Crossover gun

[Matt98C]

I want a good speedball gun (high rof, durability, easy to shoot and handle) but one that can also be used as a woodsball gun. Meaning darker colors availible, DURABLE, but still fast and compact. I've been lookin at the Proto SLG or Rail or even Invert Mini's. Price isn't a big factor (can't spend $500 or somethin), so what's a good crossover gun between speedball and woods?

[iliveforthis99]

This probably belongs in the high-end forum just so you know. I'd really consider getting the fusion for $225 it's the best new gun in it's price range IMO followed by either the rail or mini. Might be able to track down a used e-cocker as well. You'll probably want to pick up a faster loader as well, the reloader will have a hard time keeping up w/ any high-end electro.

[Matt98C]

ya i thought that but wasn't sure how expensive general "high-end markers" are and i didn't want anyone thinkin I wanted a dm8 or something like that.
thanks for the help

[spyder_013]

I would get an olive Mini. Good color for the woods, its small (if your like me thats a big deal, I like to get close to the opponent quick in woodsball, and its nice for tucking behind a bunker) Fusions are cool, but I really didn't like them, a lot of people love them, I just wasn't one of them.

Yes you will want a better loader, it will work since the markers have eyes, but it will starve them if you want speed.

So IMO, if you want a fast, pretty durable, and compact marker get the Mini.

[Chickenmunga]

This might just be my experience, but the only things I would worry about is the body material and the operation. Spool valves, for instance, have more problems with cold weather.

[el zorro]

My Ion does double duty for woods and speed ball.
FWIW, my spool valves have had no trouble at 40F on A/S CO2.

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[Algernon]

:tup: nice. the ion is like a modern day m98. great for both the woods and the field.

[HungryHippo7735]

My Ion does double duty for woods and speed ball.
FWIW, my spool valves have had no trouble at 40F on A/S CO2.

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40* F isnt cold. Thats almost warm where I live.

Problems with spool valves are more pronounced with the PM/DM line of markers. Ions aren't too bad in the cold though. When I owned an ion, I used to play in 10* F weather during the winter and it performed fine.

[el zorro]

40* F isnt cold. I know what you're saying.

I think my Ion on A/S CO2 would have done fine at colder temps but we never did play on a day when it was that cold. So the best I can do is share the experience I had which was in response to Chikenmunga's comments about spool valves. Knowing you've been down to 10F with an Ion makes me feel better if I should get out on a day that cold, assuming that was with A/S CO2 correct?

Generally, where we live it only gets down into the teens and very rarely into the single didgits. The teens wouldn't be so bad but days like that are usually coupled with winds of 20-40 MPH and wind chills near 0 or below which makes the whole experience too uncomfortable.

[TheMagicSalami]

I had the same dilemma as you. I did my homework and tried to find a gun that would meet both roles, i found it in my 98 custom pro w/ACT and E-trigger. it has the durability for woodsball and you can get 30 bps out of it if you want to, plus the grip is extremely water resistant and as I said it has the durability to go through running into trees, falling over, etc. the only problem that one could have that i see is that its a little bulky and on the heavy side, but the weight problem can be solved with a remote line. But this is only my opinion ;)

[el zorro]

i found it in my 98 custom pro w/ACT and E-trigger.Call it a guess but since Matt98C already has a "Tippmann 98 custom, double trigger, cyclone feed, Dye Xcel 14" barrel, 16 oz. P.E. Co2 tank" he's not interested at simply moving up to an E-Trigger, especially since he specified a "Speed Ball Gun".

Since the markers he listed are all EP's I rather suspect that's what he will go for no matter what. And considering EP's have better shot to shot consistency, reduced weight, compact size and no chopping ever with "eyes" that's the best way to go, IMHO for max performance in either the woods or speed ball.

Part of the reason I went with my Ion Tactical body kit is since it's all dust black it hides better in the woods but lets me mount stuff on it too.

[iliveforthis99]

You can't shoot 30bps and a 98 FYI as well. And if you want water proof you buy the SP-1 or vibe now hands down better performers then any tippy and cheaper too.

[TheMagicSalami]

in reply to el zorro, i am sorry, i wasnt paying attention. My bad
but you can get 30 bps with the Was board seeing as I have done it

[HungryHippo7735]

I know what you're saying.

