Vs2 Or ion?

[cclaxattack30]

One of my Friends is looking to buy a new gun. Hes narrowed it down to an Ion or a Vs2 and cant decide. (is searched for this topic but couldnt find a thread quite like this, if there is one, link me and ill glady close this)

anyway, i wanna read some for and against both guns since after reading the reviews he is still unsure.

Thanks for your times guys.

[alnmike]

Stock: Go with VS2.
If you wanna spend $500 to make Ion upgrades, just get a DM6 or something.

Vs2 can go as fast as an Ion can, Ion has ramp, but VS2 can get the Ions ramping speeds pure semi.

Vs2 also feels sturdy as hell, Ive heard Ions are mostly plastic, but if he wants an EP marker, then Ion.

Personally, im just getting a Tboard for my VS3, and then thatll be the only upgrade ill ever have to make to shoot 25+ bps.

[Milky Spore]

Yeah, you didn't seach.

There is a lot of threads on this subject. Check in the newbies forum, there's a few threads in there.

[cclaxattack30]

oh, my bad. Like i said, i tried.

[Tippmann98 93]

Ion has more modes, rebound, 3 shot, 6 shot, semi and auto

VS2 only have 3- semi eyes on,semi eyes off, 3 shot burst.

I like the VS2 but if you want more modes and more ability to customize choose the ion.

discountpaintball.com is a great place to get the VS2 you can choose to get a free body or a free barrel tip.

[Rippin' Spyder]

Vs2 also feels sturdy as hell, Ive heard Ions are mostly plastic, but if he wants an EP marker, then Ion.You've never owned or held an Ion huh?

Probably havent even read about them. 1 part is plastic. Outer shell. Its to protect the internals, even that can be exchanged for an aluminum body if need be.

I'd go with VS2 jsut cause I love spyders, but either is fine.

[pbmatador23]

With the VS2, you get amazing stock for you money. If you wanna toy around and upgrade ur gun alot, then go with the ion.

I personally would go for the VS2.

[Milky Spore]

You've never owned or held an Ion huh?

Probably havent even read about them. 1 part is plastic. Outer shell. Its to protect the internals, even that can be exchanged for an aluminum body if need be.

I'd go with VS2 jsut cause I love spyders, but either is fine.

You forgot the trigger. :P

[Tippmann98 93]

Im pretty sure both are legal in tortaments

[alnmike]

You've never owned or held an Ion huh?

Probably havent even read about them. 1 part is plastic. Outer shell. Its to protect the internals, even that can be exchanged for an aluminum body if need be.

I'd go with VS2 jsut cause I love spyders, but either is fine.


Correct, ive never even held an ion, I just hear about them breaking down all teh time , from all of my 'never reading', and if you need a piece of plastic to protect the internals, then thats considered made out of plastic. Or, you can buy an alluminum body, sure, but how many cases of paint can you not buy in order to upgrade your marker because its plastic?

[xXBloodLustACXx]

VS2 for sure, needs no upgrades when you get it, it's already very nice stock. The Ion, on the other hand, needs $70-100 to make feel like more than a lump of poorly machined metal (ASA, rail, feedneck, trigger)

[babustos]

Correct, ive never even held an ion, I just hear about them breaking down all teh time , from all of my 'never reading', and if you need a piece of plastic to protect the internals, then thats considered made out of plastic. Or, you can buy an alluminum body, sure, but how many cases of paint can you not buy in order to upgrade your marker because its plastic?

Ions can be very reliable guns if you take care of them properly. Its not just a piece of plastic, its tough composite plastic thats also being used on more guns. You don't NEED an aluminum body, it won't make the gun any better, just look nicer. The Ion body is tough enough to withstand tough blows, so don't think it will shatter like glass.

Ion or VS2, that is the question. Before anything, you need a decent hopper and HPA. Once you've got those, then decide. If you want a gun that will not be upgraded and want it to shoot nice out of the box, get the VS2. If you want a gun that is more popular and can be gradually upgraded and doesn't come great out of the box, get the Ion. The main thing it comes down to is the upgrades, in order to make the Ion shoot well enough you need a trigger and feedneck which can add up to $60+.

[alnmike]

I originaly wasnt saying that the plastic would break, I just said it had plastic. The not working I read about is because EP guns seem like more of a reliability issue than oiling the striker every other game lol. (Usually, im better at maintenance than that, but at least I take it apart and clean it every time it gets remotely hit.)

