Trigger On R3

[sniperx52]

Yeah. Im lookin for a trigger to fit on my Rex Type R3 Marker. It looks EXACTLY like the Odyessy O3x marker so i thought this would be a good place to start askin about it.

[babustos]

http://www.pbreview.com/products/reviews/1633/

Its the only one I'm aware of, and its much better than the stock. Allowed me to shoot about 3-5 bps faster.

[sniperx52]

you have an R3 too or the odyessy version?

[babustos]

My friend used to have one and he had the Zenitram trigger on it. No offense, but its probably the most unreliable gun I have ever used, and one of the most inefficient.

[sniperx52]

The Air System is the only thing wrong with it. Air effecincy isnt that bad though.

[DarkeWolf]

zenitram no longer makes dragun parts :( which is what the dragun tooth trigger was.
as far as I know, nobody is still around that makes aftermarket triggers specifically for these guns. Tho, you CAN use a wrath trigger as a drop-in upgrade. Fireball mountain used to make some nice ones...but no longer have them listed on their site :(

You may end up having to modify an existing trigger to get it to work. A spyder trigger is the easiest one to work with, since all you need to do is cut down some of the tang until it will move freely inside the body.
http://img230.imageshack.us/img230/2843/sd1a4ga.jpg

Or you can do like I did and try to find one completely off the wall to mod out to fit.
http://img144.imageshack.us/img144/7954/dmtriggerf619km.jpg http://img153.imageshack.us/img153/9803/dmtriggerf61a8nm.jpg
http://img252.imageshack.us/img252/8899/10103340mo.jpg

Efficiency- well....the fasor design was never one of the "best" designs as far as air efficiency. My T-1 will get about a bag and a half out of my 68/3k crossfires at 250 psi. My TES on the other hand would get almost 2 1/2 bags of shots, with the same tank, at the same pressure.
Add onto that, that the 03 doesnt have an adjustable dwell setting, and that affects it's air consumption even more.
Its a simple (tho not cheap) matter to fix for the dwell. drop in an aftermarket board like a scenariodreams t-board (link in sig) or an aftermarket wrath board that has a dwell setting. You'd lose your electronic trigger settings, but gain in other areas too.

[sniperx52]

http://templates.earthstores.com/template1/search.asp?compid=zenitrammfg&dynamic=0&keywords=trigger


Found their site....Doesnt look like that they are there....

[DarkeWolf]

yeah, unfortunately.
your best bet is to either try to mod one out to fit, or find somebody that will make you one outta delrin or something like that.

[wulf1010]

Ive got some ploly something or other. that ive been making triggers and eye covers and othe stuff out of. If you hit your local hard ware store you can probobly pick up a plate for only a few dollars.

Ive actualy got some triggers laying around that were made out of plexi, i dont think its realy a strong enough material for trigger tho. I dont know how Darkes or the other guys i gave triggers to held up. Mine has never been used lol.

[DarkeWolf]

Well, Loup's broke. :( His brother, who had been used to only using a mech, put too much muscle on it. Broke it...AND the trigger switch! :eek:
And......hate to say it, but Mine hasnt been used either :( Its packed away in a box somewhere right now :(

[wulf1010]

^ lol, thats the first time i ever heard of somebody breaking the trigger switch HAHAHAHA.

I just dug mine out, i think ill put it on this TES i just picked up.

sniper, if you can come up with a design youd like made. Post it here and ill try turn one out for you from the same stuff ive been making my trigger from lately.

[sniperx52]

thanks but my guns in the shop right now. broke solonoid. my gun is idenical to the 03x. anyway, is the 03x high pressure or low pressure?

[wulf1010]

It can run on an either, i prefer to use a hp tank tho.

[DarkeWolf]

hahaha yeah, the spring inside the switch snapped.

the 03x is technically a low pressure gun. running anywhere from 250-450 psi. If you are talking about the operating pressure of the gun. However, if you're talking about the tank, you'd wanna go with a high pressure tank, to avoid any kind of shootdown or starvation problems.

