Sight with a Flatline?

[haha_urdead]

I purchased and installed a Flatline barrel for my Tippmann 98 custom, and i was wondering if i am able to instale a NcStar Paintball Red Dot Sight, or any sight for that matter?
My concern is that the Flatline seems to replace the existing track that i assume the sight would be instaled on.

[Romeo]

Here you go pal, get yourself this...a little too expensive if you ask me but this place is all custom made so you don't need to worry about anythin' like that.

http://undergroundmodshop.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=21&products_id=32

[haha_urdead]

Ya, that does seem a little pricy. 70 bucks for a scope. Does your comment imply that i can't put the red dot sight with a flatline barrel?

[MisterMister]

Why do you want a sight though? The flatline isnt exactly an "accurate" barrel, and this is on top of the fact that by their very nature paintball markers and the balls them selves are inaccurate. Add all that together, plus the fact that you are using a blow back, high pressure Tippmann, and you dont exactly have something that can take advantage of a sighting system/scope.

Your best bet would be to keep firing and then "walk" the paint in onto the target by sight, sort of like artillary rounds in WWII and Vietnam.

If I were you, I would use that money on something else like an HPA tank, PPS Stabilizer, e-grip, etc... or even a case of high end paint (which will help your accuracy a LOT more then any sight/scope, thats for sure!).

[Algernon]

Why do you want a sight though? The flatline isnt exactly an "accurate" barrel, and this is on top of the fact that by their very nature paintball markers and the balls them selves are inaccurate. Add all that together, plus the fact that you are using a blow back, high pressure Tippmann, and you dont exactly have something that can take advantage of a sighting system/scope.

Your best bet would be to keep firing and then "walk" the paint in onto the target by sight, sort of like artillary rounds in WWII and Vietnam.

If I were you, I would use that money on something else like an HPA tank, PPS Stabilizer, e-grip, etc... or even a case of high end paint (which will help your accuracy a LOT more then any sight/scope, thats for sure!).

i don't fully agree. i've had a shotgun scope on my m98 flatline for years. it works. the nautre of the flatline is that it alters the paintballs aerodynamics in flight. it greatly increases the range of your marker. so much so that you can aim and hit targets that are difficult to see with the naked eye. in some ways the flatline makes it more difficult to walk paint into a target than a standard barrel. your, or at least my, eyes can follow an object that "drops" with a predictable trajectory. the flat, or inverted trajectory of the flatline can play tricks on your eyes. the paitnballs seem to float and disapear into the scenery comprising the woodland background making it diffcult to see where your rounds are hitting. i can see my paint and walk them into a target at a distance better with a magnification sighting aid such as a scope.

i have a m98 and i have no experiance with A5 flatlines. i'm told they behave different. the flatline's accuracy is debatable. i can one-ball a 5 gallon bucket from 170ish feet away. any other barrel may have a tighter grouping on that same bucket from the same distance, but the pronounced trajectory of a standard barrel @ 300fps will prevent most players from scoring a hit on the first shot. that flatline is not so much "accurate" as it is "flat-shooting". it's ability to nearly remove trajectory from the equation at normal paint slinging distances is what makes it great. you can get your paint on target quicker and often times at a greater range than a player with a standard barrel would like to shoot back at you, forcing he/she to move on you giving you the advantage.

[MisterMister]

Okay, so you are basically telling me that the usefulness of a scope/Flatline combo is mainly due to the fact that the Flatline can shoot at targets so far down range that you can’t see them without the scope.

Correct?

Well, first of all, I never said the Flatline wasn’t capable of shooting further then a standard bore barrel, that’s never been in debate. I've owned a Flatline, I know this firsthand. Of course, I also know that at these ranges the Flatline is VERY inaccurate. Wind and gravity become a major factor as the ball slows down over distance. Combined with the fact that paintballs/markers are inaccurate to begin with, we get a result which is far from "accurate" at range.

At this point, any "first shot accuracy" afforded by said scope is null and void. Now I can see how the scope may help to FIND the target, but you can also do this with a simple field monocular (which can be MUCH cheaper then a scope). As a side note, even when shooting at it's maximum effective range, I never had a problem seeing my target without the aide of anything but my own eyes.

[Algernon]

Okay, so you are basically telling me that the usefulness of a scope/Flatline combo is mainly due to the fact that the Flatline can shoot at targets so far down range that you can’t see them without the scope.

Correct?

Well, first of all, I never said the Flatline wasn’t capable of shooting further then a standard bore barrel, that’s never been in debate. I've owned a Flatline, I know this firsthand. Of course, I also know that at these ranges the Flatline is VERY inaccurate. Wind and gravity become a major factor as the ball slows down over distance. Combined with the fact that paintballs/markers are inaccurate to begin with, we get a result which is far from "accurate" at range.

At this point, any "first shot accuracy" afforded by said scope is null and void. Now I can see how the scope may help to FIND the target, but you can also do this with a simple field monocular (which can be MUCH cheaper then a scope). As a side note, even when shooting at it's maximum effective range, I never had a problem seeing my target without the aide of anything but my own eyes.

to answer your question, no that is not my point. it not so much that the target is so far away that you cannot see it, so much as the target is hiding among the brush and is difficult to see. i'm looking through the scope for a black paintball mask or some other indication that there is a player out there that i would otherwise have a hard time spotting with my naked eyes. the target is not so far away that i cannot see him so much as he is far enough away that he lost in the background. the target is not far away, just far enough away that i have a hard time spotting him and far enough away that i would have to move on him to shoot with any degree of precision had i not had a scope.

a scope on a m98 flatline is neither null nor void. useful? yes. amazing? no. a cheap scope is useful in finding the target or just scouting the field, as that's what i use it for 90% of the time. when my target is static i'll shoot at him/her with the scope. my marker is not zero'd to the reticle of the scope, but i still can shoot my paint and hit my target. no the marker is not accurate at that range, but i still can hit crouching man-sized target within 10 shots. the advantage of m98 flatline and scope is that i can see them, they cannot, or have a very hard time trying to, see me and i can hit before they can hit me. they usually don't see where i am shooting from, but i see them and with the flatline i have the reach to hit them. no i can't do it accurately and the paint often times fails to break, still i'm nearly untouchable to them.

my point is that it can be done, i know, becasue i do it all the time. we can stay here and debate the accuracy and range topic all day but this really isn't a range or accuracy debate as you said yourself. the flatline with scope works do to the straightness of the shots and the magnification of the scope. a flatline increases your range, but hitting targets at a greater range is not the real advantage of a flatline. the flatline advantage is that at normal to sightly longer than normal ranges (this varies on the terrain and cover present) of a trypical paint exchange the flatline is without a pronounced trajectory. the paint goes where you point the marker. you do not have to angle or raise the marker up to walk your paint into your target. it shoots flat. it shoots flat and over brush. it shoots flat into your target. whether or not i use my eyes or a scope the paint still goes straight to my target.

there is really no argument as to whether i can hit something with a flatline looking through a scope. right? that's impossible to argue. the debate is how useful it is, am i right? you say "null" and "void" and i say "useful to a degree." basically i believe it is worth while with a cheap scope and a figure 8 mount so as to still be able to sight the marker conventionally yet have the ability to scout the field, spot targets and take shots.

[Romeo]

i'm looking through the scope for a black paintball mask or some other indication that there is a player out there that i would otherwise have a hard time spotting with my naked eyes. the target is not so far away that i cannot see him so much as he is far enough away that he lost in the background. the target is not far away, just far enough away that i have a hard time spotting him and far enough away that i would have to move on him to shoot with any degree of precision had i not had a scope.

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