[pacman552SD]

dm5 new for 550$< pmr 350$ < 150$uped ion< vs2< stock ion

[Milky Spore]

dm5 new for 550$< pmr 350$ < 150$uped ion< vs2< stock ion

The heck? We're not talking about DM5's or PMR's.

And, yes, both markers are tournament legal.

[babustos]

I originaly wasnt saying that the plastic would break, I just said it had plastic. The not working I read about is because EP guns seem like more of a reliability issue than oiling the striker every other game lol. (Usually, im better at maintenance than that, but at least I take it apart and clean it every time it gets remotely hit.)

Now thats just silly, EP guns do have more tinkering than blowbacks, but can be very reliable and don't need oiling every other game. For poppets you can go a long time without lubing them, spools not so much.

dm5 new for 550$< pmr 350$ < 150$uped ion< vs2< stock ion

I really hope you meant for the less than signs to be greater than signs.

[xXBloodLustACXx]

I originaly wasnt saying that the plastic would break, I just said it had plastic. The not working I read about is because EP guns seem like more of a reliability issue than oiling the striker every other game lol. (Usually, im better at maintenance than that, but at least I take it apart and clean it every time it gets remotely hit.)

The plastic definitely won't break on an Ion, despite all the bashing it's actually really strong. It's more about feel than durability though; I'm sure SP or Proto wouldn't make a gun with plastic knowing that it could easily break, but since they choose to cut corners it just doesn't feel as high-end. The Ions frame is metal too, but overall kinda poorly machined and you can feel the difference.

[METALLICAT]

Same with what everyone else said, but i have more to add.

If your friend wants the ablility to shoot as fast as he can, then Vs2. If he wants to have something else help him shoot 17 balls per second then an Upd Ion. As far as Stock, the Vs2 has the Ion beat easy.

I personally can get my Vs2 up to 14-16 Bps. Thats more than any Ion owner can say about themselves with out help. The Vs2 is also very easy to maintane.

Bassically cuz your getting everything youll need right out of the box, go with the Vs2. Like the others have said, your going to need to put more money into it just to get it up to Vs2 stock ness.

[babustos]

Same with what everyone else said, but i have more to add.

If your friend wants the ablility to shoot as fast as he can, then Vs2. If he wants to have something else help him shoot 17 balls per second then an Upd Ion. Why would you want to shoot more than 17 bps? Even in most tournaments thats not allowed. In a game, a person will never notice the difference of when they're shooting 17 bps and 19 bps. As far as Stock, the Vs2 has the Ion beat easy. By a slim margin I would have to say so, but add a feedneck and trigger and I would rather have the Ion. If you bought the Ion used, you could get it for a little bit more than the VS2 and it would be upgraded.

I personally can get my Vs2 up to 14-16 Bps. Thats more than any Ion owner can say about themselves with out help. No it really isn't, Ions can get up to 17 bps. Even with the stock trigger, it depends on the person pulling the trigger, one may be able to walk the stock Ion trigger 17 bps, the other only 10. The Vs2 is also very easy to maintane. Same with the Ion, once you understand the firing can, bolt, and internal hoses, theres not much else to do.

Bassically cuz your getting everything youll need right out of the box, go with the Vs2. Like the others have said, your going to need to put more money into it just to get it up to Vs2 stock ness.

If you can buy used, get an Ion. If you want new and to stick with it the way it is, get the VS2. If you want new but will eventually upgrade the gun, get the Ion.

[Zaunji]

Stock: Go with VS2.
If you wanna spend $500 to make Ion upgrades, just get a DM6 or something.

Vs2 can go as fast as an Ion can, Ion has ramp, but VS2 can get the Ions ramping speeds pure semi. Yeah but will your fingers get to 17bps? No, not likely, your an idiot. Also the Ion's semi is capped at 17 (same as ramp). You don't need more then 15bps on any gun, anything more is really for just showing off.

Vs2 also feels sturdy as hell, Ive heard Ions are mostly plastic, but if he wants an EP marker, then Ion. The only things plastic on an Ion is the shell and the stock trigger. Which is really like 5% of the total thing, plus both parts can be easily replaced.

