumstances, some barrels can be just as good as other ones.