[sniperx52]

Ok. Im really confused. So, I have a steel Pure Energy tank. 48/3k. Thats a high pressure right? I put it in and the gun had some problems. The velocity wasreally low. Couldnt get it higher than like 190 fps. It leaked whenever we tried to get it higher. Got a cp reg, didnt help much. Still leaked. I sent it back. I think i pretty much broke the solonoid while screwing around with the velocity.

Sent it back. Still waiting. What did I do wrong??? High pressure tank to a low pressure gun?

[wulf1010]

probobly not a tank issue, i only use 68/45s with HP regs on all my guns. The only ones ive had issues with are the newer Angels.

A few things to check; was your battery fully charged, was your lpr set high enough, check your hoses for kinks, also check for Teflon tape stuck in barbs, hoses, and possibly your solenoid (i just cleaned a bunch of my NMEs solenoid).

A couple of more major problems you should check. Any mechanical reason for it not working right i.e. drag on the bolt, or ram or a messed up valve. Possibly a bad solenoid or board wiring, etc.

My usual technique when i get a gun thats malfunctioning is to take it all the way apart, clean it with water and soap (not the electronics mind) and let it dry. Then re-lubing everything, and changing all the orings i have replacements for. After you get it all cleaned and lubed, reset it to factory stock condition.
If that dosent fix it you know its not some little problem, and are gonna have to dig deeper.

[DarkeWolf]

Ok, to clear up some of the confusion. Using a low pressure tank with a high pressure regulator, can sometimes lead to shootdown on the gun. The reason for this is because a LP tank has a max output of usually 450 psi. If you start shooting fast, that tank is still only putting out a max of 450 psi to the gun. so it may not recharge the reg fast enough if the reg is set for around 450 psi or more.
A HP tank on the other hand has an output of 850 psi. almost twice as much as a low pressure tank. So say that your reg on the gun is set to pop 375 psi. that leaves some air left in the reg that isnt let out when the gun shoots. that means less time that it has to recharge the amount of air inside of it.
Thats why we use HPa in most markers instead of LPa. to avoid air starvation and shootdown.

And the regulator on the gun will drop the inbound pressure down to whatever pressure we set the reg at. that way, not too much air pressure goes shooting into the gun.

Ok, BIG question here. You sent it back. You sent it back to WHERE???
Not to Dragun, I hope!!! Dragun is out of business!

[wulf1010]

Id guess he sent it to REX, tho when i tryed to get some parts from them they ignored me lol

[sniperx52]

I bought it from a store in Cali, PLayers edge. They said they could fix it. Called um up yesterday they said that the reason it was leaking is because i have TWO regs on it. a cp and the stock asa reg. Thats crap! I went to my local store the first time the guy said it don't have a reg so I bought the cp for it. apperantly the pressure for the stock AND the Cp were to high and it woulnd'nt shoot and it leaked. 70 bucks wasted for a damn cp.........

they fixed it though....but they didn't crono it:(

[DarkeWolf]

It looks as though your salesperson didnt recognize the fact that (most of) the odyssey guns come with a female reg on them. That kinda sucks.
And if the clerk didnt know this fact that it was indeed a female regulator on there, they probably didnt know that fact (about the reset) either.

However, it's NOT money wasted. the odyssey femme reg is a piece of junk IMO. Its fairly decent for consistancy and recharge, but its a royal pain in the rump. It maintains its settings via air pressure against it. and when you release that pressure (IE- degass the marker) it LOSES that Setting! So you have to RESET the darn thing every time you air it up!

The CP reg is BY FAR a MUCH better reg than the stock reg. If they didnt already do so at the shop, my recommendation would be to just leave the stock reg set for wide open, and allow the CP reg to do all the work. Since it is Much more consistant, and has an impressive recharge rate.
Or, just go out and get a regular drop and asa for your marker.

That kinda sucks that they didnt chrono it. Did they have a chrono there at the shop? or would they have charged you extra to do that?

Anyway, I'm glad to hear that you got it fixed. And I am REALLY glad to hear that you didnt send it off to the manufacturers. That would have probably ended up with you losing your gun :(

[sniperx52]

So just un screw the OPR all the way? Or what? You mean the ASA style reg right?

