Pb nooby looking at an A-5

[beggs5109]

oky so iv only gone paintballin a couple of times:|, the first gun i was going to get was a spyder rodeo, but that was a while ago and now i want to get an A-5. I'm going to order it from pntball.com for $430 it comes w/

New Tippmann A5 Marker
Cyclone Ammo Hopper
A5 Flatline Barrel:D and Standard Barrel
A5 WAS Board Egrip:D
Tippmann A5 Double Trigger
A5 Tactical 6 position Adjustable Stock
UFD Heavy Duty Coiled Remote with Quick Disconnect On/Off
Padded Gun Case
GXG Stealth Mask with Visor & Anti Fog Lens
New PMI/Spyder 20 oz CO2 Tank with pin valve
Black 6+1 Deluxe Paintball Harness
6 - 140 Round Heavy Duty Pods
Premium 1oz Oil
PhyscoBallistics Heavy Duty Jerk Squeegee
Allen Wrenches
Standard Gun Oil
Tippmann Barrel Condom (hehehe..... condom)
2 Cleaning Cables for Flatline and for StandardI also plan on buying a bipod, battle shroud grip, a Nc lazer, and a new bolt for an additional $80.

looking for some constructive critisism:confused:

i would also like to know where i can find a weave rail for a scope, cuz the only ones iv found are dove tail.:eek:

[Orpackrat]

oky so iv only gone paintballin a couple of times:|, the first gun i was going to get was a spyder rodeo, but that was a while ago and now i want to get an A-5. I'm going to order it from pntball.com for $430 it comes w/
New Tippmann A5 Marker
Cyclone Ammo Hopper
A5 Flatline Barrel:D and Standard Barrel
A5 WAS Board Egrip:D
Tippmann A5 Double Trigger
A5 Tactical 6 position Adjustable Stock
UFD Heavy Duty Coiled Remote with Quick Disconnect On/Off
Padded Gun Case
GXG Stealth Mask with Visor & Anti Fog Lens
New PMI/Spyder 20 oz CO2 Tank with pin valve
Black 6+1 Deluxe Paintball Harness
6 - 140 Round Heavy Duty Pods
Premium 1oz Oil
PhyscoBallistics Heavy Duty Jerk Squeegee
Allen Wrenches
Standard Gun Oil
Tippmann Barrel Condom (hehehe..... condom)
2 Cleaning Cables for Flatline and for StandardI also plan on buying a bipod, battle shroud grip, a Nc lazer, and a new bolt for an additional $80.

looking for some constructive critisism:confused:

i would also like to know where i can find a weave rail for a scope, cuz the only ones iv found are dove tail.:eek:

I would suggest Ebay for a better price:
http://cgi.ebay.com/New-TIPPMANN-A5-A-5-Marker-Gun-FLATLINE-EGRIP-Set-2_W0QQitemZ130226111128QQihZ003QQcategoryZ47248QQs sPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Or better yet:
http://cgi.ebay.com/NEW-Tippmann-A-5-Sniper-paintball-gun-Flatline-A5-Rifle_W0QQitemZ170224759428QQihZ007QQcategoryZ4724 8QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
(and get the APE E-Grip which is better)

Or for best results:
http://cgi.ebay.com/NEW-TIPPMANN-A5-Paintball-Marker-Gun-MEGA_W0QQitemZ160247396837QQihZ006QQcategoryZ47248 QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
http://www.palmer-pursuit.com/cart/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=22_34&products_id=162
http://cgi.ebay.com/BT-Apex-barrel-Tippmann-A5-folding-stock-raised-sight_W0QQitemZ260246993517QQihZ016QQcategoryZ1604 6QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
(Apex tip to put on the Palmers Brass Barrel)
APE E-Grip
http://cgi.ebay.com/32-DEGREES-HEAVY-DUTY-COIL-REMOTE_W0QQitemZ360057764598QQihZ023QQcategoryZ830 44QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Other parts bought individually also so you get quality.
http://www.opsgear.com/Tippmann-A5-Modifications-Mods-Upgrades-and-Accessories-s/240.htm

A better mask would be one with a Thermal Lense since anything with an Anti-Fog coating or spay is worthless.
Most fields won't let you use a laser and a new bolt won't inprove performance (the stock bolt and powertube will give you the best performance and should only be replaced in the rare chance of you bolt and powertube breaking).

With an increased rate of fire from an E-Grip, I recommend getting Tech-T cyclone upgrades with the minimum upgrade being the Vortex Ratchet:
http://www.techtpaintball.com/vortexmod.html

[beggs5109]

thx for the links the "best"one had a nice deal but it didnt say if it had the W.A.S. board or the E-Grip, and i have to have me flatline barrel so that cancels out the thought of most shrouds and crap

[Orpackrat]

thx for the links the "best"one had a nice deal but it didnt say if it had the W.A.S. board or the E-Grip, and i have to have me flatline barrel so that cancels out the thought of most shrouds and crap

It was stock and an APE E-Grip would have to be bought.

