best tank for angels?? [Archive]

Phant0m Ref

03-03-2002, 09:02 PM

WDP's main intention when creating the A.I.R, was for it to work directly with the Angel. So of course it is gonna be the A.I.R

One recommendation i'd like to make. If you get the Air. Strip the GovrnAir's guts, which will make it a normal gas-thru.
Coming straight from a Certified Tech. This is the best way to achieve top consistency.

If you are unaware of how to strip the Reg. here's how. Its simple really

Just take out the circlip. Take the guts of the reg out, Everything!. Large piston, Spring stack, small piston & Ball bearing.

Re-grease the large & small Piston o-rings with lithum grease & when you re-install the guts leave out the ball bearing & spring stack.

Thus you have a Gas thru.
set your A.I.R's output pressure to about 350psi & your ready to rip!

sorry for the long rant. Its just a suggestion

wolverine

03-04-2002, 05:30 AM

At Skyball, John Rice told me, the Angel is like the Engine in a high performance car. The AIR is like the Transmission. As he said "put a crappy trainsmission on a high performance car and you have a crappy car that looks good."

ajc7755

03-04-2002, 06:25 AM

What do you guys think about the warped air?

Phant0m Ref

03-04-2002, 09:16 AM

Its just an regular center flag bottle w/hyperflow reg & a crappy paint job:rolleyes:

nothing special.

Presets aren't the way to go on an Angel. Like wolvie heard & I Quote"the Angel is like the Engine in a high performance car. The AIR is like the Transmission". As he said "put a crappy trainsmission on a high performance car and you have a crappy car that looks good"

wolverine

03-04-2002, 09:42 AM

What I thought was even funnier is that when John told me that he pointed to one of the other vendors (one that makes cheap preset air tanks).

It was funny :D

mmhsval

03-04-2002, 02:44 PM

Not all presets are bad and slow. hyperflows aren't bad and PMIs arent that bad.

mmhsval

03-04-2002, 02:49 PM

Not all presets are bad and slow. hyperflows aren't bad and PMIs arent that bad. If you do run a pre-set you should put on an aftermarket vert reg. By the time you have bought a good preset and a good vert reg you have just about paid for a conquest.

mmhsval

03-04-2002, 02:50 PM

sorry didn't mean to post twice:(

2k1AngelShooter

03-04-2002, 04:58 PM

Ya I must agree here, I've been running a dynaflow, I love it, very consistent no shoot down. PMI's on the other hand....ACI makes a decent one too.

Phant0m Ref

03-04-2002, 05:55 PM

If you have a top of the line Gun, Why not feed it with Top of the line Air System.

Its like putting regular Gas, in a Ferrari!

2k1AngelShooter

03-04-2002, 09:20 PM

Cause maybe not everyone can afford having another 200 dollars into an air system, when presets work fine. Now if I were playing pro-tourneys and I had to be +-1 thats one thing, but I'm not and I can live with a bit (and I stress BIT) more variation. My presets flow great, I have no shoot down, great consistency and thats all I want. Plus I set everything I own (or owned) or work up with preset screw ins so i dont have alot of tanks that only work on one gun. Everyone on my team (cept for my 4500 maxey) uses screw in's, and because I do their airsmithing when it is such required it works for me.

Sorry if I sound upset, I just don't appreciate being told I am mistreating my marker, or that I am doing something wrong when I know I am not. Pre-sets just work for me, please do not look down upon or make people feel like less when they have something less than that. I'm probably getting an AIR over the summer when I can afford my 500 dollar car payment, school and have enough extra money to drop into another air system and still be able to buy paint so I can play that weekend.

-sorry had to vent-

2k1AngelShooter

03-04-2002, 09:22 PM

BTW, I do agree it's like putting, well mid-grade in a ferriari, it will still run, and more than well enough for most people, just not the same as Trick, Av-Gas, Sunnco or just plain old premium.

Course CO2 would be like running diesel in a ferriari, or just buying a ford.

Kidding....about the ford

Phant0m Ref

03-04-2002, 10:12 PM

The thing that baffles me is, People spend so much on their angel & always buy extra parts either for looks or performance(which rarely does anything). Why not save that money & spend it on a Top of the line Air system.

I'll bet you've got some upgraded parts on your Angel. So why didn't you just forget the extra Fancy do0-hickey's & buy an AIR right off the bat?

