Good beginer gun

[team_Fusion]

im new to the world of paintball, i was wondaring whats an good gun to start with. mY freinds say the kingman RSX and the VS3.
i know that the ocking triger is iileagal in most tournys. i dont no much about the RSX yet.
any sugggestions for an gun to get im looking to pay up to $500 for gun and gear

[iliveforthis99]

Do you have a place to get HPA (compressed air) fills or will you have to use CO2?

[team_Fusion]

Do you have a place to get HPA (compressed air) fills or will you have to use CO2?

i believe PBA (the fleid i play at) has HPA n Co2.
one question what the difference?

[iliveforthis99]

Compressed air is just like what it's called, it a purer air source then CO2 and is a lot more consistent and it won't damage you gun if the reg/s aren't setup right. CO2 is a part liquid part gas, it's very inconsistent and if the liquid would to get into your gun it can play hell w/ your guns consistency and even damage a higher-end gun. The only good thing w/ CO2 is that the tanks are cheaper, HPA tanks can range from $50-$200. Now w/ a $500 budget you can afford to get a nice tank if you want. Consider this setup maybe, Crossfire 68/45 HPA tank $160, Halo b w/ rip drive $95, V-Force Pro Vantage thermal mask $27, Invert SE 3+2 pod pack $30, 5 clear Dye lock lid pods $15, factor in a few bucks more for a squeegee or swab and that takes care gear leaving you about $170 for the gun. That could get you like an ion, vs2, or promaster and have enough to get an ASA and macro kit for the promaster. If could do a little more you can pick up a DP Fusion for $225 now and have one nice gun. If you want to scratch HPA and use CO2 then your best options would be the RS, Vibe, or SP1.

[team_Fusion]

Compressed air is just like what it's called, it a purer air source then CO2 and is a lot more consistent and it won't damage you gun if the reg/s aren't setup right. CO2 is a part liquid part gas, it's very inconsistent and if the liquid would to get into your gun it can play hell w/ your guns consistency and even damage a higher-end gun. The only good thing w/ CO2 is that the tanks are cheaper, HPA tanks can range from $50-$200. Now w/ a $500 budget you can afford to get a nice tank if you want. Consider this setup maybe, Crossfire 68/45 HPA tank $160, Halo b w/ rip drive $95, V-Force Pro Vantage thermal mask $27, Invert SE 3+2 pod pack $30, 5 clear Dye lock lid pods $15, factor in a few bucks more for a squeegee or swab and that takes care gear leaving you about $170 for the gun. That could get you like an ion, vs2, or promaster and have enough to get an ASA and macro kit for the promaster. If could do a little more you can pick up a DP Fusion for $225 now and have one nice gun. If you want to scratch HPA and use CO2 then your best options would be the RS, Vibe, or SP1.

tnxs what is better HPA or Co2, like ive been reading alot of stuff about the RsX n it sounds pretty good

[iliveforthis99]

HPA hands down. It's air instead of a gas/liquid like CO2 so it'll be a lot more consistent and it won't harm your gun like CO2 can. I'd kinda stay away from the RSX, it's really nothing more then a VS2 that has a Tadao board, inline reg, and a different trigger. It still can't use CO2 well unlike the RS can so you'll either have to still get HPA or get at least one Palmers reg for it. For the price there's simply better guns for less.

[team_Fusion]

HPA hands down. It's air instead of a gas/liquid like CO2 so it'll be a lot more consistent and it won't harm your gun like CO2 can. I'd kinda stay away from the RSX, it's really nothing more then a VS2 that has a Tadao board, inline reg, and a different trigger. It still can't use CO2 well unlike the RS can so you'll either have to still get HPA or get at least one Palmers reg for it. For the price there's simply better guns for less.

whats an good gun then?

[iliveforthis99]

For HPA: Fusion ($225), Rail ($250), SLG ($200).
For CO2, Vibe ($140), SP1 ($150), RS ($200).

[team_Fusion]

srry what companys are those from for HPA

screw my linit i spend more 4 better gun

[iliveforthis99]

First is made by Dangerous Power the other two by Proto. IMO the Fusion is the best of the 3 followed by the Rail then SLG.