Personally, im just getting a Tboard for my VS3, and then thatll be the only upgrade ill ever have to make to shoot 25+ bps. You won't get to 25+, most people can't even walk 12, and almost no one can get to the 20's. They only allow 15bps at tournys anyway.

Same with what everyone else said, but i have more to add.

If your friend wants the ablility to shoot as fast as he can, then Vs2. It mostly depends on your ability, not really the gun. You don't need anything more then 15bps anyway. If he wants to have something else help him shoot 17 balls per second then an Upd Ion. You can use semi on an Ion, and people can walk very fast on Ions. As I said is depends on your ability. Who said you can't use semi on an Ion anyway? As far as Stock, the Vs2 has the Ion beat easy. Barely. Plus you can just spend like $60 to replace the Ion's stock feedneck, get a new trigger and get a QEV. Then its already a lot better then any VS2. Then you can go farther and make it even better.

I personally can get my Vs2 up to 14-16 Bps. Thats more than any Ion owner can say about themselves with out help. No you're also an idiot. You can use semi on an Ion. You don't need to use ramping. It depends on your ability on how fast you can walk the trigger.The Vs2 is also very easy to maintane. Ions can be very easy to maintanece.

Bassically cuz your getting everything youll need right out of the box, go with the Vs2. Like the others have said, your going to need to put more money into it just to get it up to Vs2 stock ness.
I'm really starting to hate VS owners now. They're getting so cocky, like the first Ion owners...

Anyway.
The thing that the Ion has, that the VS2 doesn't is upgradablity. When You get a Vs2 its pretty much just stuck there, you can only get like a board and a barrel. Though with an Ion you can take it further (a lot further). You can get an asortment of different upgrades to keep making it better. You don't even need to put 100s of dollers in either. Just get a new feedneck, trigger, QEV and its already a lot better. Then you can get an ASA, bolt, detents, board, barrel, reg, and a bodykit(not really necessary, but you can get one).

If anyone ever makes another VS vs Ion thread then I'm going to go to their house and stab their children.

[Vexa]

I'm really starting to hate VS owners now. They're getting so cocky, like the first Ion owners...
QFT.

I use the stock trigger on my Ion, and I have no intentions of changing it out. I have to admit, the stock magnet is pretty awful, but I just took it out, and I love it now.

[soccerjacks12]

If you buy a VS2 over an Ion, you're head is not screwed on correctly.

[METALLICAT]

Bab, and Zaunji, first, Myself and Alnmike dont even play in tournys.

Also, i know it depends on your ability. Thats why i said "Without help" my understanding was that Stock Ions shoots 12 BPS, so that was my basis for saying what i did, and i didnt appreciate being called an Idiot.

Also, alot of people that are new to the sport chooseing either an Ion or a Vs2, will be better off with the Vs2. If you have to spend near 60 bucks to get a new Feedneck, trigger, and a QEV you might as well just get the Vs2 and spend the 60 bucks on an Air Tank.

[cclaxattack30]

If you buy a VS2 over an Ion, you're head is not screwed on correctly.


My Buddie went with the VS2.
I'll be sure to tell him your thoughts.:dodgy:

[babustos]

If you buy a VS2 over an Ion, you're head is not screwed on correctly.

I would rather have a VS2 if I COULD NOT spend over $200 on a gun and only buy new.

Bab, and Zaunji, first, Myself and Alnmike dont even play in tournys. Me neither, but thats not the point. Both guns can shoot at about the same speed, and without aftermarket boards they won't be able to surpass too much.

Also, i know it depends on your ability. Thats why i said "Without help" my understanding was that Stock Ions shoots 12 BPS, so that was my basis for saying what i did, and i didnt appreciate being called an Idiot. Stock Ion boards are capped at 17 in ramping and semi, and capped at 10 in either burst or auto. The Ion is basically as fast as the VS2.

Also, alot of people that are new to the sport chooseing either an Ion or a Vs2, will be better off with the Vs2. If you have to spend near 60 bucks to get a new Feedneck, trigger, and a QEV you might as well just get the Vs2 and spend the 60 bucks on an Air Tank. Personally I wouldn't recommend such a good gun as a first gun. The Ion only needs a feedneck out of the box, everything else is almost preference. The stock trigger is sloppy, but can be put up with. The QEV is unnecessary unless you're looking for greater efficiency, the Ion's efficiency isn't bad for a spool valve and the increased cycling speed will do nothing with the stock board.