Why must you have the flatline barrel?

The flatline is hard on paintballs, needs to be tuned, and has some other downsides.

The Palmers Brass Barrel is the best single bore barrel you can get and the Apex Tip can give it the flatline effect and more. It is adjustable from 0=Off, 4=Flatline, 8=Super Flatline. It can also do trick shots, easier cleaned, and not as hard on paintballs.

The Palmers Brass Barrel and Apex Tip is one of the best barrel combinations you can buy.

[beggs5109]

well iv read a lot of forums and looked up info online and i hadnt heard anything bad about the flatline barrel, and it adds like 100ft to projectile trajectory. almost all of the other A-5's that are sold on different sites either cost more or they dont have the W.A.S. board or E-grip.

the flateline was part of the package and i might have to look into that palmers barrel sounds awesome

[Orpackrat]

well iv read a lot of forums and looked up info online and i hadnt heard anything bad about the flatline barrel, and it adds like 100ft to projectile trajectory. almost all of the other A-5's that are sold on different sites either cost more or they dont have the W.A.S. board or E-grip.

the flateline was part of the package and i might have to look into that palmers barrel sounds awesome

The apex will actually add more range than the flatline and the flatline only adds 50' if that.

There is a big problem with shooting that far though. The farther the paintball travels, the slower it goes. With the extra range from the flatline or apex, the paintball is more likely to bounce than break (if you have the perfect paintballs, then they are more likely to break but still bounce alot).

The flatline must shoot at a specific velocity of about 265-285FPS or it will not work right where as the Apex is not as picky on the speed of the paintball.

[Corrupted355]

I only have one thing to say about the Flatline: After having previously owned one, I would never have another one on my Tippmann.

[Orpackrat]

I only have one thing to say about the Flatline: After having previously owned one, I would never have another one on my Tippmann.

Same here. Only Apex tips.

[beggs5109]

really cuz the some info i read said the flatline added like an avg of 100ft to his balls. i guess im going to have to find a new package, what sight should i look at for an A-5 (i want a tactical looking gun that performs well that is around $600):confused:

and how hard would it be to upgrade the cyclone the the vortex by myself( reminding u this would be mine first actual pbgun so i have no idea how to install it

[Orpackrat]

really cuz the some info i read said the flatline added like an avg of 100ft to his balls. i guess im going to have to find a new package, what sight should i look at for an A-5 (i want a tacticle looking gun that performs well that is around $600):confused:

Get an A5 (new or used)
http://www.ebay.com/

Tactical parts from: http://www.opsgear.com/Tippmann-A5-Modifications-Mods-Upgrades-and-Accessories-s/240.htm[/URL]

A Palmers Brass Barrel: http://www.palmer-pursuit.com/cart/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=22_34&products_id=162 (http://www.opsgear.com/A5-Gun-Kits-s/253.htm)

A Palmers Brass Barrel Apex Tip adaptor if you don't want to use the "tape" mod: [URL]http://www.palmer-pursuit.com/cart/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=22_43&products_id=202


Apex Tip, stock, riser package here: http://cgi.ebay.com/BT-Apex-barrel-Tippmann-A5-folding-stock-raised-sight_W0QQitemZ260246993517QQihZ016QQcategoryZ1604 6QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Tech-T cyclone upgrades, the Vortex Ratchet at the minimum: http://www.techtpaintball.com/vortexmod.html

And an APE E-Grip or Response Trigger: http://www.specialopspaintball.com/shop/product_detail.asp?SKU=211+0043&SEARCH=APE%20E%20GRIP
http://cgi.ebay.com/NEW-Tippmann-A-5-A5-Response-Trigger-Kit-R-T-RT-Double_W0QQitemZ310054343125QQihZ021QQcategoryZ472 48QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

[beggs5109]

[quote=Corrupted355;4199886]I only have one thing to say about the Flatline: After having previously owned one, I would never have another one on my Tippmann.[/quote

im going to take a look at all those sites and see how much it will cost me for similar products

Orpackrat i really liked that opsgear site
corrupted can you go into detail why the flatline is bad?

oky iv made my decision im going to get my whole package with the flatline and all that jazz, the site said it will take 2 days to deliver but i have to w8 until im 18 which is the 12th so ill probably get it the 15th or 16th. ill make sure ill tell u guys what i think of it when i get it

[Orpackrat]

I only have one thing to say about the Flatline: After having previously owned one, I would never have another one on my Tippmann.

im going to take a look at all those sites and see how much it will cost me for similar products

Orpackrat i really liked that opsgear site
corrupted can you go into detail why the flatline is bad?

