Angel or Autococker?

[cockerkid8]

Whitch one in your own opinion do you like better?

[SH4YD33]

i have a angel and a autococker. i love both. but for tournements when i play back i use the cocker and when im playing front i use the angel. just my opinion.

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[Warped Shadow]

Well in my opinion, i would go with the cocker. The perfect all around marker. I wouldnt give up accuracy and distance for a few more balls per second, but that is just my opinion it is purely preferences by people. I do have to say though, the momba angel is very nice.

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Warped Shadow

[wolverine]

Originally posted by Warped Shadow
Well in my opinion, i would go with the cocker. The perfect all around marker. I wouldnt give up accuracy and distance for a few more balls per second, but that is just my opinion it is purely preferences by people. I do have to say though, the momba angel is very nice.

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Warped Shadow

Great another believe in the "cocker distance and accuracy elves".

Dude, 2 guns shooting at the same velocity with the correct paint to barrel match with have the same accuracy/distance.

[VeNoM]

the angel is definatley faster and feels great in your/my hands. both are awesome guns. one is mechanical one is electro. there are pros and cons. cockers are all mechanical so if you know your gun and something goes wrong, you can fix it on the field. if you are on the field and a board or wire fries, you are pretty much screwed. (unless you have extra parts and there is, or you are, an angel tech). the angel is with out a doubt faster, but i do feel that cockers have a little better trajectory. but that also has alot to do with the set up. an angel and cocker set up similar with all the same parts, components, paint and barrel they will be extremely close to the point that you would not notice a difference at all.

[Warped Shadow]

FOr one thing im not an elf. for another thing i have heard the whole newtons law get up. i think cockers are more accurate cause they dont shoot as fast plus im not into the whole electro marker thing. and for distance i think that the cockers get longer distance. now i know that some would say, "oh thats bs", but im serious, my friends dark angel doesnt get the distance that my dark cocker gets, note: (they were at the same velocity).

JUst A thouGHT
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Warped :eyes: Shadow

[green_kat]

that may be because of bore to paint match.
also an angel doesn't have to fire that fast, thus according to you it would be as accurate.
also it is nice to be able to rip on some poor sap hunkering down behind his bunkr.

[Warped Shadow]

your absolutely right, when used right the angel will be just as accurate. i still believe that a cocker has longer distance though. anywayz bunkering poor saps is fun yes, but i usually stay in my level of play.

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Warped Shadow

P.S. Im not an elf!!!!!

[c0ck3r_b0i]

the qestion isnt just angel or cocker, its speed or accuracy?

[Warped Shadow]

Kat, can i say that im no more a elf than that guy, oh yeah and your twisted fact is pretty sick chubs.


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Warped Shadow

[green_kat]

i never said you were an elf, he did.

[SEPHIROTH_086]

I'd go with a cocker with a Racegun trigger

[wuffles]

Yes it has been proven already that an open bolt system is just as accurate as a closed bolt system, and to hell with what anyone else says.

"Accuracy by Volume!!!!!" :pissed:

[NoVeLTeK]

cocker

[CHRIS]

Ok here is the deal. Both guns are great.I have a cocker and i also want an angel.But i dont want to sell my baby.

1st ,,Cockers need to be timed,Lots of what the heck and all.But very very fun to own and upgrade.

2nd,,Angels very good gun for the person who just wants to play and put the gun away after playing.Dependable and really fun to shot.

You will need to learn how to fix and trouble shot the cocker or it wont be a fun gun to own at all.I dont care what people say about (well as long as you do it right it cant go wrong) .It will go wrong.

Just ask yourself what do you plan on doing. Both guns are the same in what is better. If you are new then i would if i were you get an angel....People help the dude and dont fight about what is better.Give the dude both sides and let him buy it..

[cockerkid8]

Hey Chris thanks for your support. Also could u guys post a pic of your gun/guns up here? heres a pic of mine

[PaintballerX]

That's what the pic thread is for, bud. :rolleyes:

[Silent Knight]

These are 2 totally different markers, it all depends on what you want out of your marker.