[team_Fusion]

whats so special about the Fusion? jw

[iliveforthis99]

It's a great gun for a very low price now. When they first came out they were around $400 and were often compared to shooting like an Ego. And since it's based on the poppet design (it's actually a FASOR) it's more efficient then the Rail and other spool valves in it's price range and up.

[team_Fusion]

what about upgradeableity, like the spyders

[iliveforthis99]

For the Fusion or spyders? For the Fusion there's not much out there really except barrels (it's cocker threaded), any standard inline reg, ASA's, grips. They did have have a color kits for them as well that came w/ accents and a new trigger. Apart from that there's really nothing and in all truth it doesn't need really anything.

[team_Fusion]

so it an good gun by itself

[iliveforthis99]

Yes, in the way of performance ready to go out of the box i'd compare it to the Cyborgs. Borgs need nothing but an ASA on pre '07 models, other then that it's maybe a trigger and feedneck if you don't like the stock ones.

[team_Fusion]

So it Might Need an new triger

[team_Fusion]

http://www.premiumpaintballproducts.com/en/paintball/paintball-guns-markers/c377975791/p17036194.html is this an good deal

[iliveforthis99]

Best deals for Fusions i've seen are at this place, usmilitarygear.com (http://www.usmilitarygear.com/products.php?cat=371). The standard Fusions for $225 and the LE versions (they came w/ the accent kits, new trigger, and the RAP ASA which i think became standard on later Fusions) are $250. It might only need a new trigger if you don't like the stock one.

[team_Fusion]

tnxs do they ship to canada?

[iliveforthis99]

Oh you're Canadian, well that can throw a wrench in things. I've never had any dealings w/ that place so i'm not sure, try sending them an e-mail to see if they do. If they do then shipping will probably go up. Looking at the site you found them for $250 again i see they have it marked for $250 CAN as well and are based in Canada. Must have missed that the first time, i'd say they are now your best place if the site charges more for shipping.

[team_Fusion]

thanks

[team_Fusion]

anyideas for an good gun, i read nuthing but good about the RSX
my freind said check out an tippman or an RAP4

[iliveforthis99]

RSX is just a VS2 w/ a Tadao board, new trigger, and a inline reg instead of the bottom line reg of the VS2/3. Me personally i would never pay more then $200 on a blowback spyder, it's an ok gun but there's better guns for the price. Stay away from tippmanns, for what you pay for them you don't get much to make it worth paying extra for a mech blowback.

[team_Fusion]

whats "Blowback"
and whats the deal about these "eyes" thing

[iliveforthis99]

From zdspb.com, Open Bolt, Blowback Markers:
These markers are directly based from their closed bolt pump parents (above) with two important changes. The first is that they're semiauto, second is that they're open bolt. This design involves a mechanically-linked hammer and bolt which move forward as one part, simultaneously firing the marker and closing the breech in one stroke. The same pressure from the valve that fires the ball is then used to physically blow the hammer back again, thus recocking the breech. The most notable open bolt blowback design referred to as the stacked tube. It consists of a bottom bore for the hammer, valve, and pressure storage chamber, and an upper bore to hold and guide the bolt. This is a very effective way to produce a consistent and reliable marker system, and is used by many, many marker manufacturers.
Eyes are a electronic anti-chop system. There's two kinds of eyes, break-beam and bounce-beam w/ break-beam being the most common. Break-beam eyes send an IR beam from one side of the breach to the other. The paintball must break that beam that beam in order for the gun to fire, so it pretty much guarantees that you won't chop like a "blind" gun. A bounce-beam eye works similar but instead of two eyes it's just one. When the paintball drops into the breach the IR beam reflects off the ball and into the eye thus letting the gun it's safe to fire. The draw back of bounce beam eyes is that on older versions they had trouble reading dark shelled paint so now they've been pretty much replaced w/ the more reliable break-beam eye system.

[team_Fusion]

what kind of eye is on RSX

[iliveforthis99]

Break-beam

[thedarkness28]

well if your going to spend up to $500 leme give you a list of some good gear.

invert mini= $324.99

c7 dye invision mask=$59.95

smart parts 47ci 3000 compressed air tank=$44.95

halo B loader=$86.99

all comes down to $515.00 if you can go over a little and with that on ansgear.com it gets realy cheap for shipping

[iliveforthis99]

47/3000 tanks are big, heavy, and give very low shot counts. They're are completely not worth getting unless you absolutely have to.