Knowing you've been down to 10F with an Ion makes me feel better if I should get out on a day that cold, assuming that was with A/S CO2 correct?



I only use HPA. You're gonna have some trouble with your ion shooting at 10 *F if you're using A/S CO2, particularly with shoot down and getting up to the rite velocity.



in reply to el zorro, i am sorry, i wasnt paying attention. My bad
but you can get 30 bps with the Was board seeing as I have done it


i highly doubt that. im gonna have to see a video with a gold wave to believe that. u can prbly top it out at 30 bps by just hearing the solenoid clicks without the marker aired up or cocked, but actual cycles with paint, definitly not.

u mite be confused tho. if u set the board at 30 bps with like auto or sumthing, it wont necessarily shoot 30 bps, it'll just top out the performance and shoot as fast as it can. i've seen a 98c do about 20 bps, but it def wont do 30 bps. the board can do 30 bps, not the marker.

[iliveforthis99]

i highly doubt that. im gonna have to see a video with a gold wave to believe that. u can prbly top it out at 30 bps by just hearing the solenoid clicks without the marker aired up or cocked, but actual cycles with paint, definitly not.

u mite be confused tho. if u set the board at 30 bps with like auto or sumthing, it wont necessarily shoot 30 bps, it'll just top out the performance and shoot as fast as it can. i've seen a 98c do about 20 bps, but it def wont do 30 bps. the board can do 30 bps, not the marker.Yeah the actual boards ROF code just means the board can do 30bps, the gun itself will not be able to that w/ paint.

[TheMagicSalami]

Well being as I didn't read your sig, i retract my previous comment and agree with using an ion, i have a friend who uses his ion for woodsball and speedball and it works well for him.

[el zorro]

I only use HPA. You're gonna have some trouble with your ion shooting at 10 *F if you're using A/S CO2, particularly with shoot down and getting up to the rite velocity. Well I thought that was a bit of stretch, hence the reason I asked. My gut feeling is anything below 32F with A/S CO2 in an Ion is asking for trouble. The fact that it seemed to do OK at 40F made me feel pretty good.

[apbrendanw]

id have to recommend a fusion. Dangerous power is a great company and they make great guns.

[Algernon]

get an ion. buy one used to save a little $. get a kick arse speedball body, frame, barrel, you know, everything and throw the stock parts back on for the woods. the sealed design of the ion makes it hard to get dirt and debris into the marker. water can be a problem considering that the solenoid coils are not insulaled. water inside = bad. other than that the ion is a great choice for a woodball/speedball marker.

other markers to consider are the diablo wrath, and VS and RX spyders. the ion has the most potential as it allows you to have a both a custom woodball setup and a speedball setup, each with different parts but sharing the same internals.

[Chickenmunga]

id have to recommend a fusion. Dangerous power is a great company and they make great guns.

I'd second that, and would be more inclined to pay the extra over an Ion.

[el zorro]

Gotta admit for the money and features the Fusion 8 looks good.
http://i303.photobucket.com/albums/nn126/iakobos1970/Fusion8GreenandBlack.jpg

[Algernon]

the woods could be quite brutal on those eye covers and anno. you'd end up with a scratched up and possibly broken green fusion on the speedball field after you're finished with the woods. spyders and spyder clones have problems with getting crap inside the top tube. it's not a sealed design, stuff can and does get in there, in and around the connecting pin and half block. the marker can jam, or worse the grit that gets all up in there can destroy the eyes as the marker cycles.

i had an old angel LCD i used for woods. that marker's anno was destroyed in a handful of games. even with the semi-sealed design of the roto-breach dirt and whatnot still got in and around the bolt. it was my beater marker/parts marer, not something i really cared about but i sure as heck wouldn't do it to a fusion knowing full well it not nearly as robust as an angel LCD.

that's not to say you couldn't use a fusion for a woodball and speedball marker, just be carefull with it. honestly, i rather buy a used elctromechanical spyder clone for $60 and set it to 10 bps full auto for the woods. maybe even throw on a 16'' barrel and paint it flat black, yet still keep it ergonomic enough to be used as a speedball backup. use the rest of the $ to buy yourself a kick arse speedball marker. with as cheap as used electromechanicals are these days how can you not afford one? the diablo mongoose with eyes new in box is $90. heck, i got like 5 electromechs in my gear bag in various stages of "project marker" just so the rest of my army friends can go play some paintball.