[ScottyPBmasta]

Gotta agree with silent on this one...and why is it such a big deal? We should band together ! Cocker and Angel owners alike group together to form an alliance aganst ......stuff!

[thepainter]

Their both great guns, its just your style that really helps u choose the right one.

[OwnBoi]

It matters if your going to play Front or Back, Front = Angel, Back = Autococker. If your just going to do RecBall then get an Autococker, if your going to play more tourney ball then it goes down to front or back.

OwnBoi :eyes:

[PaintballerX]

Actually, it'd be more like front=Autococker, back=Angel, but that matters about as much as J-Lo's last outfit at the Grammys. It really boils down to what feels comfortable to you...I use an Angel, Matrix, two 'Cockers, and a 'Mag, and I play front...so you see, it has no effect.

[wuffles]

I would think that playing back, you would need more of the accuracy/distance of an autococker, and upfront you would need the speed of the angel... just my opinion.

[VeNoM]

but speed can be just as useful (if not more useful) in the back as well . . .

[kr8er]

more like back needs the speed of an angel to throw more paint and front needs cocker because its the other variable in what im talkin about

[SPEED]

On my team we have a mixture of all types of guns from vertical feed cockers with hinge, Black Magic with hinge, Bushy's, Timmy's, Angels, Matrixes...it just depends on what you're comfortable with. I play front/snake. The Bushy feels too tall for me. The Timmy is too long, I just can't snapshoot with it as effectively. The Matrix just doesn't feel right to me, can't pinpoint it. Angels and Cockers are for me...only reason I'm getting an angel now is to have the choice, because when my cocker goes down or acts up I can count on the Angel. I like the angel up front for speed and snapshooting, but to really take out my cross far away I just can't beat my cocker...and yes I do have proper paint to barrel match (freak on both). So...I'd like the accuracy of my cocker and the speed of the Angel...and no, the hinge doesn't cut it...but it's better than the old triggerframes, that's for sure. I made the mistake of going cheap at first. If I had to do it all over again, I'd go STO or BM right off the bat. As for the Angel, it's a 2k1 dark that used to belong to SK from Dynasty...sweet...it's low maintenance and the revvy kit is really what sold me on the Angel...no more btteries for my revvy to worry about.

[Mr Angel]

:pissed: I WOULD GO WITH ANGEL

Volume over accuracy :confused:

:eyes: If you were to go with a cocker I would get a dye

:sleep: Another thing is If you don't want to manage your gun *** munch I would get an angel:sleep:

DYE AUTOCOCKER: www.paintballgear.com
(&( Fly or whatever kind of angel you need LCD ANGEL: www.paintballgear.com

Oh yeah if you want an agel to be *** acurate as a (o(ker then get a freak system.

plus angel are really cool looking SO GET ONE

[ScottyPBmasta]

I love my cocker to death but it is constantly breaking down! I get so pissed when i have to sit out for about 3 hours fixing my gun....but when it works it is just the best gun i have ever shot....so to aviod my problem of always having to fix my cocker if it breaks down during a day of play...im buying an angel. Now the angel would be for upfront play such as the snake. The reason i say this is simple...when im in that kind of position i dont wanna have to worry about pressing the pneumatics into the ground and short stroking it...just wanna point and shoot. FOR back play/middle i would use the cocker. It has .....(i know im gonna get chewed out for this but i have my reasons)....better accuracy and i can take my time only having to pump put 9-10 bps. THE LAST REASON I do this is so i dont have to chose on these stupid threads about WHICH GUN IS BETTER! Im kinda in the same boat as speed.

[Punchcard]

Here is my whole take on the Angel vs. Cocker debate.

IMHO, both are AWESOME markers. I have taken a stock '98 'cocker and slowly upgraded it to the point of pretty much custom 'cocker out there. I have had great fun thinking "what am I going to add to this bad boy next?".