[pbmatador23]

I would rather have a VS2 if I COULD NOT spend over $200 on a gun and only buy new.

I agree. And I wouldn't buy the Ion if I couldn't spend some good money on upgrades.

[xXBloodLustACXx]

If you buy a VS2 over an Ion, you're head is not screwed on correctly.

Lol... I just checked and my head's not on backwards or anything, so let's go into this a bit. Pretty much all stuff I already said 10000 times in various places but anyways...

An Ion doesn't cost you $200; SP lies to you. Yeah, that's the price you see when the gun originally comes to you, but now take it out of the box. OH?! A plastic trigger? This won't do, guess I'll drop $30 on a new one. Screw in the tank, the gun is about a mile away from you because of the stupid duckbill. Tack on $40-50 for ASA/rail. Put in your new lightning fast VL Quantam loader, it gets stuck and you can't get it out. Assuming you don't strip the crappy feedneck threads, +$30 more. Guess what? Your Base Ion just cost you $300, not $200. You'd probably want to upgrade more after that, but you're already at $300 as opposed to what, $180 for a VS2?

I'm not saying the Ion isn't better or anything, because upgraded I'm certain Ions would outperform a VS. But for $180 you can't beat a stock VS2, considering all the stock parts are at least decent enough to use put of the box.

[alnmike]

Lol... I just checked and my head's not on backwards or anything, so let's go into this a bit. Pretty much all stuff I already said 10000 times in various places but anyways...

An Ion doesn't cost you $200; SP lies to you. Yeah, that's the price you see when the gun originally comes to you, but now take it out of the box. OH?! A plastic trigger? This won't do, guess I'll drop $30 on a new one. Screw in the tank, the gun is about a mile away from you because of the stupid duckbill. Tack on $40-50 for ASA/rail. Put in your new lightning fast VL Quantam loader, it gets stuck and you can't get it out. Assuming you don't strip the crappy feedneck threads, +$30 more. Guess what? Your Base Ion just cost you $300, not $200. You'd probably want to upgrade more after that, but you're already at $300 as opposed to what, $180 for a VS2?

I'm not saying the Ion isn't better or anything, because upgraded I'm certain Ions would outperform a VS. But for $180 you can't beat a stock VS2, considering all the stock parts are at least decent enough to use put of the box.




Good post.

And as far as the moron Zaunji calling me an idiot, I have video proof that my vs3 stock can shootfaster than an Ion period, without dropping even more money on a better board. And I was talking 25bps when I get a tboard, entirely possible.


Anyway, Ion owners talk about upgradability? How long has the Ion been out? Its been like 1 year since the VS series has come out. There are already new bolts/strikers, you can get a ASA and use any reg you want, thats about as many upgrades as an Ion has. I havent seen any valves out, but who the hell would want to replace something thats nearly perfection itself?

And about up'd ions, if you put shocker parts in it, its not really an Ion anymore is it?

[xXBloodLustACXx]

The whole key to the VS2 is that the internals are good as is, you don't need to drop hundreds to go LP like you had to with older E-Spyders. Therefore less upgrades are probably available right now because the gun just doesn't need as much upgrading.

And A Spyder will technically shoot far faster than an Ion, because mechanically blowbacks can cycle at 40-50 cps whereas I think the Ion topped off at 31 or something like that. Boards are a completely different story, but that's just a matter of money so you can't compare speed on that.

[Vexa]

Good post.

And as far as the moron Zaunji calling me an idiot, I have video proof that my vs3 stock can shootfaster than an Ion period As far as capability, yes, it can, but can you walk your VS3 past 17 bps? Unlikely. , without dropping even more money on a better board. And I was talking 25bps when I get a tboard, entirely possible.


Anyway, Ion owners talk about upgradability? How long has the Ion been out? Its been like 1 year since the VS series has come out. There are already new bolts/strikers, you can get a ASA and use any reg you want, thats about as many upgrades as an Ion has. Are you kidding? You can upgrade an Ion to the point where its not even an Ion anymore, its just aftermarket parts. Off the top of my head, I know you can replace the breech, bolt, firing can, rear donut, reg, trigger, trigger frame, body, board/solenoid, QEV, eyes, and all the obvious stuff like feednecks, ASAs, etc. And its not just what you can upgrade, its how many choices you have for each component. I havent seen any valves out, but who the hell would want to replace something thats nearly perfection itself?