Im always hesitant to beleive people that own Angels & say they can't afford a good air system. If you have an Angel, you must have a decent paying job to afford one. So you can't say you Can't afford an AIR, you just don't want to afford one. Or say Mommy & daddy pay for your Angel, well great that only leaves you $700 to save up for an AIR, instead of $2400 for the complete setup.

See what im getting at here. People with Angel Can afford A good AIR system.

Owners that say they can't Are lying & just don't want to afford it.
Those are the people that would own a Ferrari & settle for Regular Gas.

(sorry if my previous post offended you, i didn't mean for it to be offensive.)

2k1AngelShooter

03-04-2002, 10:21 PM

No I understand, you just have to realize there is some people who just don't feel like paying for AIRs or whatever when a good quality preset is available for half the price. No mine isn't upgraded, I like the way it shoots right now. My shocker, I modded the piss out of it, and I never shoot it any more.

First off, I did pay for everything on my angel, I pay for all my toys. I'm also the lead guitar player in a local and great blues-rock band, I have 17 guitars, 15 of which are worth over a thousand dollars, a couple worth over 2k. I have 3 vintage amps, used to race firstgenfirebirds, restore show cars, Work ALOT...ALOT ALOT, have a gf (who because she plays is giving me an excuse to buy a new cocker of some sort...probably a KAPP of genx3). Anyway, some people have other things to attend to other than paintball. I wish I had an AIR, Hell I'll probably own one soon. For now, preset screw ins work great for me.

PS, I used to run my 13 second Show 69 firebird on regular... don't belive me? Check it here, www.geocities.com/dkauer744/index.html
Here's my bands website www.geocities.com/oootheband/index.html

Thank you for appoligizing though, that is much better than some people that would post on this site.

wolverine

03-05-2002, 06:34 AM

Just to clarify, not all pre-set tanks are bad. Many of them are high quality and will work great on an Angel.

However as we all know, you get what you pay for.

2k1AngelShooter

03-05-2002, 07:33 AM

Originally posted by wolverine
Just to clarify, not all pre-set tanks are bad. Many of them are high quality and will work great on an Angel.

However as we all know, you get what you pay for.

Thank you Wolvie, thats all I'm trying to say. I've had great luck with Center Flag presets.

Phant0m Ref

03-05-2002, 09:24 AM

See, you CAN afford one. You just choose not to, since you have other interests to spend money on. If pre-sets do it for you, GREAT. I just wanted to point out that most Angel owners that say they can't afford one, really can & are just hesitant to do so.

Nice website by the way. i signed your guestbook

:)

2k1AngelShooter

03-05-2002, 11:23 AM

Thank you, I appreciate it. Well, see I have the income, but none of it is avaible and is tied up in other areas!

::POW:: Take that!

Jk, no I understand what you are saying, but some people just choose not to run a different air source. When I bought my fly I couldn't afford a better air system.

SEPHIROTH_086

03-13-2002, 07:22 PM

AIR, MaxFlow, Armageddon

SyStEm-AbC

03-22-2002, 10:41 AM

20 oz co2, lol j/k :pissed: get a maxflow

color_wolf

03-23-2002, 12:30 AM

Well, my friend has a team that was all using high end tanks and they felt that the a preset is just as good so 4 out of the 6 players on the team are switching to a Crossfire system.
There have also been tests that say the crossfire is just as good as the top end systems

MINDofSIN

03-23-2002, 03:37 PM

show us.

JorynnRace

03-25-2002, 05:58 PM

indeed, proof is in the... well... proof.

Phant0m Ref

03-25-2002, 06:45 PM

Oh yes, Im sure the Crossfire system will Blow the A.I.R, Max-fl0, Armageddon outta the water in performance!!!:rolleyes:

ajc7755

03-25-2002, 07:34 PM

Hey that ford joke hurts. I know where 2k1 AngelShooter is coming from. See, I am in college and right now I don't have a gun, I just bought a Mustang GT and have spent money tricking it out and I just bought my angel. Right now I just have a PMI 68 4500 because untill the summer, all my money just drains away from my car, school and paintball. Just because you can afford an angel doesn't mean you can afford AIR.