I know it inside and out. I know to tap my 3(4)- way such to shut it up, to tighten my cocking rod in the middle of a game if it starts misbehaving. I know how to tear it apart and put it back to gether (which is something you have to do ocassionaly, especialy every time you make a significant upgrade aka hinge, pumping system etc.) It is truly MY gun. No one else has the same connection to it, and I don't think anyone would without playing with it for a loooong time.

I have shot Angels. I looooooveeeee angels. For the longest time, it made more financial sense to buy the $350 marker and turn it into a performance machine (poor college student), and it was GREAT fun. I also play a lot of paintball. There is nothing I like more. I dump a significant ammount of my disposable (and not so disposable sometimes) income into paintball. I love gear, I love toys.

I'm about maxed out on my cocker. Ready for my next toy. Angels are rocks. You don't have to worry about short stroking the trigger, about your cocking pressure being too high, about your cocking rod working loose or your 3(4)-way leaking. You also can't really do the same kind of performance upgrades to an Angel. The custom angels/aftermarket upgrades are pretty much for cosmetic resons only. As for accuracy/range gack, I think that an anyone who takes time and aims with a high end paintgun, is a stable shooting platform, has a good barrel with a good paint match, they perform much the same.

Am I going to sell my cocker to purchase my angel? HECK NO. That is my baby, maybe it cries a little sometimes, but I still love it. And it is a heck of a marker. Not nessecarily better than the Angel, but it is different.

So ask yourself, what kind of experience are you looking for in a paintgun? You would be hard pressed to go wrong either way.

Punchcard

[Rockin2249]

Is it just me, or is Warped Shadow the only literate person that is on this whole post? And for all you idiots that think its me, I have pity for thee becuase you clearly dont know up. OK AND WUFFLES, HERES MY WRATH ON YOU. :pissed: time for you to put away Daddies German phrase book and learn real german..."Essen Sie Meine Farbe" directly translates to: Eat Mr./Mrs. my clothes..tell me does that make any sense? Is "eat mr/mrs my clothes" an inside joke translated in poor german? Or...what? How is that funny. What really gets me about it is that you (most likely being some 9 year old kid) sitting behind a computer thinking "ooooooooo ahha, people dont know what that means and I think I'm all cool for talking in German! Muffles, du bist ein Bahnhof mein herr. oh wait you wouldnt know what that means. :badboy: now the cocker/angel issue. Cockers (if you know how to shoot them) can get well over 12 bps, and you dont even need to go over 10 in a real game. Yes, over that is fun to mess with but not needed in a game. Cockers do have more range, and are very solid guns, also angels are way over priced. Go with a cocker...:D P.S I cant argue with the new DARK IR3's, those are just sweet. But way over-priced at $2k. My point proved.<<period

[Replicator11]

This is what i have heard, If you dont want to deal with upgrades,modifications,tuning,and the mechanical do-hick-i-bobers on a cocker then go with the Angel but Flip-side if you dont want to deal with electronics and all then get a cocker. Then the other matter of this Delema is that a cocker does need to upgraded and/or tuned to be close to angel in overall performance b/c(and everyone better agree) Angels are TRICK out of the box i mean probly the best upgrades you can buy is a freak, a nice Nitro Tank, and a new bolt but what would be the point of anything else?? So if you're like me and you dont feel like order parts every week to upgrade a cocker go with the Angel cause even though the Angel is 1000+ right away if you upgrade a cocker enuff to be overall as good as an Angel you will spend well over 1,250 but its where you are how much money and as many people said Front=Angel, Back=Cocker,Low Maintence and Uprade=Angel, High maintence and Upgrade= Cocker.

l8r

[Rockin2249]

Duh, are you stupid? :rolleyes: yeah, you can get a stock cocker and uprade it but it, and there is ALSO a thing called...uhhhhh just getting a dye, dark, or evolution cocker that doent need to be tricked.:devil: With cockers you have more options that way, trick yourslef or by tricked. Dye and Dark = around $1k. Way better than any angel period. Bam.:D :badboy: