I've got some questions... do you have answers?

[Volksjager06]

Ok, so I'm not really all that new to paintball. I've been playing for a year or two. But I never really got all that technical with it until I started shopping around for my newest marker, a few weeks ago. With all the research I did, I learned a lot but raised a few questions as well. I was wondering if you guys could help me out.

1) I know what dwell is... sorta. It's the time air is allowed to linger in the solinoid, right? Well, that's a good definition, but what does it actually do? I'm a little bit fuzzy on it, so if I could get some clarification on it's actual function, impact on the marker, proper setting, factors affecting the setting, etc. I'd really appreciate it.

2) What is First Shot Drop Off? I've heard this term thrown around a lot, but I have no idea what it is.

3) This question is purely to settle something. My friend has a Tip98 Custom and has a major problem with CO2 freezing up his reactive trigger and I suggested that Nitrogen would probably help with this a lot. My friend with the 98 said that he'd be better off buying a new marker because 98's can't run on compressed air without first changing all of the internals. This dosen't sound right, but I'm no tippman tech... I'd appreciated if somebody could settle this for me.

Well, those are my questions. Thanks a lot for the feeback, guys.

[Accident]

1: its best defined as how long the bolt is forward, or how long the valve stays open to vent air into the breech

2: some markers (due to the way they work and what lube they use) will not fire at velocity for the first few shots if they have been left to sit for any good amount of time. its not a huge issue if you take care of you marker and you fire a few clearing shots before each game.

3: hes wrong, compressed air works fine on tippmans. and if he is having problems with liquid co2 suggest getting an anti-siphon tube installed in the bottle.

[Samrog777]

1) I know what dwell is... sorta. It's the time air is allowed to linger in the solinoid, right? Well, that's a good definition, but what does it actually do? I'm a little bit fuzzy on it, so if I could get some clarification on it's actual function, impact on the marker, proper setting, factors affecting the setting, etc. I'd really appreciate it.

It's the amount of time in miliseconds that the valve is open, allowing air in. What it actually does it basically fire the paintball. Proper setting depends on the marker type and also marker to marker.

2) What is First Shot Drop Off? I've heard this term thrown around a lot, but I have no idea what it is.

Firsst shot drop off (FSDO) is when the first ball that you fire from a gun shoots at a lower velocity.

3) This question is purely to settle something. My friend has a Tip98 Custom and has a major problem with CO2 freezing up his reactive trigger and I suggested that Nitrogen would probably help with this a lot. My friend with the 98 said that he'd be better off buying a new marker because 98's can't run on compressed air without first changing all of the internals. This dosen't sound right, but I'm no tippman tech... I'd appreciated if somebody could settle this for me.

All lies. Compressed air is better.

[Evil_Wayz]

I have answers. Do you have cash?

[Volksjager06]

haha thanks a lot guys.
That clears up a lot and I figured compressed air would be fine for a tippman, but the antisiphon is a really good idea that hadn't even occoured to me.
And I feel a bit retarded, but I'm still a bit fuzzy on the whole dwell thing... So... it pretty much is the rate at which the bolt cycles, or more accurately, how long the bolt takes to cycle? And also, I know there are some things that can help with cycle rates and also allow for you to decrease the dwell on a marker (I plan on getting a new bolt and a qev for my Ion). But how do I know how much to lower these by?

Thanks again for all the help.

[spyderpilot642]

You will see when you have the gun in front of you test it out while messing with the settings. With my ion when I got a qev i set the dwell to like 10, pretty low, then shot it with some paint until the gun started to fully cycle and shoot consistently.
www.nicksdistortion.com (http://www.nicksdistortion.com) will help with some stuff too.

[Milky Spore]

haha thanks a lot guys.
That clears up a lot and I figured compressed air would be fine for a tippman, but the antisiphon is a really good idea that hadn't even occoured to me.
And I feel a bit retarded, but I'm still a bit fuzzy on the whole dwell thing... So... it pretty much is the rate at which the bolt cycles, or more accurately, how long the bolt takes to cycle? And also, I know there are some things that can help with cycle rates and also allow for you to decrease the dwell on a marker (I plan on getting a new bolt and a qev for my Ion). But how do I know how much to lower these by?

Thanks again for all the help.

Dwell is the amount of time the solenoid valve, or valve stays open and lets air flow through it, measured in milliseconds. The rate the bolt cycles at is CPS (cycles per second), but dwell can't be for how long it takes the bolt to cycle because in markers like Autocockers, the bolt stays closed when the valve releases air, so it is just when the valve lets air flow thorugh it, but in this case, it would be the solenoid.