Phant0m Ref

03-25-2002, 11:00 PM

How much did your Mustang cost you??,
where are you getting all this money for your Car & upgrades??.
If you want to, You can Afford it.

wolverine

03-26-2002, 05:09 AM

Before I got an AIR system I used a preset Nitro Duck Tank on my LED & LCD. It worked very well. There are a couple good preset screwin tanks out there, Nitro Duck is one of them, but there are also a lot of junk tanks out there.

ajc7755

03-26-2002, 05:25 AM

Actually, unless I drop out of college I cant get the money. See my car is used and I spent all I could afford to get it $7000. I got all this money from working summer jobs since I was 15, and not spending any of it. At that time, my old car had 130,000 miles and I was using an automag. Also I put the upgrades in when I still had the mag. I didn't really think about an angel till afterwards. My angel is completely stock, so no cosmetic upgrades, and I still couldn't afford an new AIR.

2k1AngelShooter

03-26-2002, 04:23 PM

Originally posted by ajc7755
Hey that ford joke hurts. I know where 2k1 AngelShooter is coming from. See, I am in college and right now I don't have a gun, I just bought a Mustang GT and have spent money tricking it out and I just bought my angel. Right now I just have a PMI 68 4500 because untill the summer, all my money just drains away from my car, school and paintball. Just because you can afford an angel doesn't mean you can afford AIR.

Thanks bud!

polarbear

04-08-2002, 09:29 AM

Just wondering, with all the talk about pre-sets I got lost ...Are you saying that A.I.R. is better than a Max flo or centerflag or Conquest? What do you base that on that it is from WDP and it electronic??????? Please explain.

2k1AngelShooter

04-08-2002, 04:08 PM

I think most people will agree AIR is the best (apparently), maxflo and geddons in a close second. From there it's Centerflag presets and ACI presets (in my exprenice).

However, I've had excellent luck w/ CF presets and while I can now afford an AIR, I'm sticking with the centerflag.

polarbear

04-08-2002, 05:28 PM

I don't think I made myself clear in the last post. So I try again.

Originally posted by Scott Misfits
Air, Conquest, Armageddon, Max Flo, Hyperflow/Dynaflow. They'll all be good. I personally have the conquest.

After this I think it was wolverine and phant0n ref said something like you don't put a crap transmission in a nice sports car and (others maybe to lazy to go back and look )said some stuff about regular gas. My question was this about all other HP tanks or about presets or what. If you are saying that you think that A.I.R. is BETTER than all these other adjustable reg. tanks I would like to know what make you think that. From what I have read some of the list above have a better flow rate than the A.I.R. I'm not saying A.I.R. is bad, I just saying I don't think it is BETTER. I have shot the A.I.R. but I do love centerflag products. Ok flame away :D

JorynnRace

04-08-2002, 05:53 PM

Dude, lots of people put lots of different tanks on their Angels. Not everyone can afford the best after dumping a whole bunch of cash on an Angel. (despite what some of you think)

The BEST tanks are going to be those which are not preset, sure, but does that mean that the AIR is the best? According to WDP it is. But they made it now didn't they? So they are going to be kind of biased and want you to buy their very expensive tank.

I think you will get just as good consistency from a max-flow or a MAC DEV Conquest (which is what I have played with and will be getting with my new Angel). In fact with a max flow, the reg is so good that you don't really need to use the reg on the Angel. You can gut it and just use the max flow (so I'm told).

Personnally, I don't think the extra cash for AIR is worth the possible performance gain you will get over other adjustables.

valkir

04-11-2002, 12:47 PM

Well, about the centerflag presets, i have one on my angel too and when i shoot like 9bps i get a huge shoot down as low as 220 fps, i am most sure that the tank is not providing enough air flow and plan on buying an air.

2k1AngelShooter

04-11-2002, 02:59 PM

Wow, check your on gun reg and then Call centerflag. Yours should NOT be doing that at all. I've never had shoot down w/ mine at 13bps.

polarbear

04-12-2002, 11:33 AM

Originally posted by valkir
Well, about the centerflag presets, i have one on my angel too and when i shoot like 9bps i get a huge shoot down as low as 220 fps, i am most sure that the tank is not providing enough air flow and plan on buying an air.

I would agree with 2k1AngelShooter. There is a problemthat should be fixed/checked out. Before I got my adjustable centerflag I had the preset centerflag on the my angel and I never had any shoot down problems. I shoot 9-10 bps with a very nice line no drop at all.