Always on, hard to clean, hard of paintballs, has to be "tuned", needs a specific velocity, needs a specific paintball to shoot with any accuracy, etc.

The simple fact that the Apex tip can be put on just about any barrel and can be turned off as well as bing adjustable makes it better than the flatline barrel which is always on.

Even if you got an extra 100' in range, you will have hardly any accuracy and at that range and speed, the paintball is more likely the bounce than break.

[ICU117]

I only have one thing to say about the Flatline: After having previously owned one, I would never have another one on my Tippmann.

I didn't have any problems with one on my A5, but the apex was better. Unless your going for a mil-sim type look, i'd drop the laser, bipod and such. I used to play with this guy every so often who would always say, awww there goes another laser, he apparently had lost like 4 laser and eventually gave up with them. he never even used them for games, because the field wouldn't allow it.

[beggs5109]

now that u mention it and i think about it i dont need the lazer :pissed: (i like laser with the z) but im going to keep the bipod but what size of a bore should i get id get the black matte powder, 12', and is the venting worth the extra $50 :eyes:

[Orpackrat]

now that u mention it and i think about it i dont need the lazer :pissed: (i like laser with the z) but im going to keep the bipod but what size of a bore should i get id get the black matte powder, 12', and is the venting worth the extra $50 :eyes:

.690 bore

On a Tippmann, porting won't make a difference.

Hopefully you mean 12" instead of 12'.

[beggs5109]

NO i want a 12 foot barrel.... NOT

ill keep an eye on this thread and will post on it again as soon as i get my gun

[Corrupted355]

i want a tactical looking gun that performs well that is around $600
Then you actually want an Airgun Designs Tac One, not a Tippmann. You need compressed air and a decent hopper, but that's all you will ever need.




corrupted can you go into detail why the flatline is bad?
Orpackrat prettymuch says it all:
Always on, hard to clean, hard of paintballs, has to be "tuned", needs a specific velocity, needs a specific paintball to shoot with any accuracy, etc.
Basically, it's extremely picky on what paint will shoot well through it, shreds more balls than your average barrel, and is very difficult to get completely clean once you do break. And you will break, believe me. So basically your scenario goes down like this: you show up at a field that only lets you use field paint. That paint doesn't shoot well through the Flatty. As a result, you get a Wagner instead of a paintball gun. And then to add to your misery, you can't even get the barrel clean enough to prevent more breaks.

EDIT:
See post #8 in the following thread for my latest rant on the Flatline versus the Apex:
http://www.pbreview.com/forums/showthread.php?p=4200001#post4200001




venting worth the extra $50 :eyes:Palmer will tell you that it is, but don't go for it. I'm sure that the venting does add some performance increase, however that increase is so slight that you'll never notice it in the real world. Take it from a guy who's owned several of them: Venting 'ain't worth it.

[beggs5109]

i dont know why but i would rather not buy the palmers barrel, (i want to get them all from the same site) so im going to get the flatline w/ the package and the standard barrel comes w/ it. What other barrel should i use for field paint, and can you buy field paint from online or do i have to make it or buy it from the field?:confused:

[Klim0009]

If your going to get a E-Grip then a Flatty wont be a good idea. It doesnt handle high rates of fire very well.

[Curly Fry]

dont get the flatline, its more hassle than its worth, for the money, you could get a J&J edge kit which would yield MUCH better accuracy

[Corrupted355]

No, let him get the Flatline. In a year, he'll be just like us, touting it's gracious failures.

[sarduy]

i'm not sure if you want this... but i can drop a mas and a co2 tank

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=300231518957&ssPageName=STRK:MESE:IT&ih=020

BTW if you are going to play woodsball the tippmann is a great (if not the best) marker ;)

[Addicted2Mdew]

No, let him get the Flatline. In a year, he'll be just like us, touting it's gracious failures.
Isnt that the truth. Although it didnt take me that long to realize that the flatline was not right for me... or anyone

dont get the flatline, its more hassle than its worth, for the money, you could get a J&J edge kit which would yield MUCH better accuracy
Yes sir. The Edge Elite kit is awesome. Went through 2 in a half cases of paint today and didnt chop or break any paint. Plus its very accurate and will hit your target.(within the range of a normal barrel)
Plus if you want a barrel with distance you can order your jj kit and ask if its possible for them to send you the old style tip for your 12 or 14in that way you can do that apex tape mod.

[beggs5109]

im going to order the package i know flatline= chopped balls but i need to try it for my self, if i dont like it ill order a j&j w/ an apex. ^^

[super_pro]

My brothers friend bought a Flatline then about a month later he traded it for a Smart Parts Progressive. Thats all iknow about the Flatlines.

[Addicted2Mdew]

im going to order the package i know flatline= chopped balls but i need to try it for my self, if i dont like it ill order a j&j w/ an apex. ^^
Were just trying to save you a headache and some cash. Your the boss....