And about up'd ions, if you put shocker parts in it, its not really an Ion anymore is it? ...I hope you're joking, but in case you aren't...well...you cant put Shocker parts in an Ion.

[babustos]

I agree with Vexa, and won't contribute to this thread any longer.

[Vexa]

I agree with Vexa, and won't contribute to this thread any longer.
Neither will I. I'm getting tired of this subject.

[xXBloodLustACXx]

Yeah I mean I obviously push VS2 over Ion but everything Vexa said is true.

I guess we could settle it the same way every thread like this ends: it's all preference.

[METALLICAT]

Vexa, he has actual documentation on this Site showing he can get 19 BPS.
All YOU have to do is look for it.

As with the Shocker comment, you said it in the previous paragraph. You can upgrade an Ion to the point where it isnt an Ion anymore. So, why would you want to spend that much money, when you can just go out and buy its Equilvelent stock? Spose thats what he was getting at in the first place.

[alnmike]

I thought a shocker was made by dye, so I used it as an example. If you can mod a spyder into a timmy, then im sure someone can do it to an ion/shocker. Anyway, thanks for reading my posts, in which I said I can shoot faster than a stock Ion can EVER HOPE TO ACHIEVE, and thats walking, not ramping as I dont have a tboard yet.


So it boils down to Stock VS2>Stock Ion. If you spend another $300 on your Ion, then its not longer in the $200 range is it? And if you replace almost everything besides the body, its no longer an Ion is it? (In regards to stock)


And if your truly done with this topic then I can stop coming here to defend my posts of common sense.


Edit: nd by dye I meant smart parts of course :P. Yay for 2:30 AM trolling.

[babustos]

:rolleyes: One last thing. Get a $20 feedneck and $30 trigger for the Ion, now its competitive.

[jessecain1]

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[jessecain1]

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[GrimAssasin]

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[jessecain1]

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[Algernon]

all i can say is don't count the VS out or hop on the anti-ion bandwagon. ions are impressive little markers. i'm no fanyboy, i've owned markers ranging from BE talons, desertfoxes to angels.

this is my 100% unbiased opinion on the ion:


great marker, with a brilliant design. it's very cheap and has the basic attributes of a high end marker. if you want high-end feel you can't go wrong with an ion. the problem with the ion is that the trim sucks. the stock trigger and duckbill aren't usable. SP could have at least put forth the effort to make a walkable plastic trigger and a rail type ASA stock trim. realistically, expect to spend $270 on the marker + a trigger and ASA before you take it to the field. still, that's an excellent deal.

i can't comment on the VS markers. i haven't shot one yet. but they appear to be good markers. performance is the player and the marker is just a tool. the feel, in otherwords the the size and shape of the marker is what will determine which one you want. if you can hold and shoot both markers.

[iliveforthis99]

You must remember that when the ion came out it was $300. SP wanted to put out an affordable "high-end" gun out and not a new shocker. Now that the ion is down to $200 it makes a little more sense not having that stuff on it since it gives you the option to pick the parts you want to get. Instead of paying more for the gun for a part you might not really like and end up paying more getting it replaced.

[Zaunji]

And as far as the moron Zaunji calling me an idiot, I have video proof that my vs3 stock can shootfaster than an Ion period, without dropping even more money on a better board. And I was talking 25bps when I get a tboard, entirely possible.

Can you read? I didn't say that the Ion board is faster then the VS's. I said that it doesn't matter which ever one is faster because YOU ARE PULLING THE TRIGGER. It depends on how fast you can walk the trigger, not what your board is capped at. Maybe I can make this easier to understand for you...
You = walking the trigger
your hands/fingers = can't pull 25bps

Speed shouldn't even be looked at when buying a marker. As long as its 15bps, thats good, thats all you need. Honestly, I hate people who are obsesed with speed... ever looked at the good points of a marker?

I thought a shocker was made by dye
:rolleyes:

[xXBloodLustACXx]

I thought a shocker was made by dye, so I used it as an example. If you can mod a spyder into a timmy, then im sure someone can do it to an ion/shocker.

