Marker Gas-up Problem

[Munkee98c]

I have a problem with my friend's Icon X. I know this is a Tippmann forum, but this is more of a general marker question, not specific to the type of marker. The 32 degree section of the forums seems to be inhabited by 3 lonely noobs who don't have a clue and I trust the people in the Tippmann section, such as Corrupted who has helped me with my Tippy multiple times. So please, mods, don't delete this post just yet.

Now, on to my problem. When I gas up the marker and fire, it acts almost like there is no gas connected. The tank is full, it makes the normal noise when I connect the tank (gassing the marker), and there is absolutely no leaking sound, but there just isn't hardly any gas being released when I fire. I can tell that there is some gas being discharged when I fire the gun, just not very much at all. Not enough to shoot a ball more than 5 feet or recock the gun.

If somebody could help me out with this it would be much appreciated, I've tried all I know (which isn't very much) and nothing has worked. Sorry for posting in the Tippmann section for this, but I need help quick and you guys really know your stuff. Thanks in advance.

[Orpackrat]

Clogged air line?

Bad Hammer O-ring?

Worn Hamer Spring?

[Crossfire426]

im not familiar with Icons, but you can always check the velocity screw

is there a regulator or anything?

if anythong you can always do a full strip. Like literally open up the marker and check the parts and the tubing and stuff...

also. always remember to oil =p

[Corrupted355]

If this was an Autococker, I'd guess that you've got the bolt upside down, but I know almost nothing about your Icon other than it looks to be a Spyder clone.

Has it always done this, or was this a new development from when it worked before? Can you tell if the ASA is depressing the tank's pin valve all the way? I'm gonna suggest that you tear the thing apart and see if you can find anything. You said you've tried everything you know, but you didn't say what it was you tried.

[Munkee98c]

Ya sorry about the lack of specifics. I have done a full strip, checked all o-rings, and oiled the gun. I'm not positive that the pin valve on the tank is being fully depressed, but the gun acts like it is receiving air (noise when I screw tank on, and release of a lot of air when I take the tank off). As for how long this problem has occurred, I don't know. The gun belongs to a friend of mine who recently bought it for $15 (the guy told him it had some problems, but he didn't know what problems).

Any ideas?

[Crossfire426]

I'm not positive that the pin valve on the tank is being fully depressed, but the gun acts like it is receiving air (noise when I screw tank on, and release of a lot of air when I take the tank off).
Any ideas?

You know what is really wierd... This is the same exact problem i have with my phantom... sometimes it works sometimes it doesnt. I think i know what it's problem is though. I just refuse to do it though because i barely use the phantom anyways since i use my a-5 like always.... And if i start modding my phatom i will Over modd it... which is expensive... which i would rather use to buy a new laptop, snowboard, or pistol marker =p

tac-8 anyone? =p lol i ono

well my problem is that the regulator or w.e. is not working so well. I think its called the hammer assembly in the phantom... Its the back regulator w.e. where the Vertical air connector connects to the back that is pumped and what not...

I'm not to sure, but w.e.

if you can... post a picture of the internals. It can either be the blue print or self photos..

im sure it will help us help you =p lol

[Corrupted355]

If you've got a regulator on that thing, your problem could be something as simple as having the pressure set too low. If the reg is backed off all the way, it will allow little or no air into the marker, but the bottle itself will sound like it's acting correctly, since the regulator is filling with air.

In any case, I'd investigate the path your gas takes from the ASA to the valve very closely. For some reason your valve is getting little to no pressure, which is what's causing your low velocity and lack of recocking. You don't happen to be using an HPA tank that's got a low pressure regulator on there, are you? This looks like a marker that could run directly off CO2, and would therefore require a high pressure regulated HPA tank.

Also, it may be possible that someone has inadvertently switched the hammer and cup seal springs (I know it's fairly easy to do on a '98+ Autococker if you're distracted or too tired to notice the difference). Normally, the valve spring shouldn't be as compressively strong as the hammer spring, with the hammer spring usually being physically larger. If the compression strength is the other way around, and the springs are similarly sized, try swapping them.

[Munkee98c]

No, there is no reg. I will check to make sure nothing is blocking the path of the gas from the ASA to the valve. I will also swap the springs and see if that works. I'll post with the results.