[DarkeWolf]

Opr I havent ever heard of. But yeah, the asa reg is what I'm talking about.
I rethought it though, and using a dual regulated system can sometimes cause shootdown.
so yeah, go with the female reg wide-open, until you can afford to get a regular drop and asa. either that, or see if there's any way that you can take the guts outta the odyssey reg.

[sniperx52]

So should I replace the ASA style Reg? dove tail or drop?

[DarkeWolf]

entirely up to you. Personally myself, I like to have a mini drop on mine. But its all preference as far as how high you want the marker to sit, how far under the gun you want the tank, stuff like that. If the way it sits right now is comfortable for you, keep it. If you'd like to move the tank around some, or want a better looking drop/asa, go for getting a new one ;)

[sniperx52]

You know, I could get the FBM Trig for the wrath. If you could tell me what/how you modded your trigger, I could do the same. It looks simple....

[DarkeWolf]

IF you can find a fbm wrath trigger, it should be plug and play. the wrath uses the same trigger as it's predecessors, the 02/03e/x which uses the same triggers as the TES/Toridx, which uses the same triggers as the dragunfly, the dragunfire, the black dragun..... well....you get the picture ;)
Anyway, the r-3 is the same as some of the guns that I mentioned afore, just under a different name, by a different company.

[sniperx52]

Nice, I found one on ebay. Its a curved though. Id rather have a straight...lol

[DarkeWolf]

I have tried one of the sickle triggers. (actually....I made mine). Some people really like them. Myself....yeah....I prefer a blade style.
But yeah, let me know how it goes, when you get it, and what you think of fbm's work ;)

[sniperx52]

2 more questions.
First:How do I unscrew everything to get to the trigger?
Second:How Easily does the solnoid break?

[wulf1010]

the trigger is held in by a single pin located right above it on the grip frame. Locate the star * shaped end its usualy on the right i think. Then tap the OPPOSITE side carefully with a punch, small screw driver, or other implement. It will come out, and shouldnt require TOO much force.

The solenoid isn't a fragile item, really the only ways to brake one is to over pressurize it, crush it, or just plain ware it out. You DO need to check the wires and connection to make sure they are not pinched or cut, on a pretty regular basis. Being careful when putting the thing back together helps with not damaging anything.

[sniperx52]

How do I put the trigger back in after that?

[wulf1010]

its the reverse of taking it out....slide it back into the frame, line up the holes, push the trigger pin (the one you took out) back in smooth side first till it stops, then lightly hammer it home, DONE. Now adjust to your harts content.

[sniperx52]

Thanks. I fixed the dual reg problem, no leaks, 260 fps! Everything is running smooth. Just waiting till tommorow to get my trigger.

I put a CP ASA on it. Don't have much cash:( I also got the Progressive barrel 14", ACP Delrin bolt. The CP reg is on there too. The only thing im missing is the trigger.

[DarkeWolf]

actually...the star'd side of the trigger pin is on the left side, not the right side, loon ;)
Its the same side as the lcd screen is on. when you're hammering it out, you'll wanna hammer on the side of it that is smooth. to hammer it in, hit the side that is star'd.

basically, after you've got the pin out, just reach in thru the top of the frame, and pull the trigger straight up and out. same with putting it in, just lower it in straight down into it. then when you've got it level where you can put the pin in, and push it in to where it will hold the trigger in place.
I wouldnt hammer it in just yet, until you check to see if it's got any side to side slop. If it does, that you can fix with a trip to the hardware store.

just pick up some nylon (plastic) washers. put one on either side of the trigger, where the pin goes in. add one to both sides as needed, until you've got no slop, or the amount that you're happy with.
then hammer the pin all the way in.

glad to hear that you got the regs working right! thats awesome!

[sniperx52]

Hehe. I got the trigger today and they sent me an FBM ANGEL triger. Apparently they didn't have anywrath trigs left.

Could you guys mod me one? id be willing to pay like $25....but not now.....pm me and well talk about it

[wulf1010]

If Darke isnt into doing it will.

[sniperx52]

ok so i modded it.......it works find but the bounce goes so much that I wanted to put a spring on it. THat didn't work:( so im stuck with a modded angel trigger. you guys want me to post a pic?

[wulf1010]

yeah, we might be able to give you some help with it.