[ICU117]

I remember when the ole flatty first came out, everyone was like, zomg this is the greatest thing ever, those silly speedballers will never hit me now.. I loved it, still do, my friend uses one on his A5 still, it works so good if you can get the right combo of paint, and velocity. You just need to experiment with it. True the Apex is better since the long ball feature can be basically turned off, and it is less paint picky, but a flatline can be just as nice if you ask me. And I've had both. If you really want accuracy, get a barrel kit, but all of us go through the longball phase.

[Corrupted355]

I have to admit that if you're adamant and baby the thing, there's no reason a Flatline will ever do you wrong. But most people just don't exhibit the kind of diligence required to keep it running right. You've got to follow the rules or it'll bite back. I prefer to have something that's a little more forgiving when you step outside the boundaries. That's why I bought Tippmann in the first place.

[beggs5109]

thx i appriciate ur opinions :cool: and have taken them all into consideration :goody: so dont think im ignoring :pissed: u cuz im getting the flatine, like the main reason im getting it is cuz im getting it cheap :eek: w/ other stuff, and where is the best place to get marbelizers:eyes:

[Curly Fry]

your local paintball shop, or www.affordablepaintballs.com

[ICU117]

not to be annoying or anything, but is it really necessary for all those smileys?:confused::eek::rolleyes::laugh:

[Corrupted355]

Everyone goes through the phase where they discover the smiley function. I guarantee if we go back far enough, we'll find one you made that looks similar to that.

[ICU117]

lies... bold faced lies... lol

[ForsakenTheDay]

thx for the links the "best"one had a nice deal but it didnt say if it had the W.A.S. board or the E-Grip, and i have to have me flatline barrel so that cancels out the thought of most shrouds and crap

Hey if u check out the spec. ops paintball website there are some shrouds available.

[supermario98]

your local paintball shop, or www.affordablepaintballs.com (http://www.affordablepaintballs.com)

Yah a little OT, but, do you guys order paint online? The about 3 times that we did, more then half of the bags would have broken paintballs inside after delivered :(. And even the ones that they would send for free afterwards would have too. (from orderpaintball.com)
(^^ that's one very bad website btw, after browsing through it, they have about.. nothing really? Lol)

[Corrupted355]

What part of "No Broken Paint Guarantee" doesn't make sense?

I've never ordered from them, but apbrenda has. I believe they are one of her sponsors.

[Pops55]

Upgrades! Yee haw!

Good paint and tactics is the name of the game.

BTW, there is a reason you are getting the Flatline cheap...

[PO-BOY]

Im Selling My Up'ed A-5 Cheap Pm Me Back For Pics And Price Thanks

[Orpackrat]

Im Selling My Up'ed A-5 Cheap Pm Me Back For Pics And Price Thanks

Not the place, try here:

http://www.pbreview.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=37

[Curly Fry]

What part of "No Broken Paint Guarantee" doesn't make sense?

I've never ordered from them, but apbrenda has. I believe they are one of her sponsors.

yea, the website is great, decent price and i hardly ever get broken paint in my cases, only once they had to send me another

[Apocalypse137]

First I would suggest NOT spending a million dollars before you've even shot the gun.
My opinion (based on my mistake i made with my A-5's)
Order the A-5 with the things you NEED to play well and have fun.
Needs= Gun, barrel, tank, mask

Then play a while (meaning more than 2 weekends...) and THEN start looking at useless stuff such as bipods, shrouds, etc.

My mistake was I played 2 weekends, then went out and bought a $700 a-5 all at once a complete M82A1 shroud, red dot, with the A-5, e-grip, J&J barrel + flatline, stock, and a list of other mods.... got it and liked it for a while but then I spent $350 on a Dangerous Power G3 and it outshoots BOTH my A-5's which have $700 invested in each of them.

just play for a while with an a-5 NOT maxed out and see hwo u like it, all those mods only improve the A-5 so much--they will not turn it into super-gun. I've never been completely satisfied with my A-5's after you pass the noob stage :)

[Corrupted355]

^^
I'll concur with that. It took me two full years to get my A-5 to the point where I consider it to be done. The best way to upgrade is to play with the marker for a while, so you can discover where it's lacking. Then you do the research to find out the best way to fix the void infraction. Finally, you play with the marker for a while so that you can get used to the new gadget. Once you're used to everything, then you can go searching for new places where your marker is deficient.

[PO-BOY]

^^
I'll concur with that. It took me two full years to get my A-5 to the point where I consider it to be done. The best way to upgrade is to play with the marker for a while, so you can discover where it's lacking. Then you do the research to find out the best way to fix the void infraction. Finally, you play with the marker for a while so that you can get used to the new gadget. Once you're used to everything, then you can go searching for new places where your marker is deficient.

that is something to think about

[dill606]

Wow that's a pretty good deal for all that.