Unfortunately it's not as easy as that, the Spimmy only works because it has a pretty-much identical body design since both are stack-tubed. I guess that anything's possible with money and time as far as modding go, but I've never even seen someone attempt that project.

Haven't wee seen enough on this topic though? Every point has been adressed 5 billion times over, argued, chewed up and spit back out. If you can't get enough, just wait for the next of these threads to pop up in about 5 minutes and take it from there :P

[joethecop7]

dont get the ion the worst gun in the world. Its plastic if u drop it once u need a new body kit for 50+. Vs2 shoots faster and has a infinti trigger which can shoot over 25bps. The ion trigger has a magnet which screws u up when ur shooting. Trust me if u buy vs2 u just need to buy new barrel but if u buy ion u need a new feedneck--$50/ A new trigger--50+/A new barrel--50 to 150. Now with the new spyder virtue board trust me now u can upgrade the vs2 just as much. Vs2 and vs3 has new body kits u can get. Also too many people have ions. Go with vs2

[iliveforthis99]

You really don't know anything about ions do you? And please, don't bring up old threads.

[Milky Spore]

dont get the ion the worst gun in the world. Its plastic if u drop it once u need a new body kit for 50+. Vs2 shoots faster and has a infinti trigger which can shoot over 25bps. The ion trigger has a magnet which screws u up when ur shooting. Trust me if u buy vs2 u just need to buy new barrel but if u buy ion u need a new feedneck--$50/ A new trigger--50+/A new barrel--50 to 150. Now with the new spyder virtue board trust me now u can upgrade the vs2 just as much. Vs2 and vs3 has new body kits u can get. Also too many people have ions. Go with vs2

Oh my god, I'm a supporter of the VS2, and I dis-like the Ion and will always recommend the VS2 over the Ion, but there are so many things wrong with this paragraph.

You don't need to get a new body kit if you drop it, they build them tougher than that, and you shouldn't drop your marker anyways, ya' dolt. I'd be more worried about the tank going off if I dropped it anyways. Also, the entire body kit for the marker is $40, and I'm sure you could find the shell piece for $20 or less, and only the outer shell is plastic, and the trigger.

The VS2 is capped at 25 BPS, meaning you can't shoot faster than 25 BPS, and it's highly unlikely you'll reach that anyways.

The magnet doesn't screw up your shooting, the magnet is preference.

A feedneck isn't $50, neither is a trigger, or barrels, and you forgot you need a ASA. Either way, you can play without these parts, they only enchance your experience greatly.

Before you go and flame a marker, please try and know something about it first.

[eyedea40]

I'm really starting to hate VS owners now. They're getting so cocky, like the first Ion owners...

Anyway.
The thing that the Ion has, that the VS2 doesn't is upgradablity. When You get a Vs2 its pretty much just stuck there, you can only get like a board and a barrel. Though with an Ion you can take it further (a lot further). You can get an asortment of different upgrades to keep making it better. You don't even need to put 100s of dollers in either. Just get a new feedneck, trigger, QEV and its already a lot better. Then you can get an ASA, bolt, detents, board, barrel, reg, and a bodykit(not really necessary, but you can get one).

If anyone ever makes another VS vs Ion thread then I'm going to go to their house and stab their children.

I my self prefer the VS2 I am a fan of the easy maintenance and I don’t need to take apart the whole gun to fix a problem. If your ion craps out at the field your day is over.

1. You don't need to upgrade the bolt on the VS2
2. You can up grade the reg
3. They do sell boards that fit the VS2
4. The feed neck on the VS2 is good
5. The trigger on the VS2 is good

They are both good markers its purely preference, Blow Back Vs Pneumatics

[shanosalami]

VS2 or VS3

[j0shyp00408]

Ion!!!!

:p

[Head Hunter 221]

I my self prefer the VS2 I am a fan of the easy maintenance and I don’t need to take apart the whole gun to fix a problem. If your ion craps out at the field your day is over. If you know what you need to do, the Ion is not that hard to fix, and unless you don't take care of it, it won't break.