To get the best settings, read the Ion forum stickies.

[Volksjager06]

Dwell is the amount of time the solenoid valve, or valve stays open and lets air flow through it, measured in milliseconds. The rate the bolt cycles at is CPS (cycles per second), but dwell can't be for how long it takes the bolt to cycle because in markers like Autocockers, the bolt stays closed when the valve releases air, so it is just when the valve lets air flow thorugh it, but in this case, it would be the solenoid.

To get the best settings, read the Ion forum stickies.

I hadn't even thought to look in the Ion forum... :rolleyes:

But I'm understanding that my best bet is simply to tinker around with it until it seems to be performing at the best level. Seems crazy enough to work. Thanks guys.

[hybrid-sniper]

3. Yes and no. If you are running a High pressure air tank then you will have no problems. If you get one of the low pressure tanks then you need to get the LP kit because tippmanns have a high operating pressure.

[NJKILLA]

Yup

[Volksjager06]

3. Yes and no. If you are running a High pressure air tank then you will have no problems. If you get one of the low pressure tanks then you need to get the LP kit because tippmanns have a high operating pressure.

So for the Tippmann, it'd be best just to go with an HP tank? Becuase from what I've seen Low Pressure Nitro tanks tend to run a little bit more expensive than HP tanks. So an LP tank would just be a lot more expense and headache, right?

[Milky Spore]

So for the Tippmann, it'd be best just to go with an HP tank? Becuase from what I've seen Low Pressure Nitro tanks tend to run a little bit more expensive than HP tanks. So an LP tank would just be a lot more expense and headache, right?

Yeah, always get HP tanks unless if it specifically states in the manual you must use a LP output tank.

[hybrid-sniper]

Yes it would be preferable to get a HP tank. Not a whole lot of guns require you to use a LP tank (Angels) so with the HP tank you can keep that when you decide to upgrade guns.

[Volksjager06]

Oh, I've already got an Ion (which I've got an HP tank for... I'm not sposed to use LP, am I? I don't think so, but I'm just checking). The whole HP-Tippmann thing was a dispute I was having with my friend who owns a 98c.

[Milky Spore]

You can use LP tanks on a LP marker, but it is best not to unless if it is required by the manufacturer. So, the Tippmann would need HP tanks.

[gs7793]

all i use on my tippman is nitrogen, obviously that dude was just trying to sound smart:eyes:

[Evil_Wayz]

all i use on my tippman is nitrogen, obviously that dude was just trying to sound smart:eyes:

Ya know, I'm starting to see what y'all mean about 2k7er's....

[Lopez17]

Ya know, I'm starting to see what y'all mean about 2k7er's....

LOL. You rock. :tup:

[JChan819]

Ya know, I'm starting to see what y'all mean about 2k7er's....


All the while, I never had the courage to say. :dodgy: You made my day, E. :D

[Volksjager06]

Ya know, I'm starting to see what y'all mean about 2k7er's....

I'm uhh... lost.
But yeah, I figured HPA would be fine on a 98. I actually tried my tank on his marker the other day. Unfortunately, as soon as I disconnected the tank, the burst disk blew- which didn't help my "no really, it works fine" case. It also kept me from using my Ion that whole day because I was about an hour or so from the nearest field, and we were short on play time. I'm not sure why the 98 blew the disk, it was probably some odd fluke... but yeah... it was pretty lame, in any case.

[gs7793]

actually, i think hpa might b messing my tippmann up..... but i'm not sure that its the hpa...:|

[nu cidd]

actually, i think hpa might b messing my tippmann up..... but i'm not sure that its the hpa...:|

I think its the user.

[gs7793]

OH, arent u jus sooo cool! you can flame ppl! get a life you looser....

[nu cidd]

Ok. i'll get a life, do you have any suggestions on where to get one?

But seriously, HPA wont do anything to your tippy. If your not oiling it, or taking care of it, then it might get messed up. Plus you have a VS3 just use that.

[malcontent]

seriously the only markers that wont take HPA is stock class, and only because they dont make HPA 12 grams. ofcourse you could switch it from cart to CA, but it would just be pump then.

any marker that can use CO2 can use HPA/Nitrogen with out any change to internals. the reverse however isnt true. if a marker specificly says it needs HPA then you will have to either convert the marker internals or get an anti-siphon tank for the CO2 to work properly w/out destroying your marker.