1. You don't need to upgrade the bolt on the VS2 You don't need to the Ion either
2. You can up grade the reg You can on the Ion
3. They do sell boards that fit the VS2 Same with the Ion
4. The feed neck on the VS2 is good You can find one for an Ion used for cheap
5. The trigger on the VS2 is good I personally like the Ions stock trigger, alot
They are both good markers its purely preference, Blow Back Vs Pneumatics

Like many have argued before, this is probably crap you have all heard before, but I just wanna get my opinion in. If you CAN NOT upgrade a marker, get a VS2, IMO The Ion needs an On/Off ASA and a Feedneck more than a trigger, if you can find a used ASA in a part out or something, you can get it for about 15 bucks, same with a feedneck. Or just buy a used Ion (like mine :dodgy: ). If you CAN upgrade, buy an Ion, and LEARN, don't be a noob that gets his marker broken because you do not take care of it properly, just take care of basic maintenence, and once you do it 1 or 2 times its not even that bad.

To sum it up, if you need a stock gun that will perform good, get a VS2. One that will perform better when upgraded a little? Ion. Or if you want to get a good used gun that has some upgrades already, Ion.

[bobalis]

I'd get the Ion over the VS2 just because of its operation. Blow-backs have more recoil and to me don't perform as well as higher-end guns (even though the Ion barely fits into this catagory).

[mugenXP]

i'd pick an ion... an ion is just a stripped down high end gun, the vs2 is just a fully upgraded blowback.

[GoWH3fan]

Dude if you really want to know the differance y not shoot them because all you will get from here is opion based. As far as my own opion i will never buy anything from sp.

[AznbMx3r716]

i have a vritued vs2, and im thinking that if you want a good gun for not much money, get a vs2 with a board (doesnt have to be virtue). I have shot an ion a couple times before, and it just doesnt feel like your shooting a gun... the response time was really slow... im blaming that on the dwell kinda... but imho i think its vs2 ftw. i am a big fan of the stock vs2 trigger, no need for a 2 finger trigger like the ion. and yes, ions have a plastic body, but that doesnt mean its all plastic cuz of a crappy body. just cuz the vs2 is a blow back and the ion is ep doesnt mean it should be treated as 2 different worlds.

[AznbMx3r716]

and yes, as you can see, my signature is making fun of an ion hahahah

[iliveforthis99]

They are kind of in different worlds. While a vs2 is great stock and is better then a stock ion the ion be taken way further then the vs2. With the vs2 you're pretty much stuck w/ what you get really it'll never compete w/ an ion that has a few upps on it and it's no comparison w/ high-ends. I'm not hating on the vs2 i really like it but frankly imo the vs2 and ion are still in different worlds. Oh and btw they both have two finger triggers but i think i know what you mean.

[Milky Spore]

They are kind of in different worlds. While a vs2 is great stock and is better then a stock ion the ion be taken way further then the vs2. With the vs2 you're pretty much stuck w/ what you get really it'll never compete w/ an ion that has a few upps on it and it's no comparison w/ high-ends. I'm not hating on the vs2 i really like it but frankly imo the vs2 and ion are still in different worlds. Oh and btw they both have two finger triggers but i think i know what you mean.

QFT. I mean when you upgrade the trigger, ASA, feedneck, barrel, add a bolt and a QEV and the VS2 wouldn't be able to be that good. A VS2 is better than a stock Ion though. So if you want a fair performing gun that doesn't really need upgrades, get the VS2. If you want a fair performing gun that will become way better, but needs upgrades get the Ion.

[cclaxattack30]

I posted months ago that my friend got the vs2. Honestly, this thread should have died into the dark dead pits of PBR.

[Milky Spore]

Haha, I guess some people just need to be right. Oh, wait...

[openingact]

i'd pick an ion... an ion is just a stripped down high end gun, the vs2 is just a fully upgraded blowback.

Great point!

It comes down to preference. This thread is filled with mostly opinions which everyone has. In the long run I think you may be happier with the ion because of the available upgrades which exceeds the VS2 because of the it's popularity and it's been on the market longer.

[cclaxattack30]

I posted months ago that my friend got the vs2. Honestly, this thread should have died into the dark dead pits of PBR

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[Str8_Ballin]

Go pick up a VS 2, then pick up an ION. Decide what is more comfortable, the ion is cheaper stock but will cost more once you upgrade the feedneck, asa, and possibly trigger.

I was set on a vs2, then I picked it up, it felt unrefined and cheap to me. I grabbed the ion and I knew which one I was getting.

[cclaxattack30]

seriously. READ THE POSTS. He got a vs2 months ago. STOP REVIVNG THIS!!