do i need an expanision chamber??

[rdreier]

I have a 98 custom pro ACT and I've yet to actually go play with it but i hear a lot of people say to get an expansion chamber but i'd like to get more opinions. I will mainly be playing woodsball and my upgrades i plan on getting is a J&J 14" ceramic barrell, eggy 3 loader, and R/T since most of the people I play with have electronic markers i gotta keep up. Thanks for the help.

[iliveforthis99]

Wow i usually don't come in here but i'm bored.

Just play with it. Don't go out and drop tons of useless upgrades in it when you don't need to. Tippys are decent with CO2 but an expansion chamber i guess would help a little keeping liquid CO2 out of the gun. Personally though i'd just spring for an anti-siphon in your tank and leave it at that. Wouldn't even bother with an R/T either. Speed doesn't matter much in the woods, spend the money you save on not getting it on playing and getting better, Skill > ROF. Put a 2x trigger on and do a pen spring mod and you'll have a nicer trigger pull.

[Corrupted355]

No, you don't need one. Unless you're getting a LOT of liquid CO2, there's no reason to have an X-chamber. In my opinion, they're rather useless.

[Orpackrat]

I have a 98 custom pro ACT and I've yet to actually go play with it but i hear a lot of people say to get an expansion chamber but i'd like to get more opinions. I will mainly be playing woodsball and my upgrades i plan on getting is a J&J 14" ceramic barrell, eggy 3 loader, and R/T since most of the people I play with have electronic markers i gotta keep up. Thanks for the help.

The 98C is good on Co2. An expansion chamber will lessen the Liquid Co2 getting into the gun but it will loose its usefulness when the expansion chamber ices over from cold temperatures and lots of firing.

If you can get the whole expansion chamber assembly for less than $30 than its a good deal.

In my opinion, an expansion chamber is a good addition if you plan on using the RT a lot as it will reduce the amount of ice buildup on the RT air lines.

If you can afford it though, get a Palmers Stabilizer as its the best option due to it being able to regulate the pressure into the gun and best keep liquid Co2 from getting into the gun.

[Shadow Wolf1990]

BPS isn't nearly big of a factor in woodsball as it is in speedball unless you go into that whole dual tippmann set up and like to carry about two cases worth of paintballs and gas to just lay the paint down which is also quite useless in many ways. People who do that are basically just wanting to show off. Where I play woodsball, its so thick its basically you get the element of surprise and you shoot them or your the one who gets surprised, not much room for duck and cover unless they took a long shot and missed.

[Corrupted355]

^^
Apparently, Shadow Wolf, you've never been at the helm of a Double Trouble. I've built two myself, and there's not much more fun than walking onto the field carrying a marker that's got two barrels, weighs fifteen pounds, and has the capability to render your opponent's cover (bushes, brush, small trees, or anything with a slot big enough to fit a 'ball through) completely useless. It's not about getting noticed; it's about laughing like a maniac while you mow down everything in your path. Why do you think we have tanks and LAW's? The first day I carried a LAW into a scenario still stands to this day as the best time I've ever had on a field.

[jeff371]

Just get you a barrel and a good loader. You will be set. You need nothing else.

[Shadow Wolf1990]

^^
Apparently, Shadow Wolf, you've never been at the helm of a Double Trouble. I've built two myself, and there's not much more fun than walking onto the field carrying a marker that's got two barrels, weighs fifteen pounds, and has the capability to render your opponent's cover (bushes, brush, small trees, or anything with a slot big enough to fit a 'ball through) completely useless. It's not about getting noticed; it's about laughing like a maniac while you mow down everything in your path. Why do you think we have tanks and LAW's? The first day I carried a LAW into a scenario still stands to this day as the best time I've ever had on a field.

In a scenario I can see how that would be fun because of the hundreds of people. In a normal woodsballs match it wouldn't be quite the same. Not to mention that's the cost of two guns and at least the use of twice the paint and gas needed. Though I guess its just my playing style of being conservative and the fact that I and most other normal players don't have that kind of money. Also can't stand the fact of being cumber down with that weight. I'm more of a, its more about the person then the gun. Though playing style is a personal choice for whatever that maybe which will lead to opinions like I just have.

I wanna try the homemade paintball gernades, get like a ton of those and carry them in a backpack, be like spamming all of those everywhere, not quite the same distance, but has a good hit radius if thrown right. Not to mention its more silent.

What would also be cool if somebody could figure out a way to make a homemade E-grip or R/T and cost half the price to make one.

[Corrupted355]

I wanna try the homemade paintball gernades, get like a ton of those and carry them in a backpack, be like spamming all of those everywhere, not quite the same distance, but has a good hit radius if thrown right. Not to mention its more silent.
Talk to Orpackrat and see if he'll give you his formula for grenade fill. I had been using something similar, but I like the consistency of his is a bit better.

[Orpackrat]

Talk to Orpackrat and see if he'll give you his formula for grenade fill. I had been using something similar, but I like the consistency of his is a bit better.

Its okay to tell it, its just one of the many free ones available on the web.

[Shadow Wolf1990]

Most formulas I've seen just say "boil water and add corn starch till desire thickness and then add bright food coloring." Unless you put something else in yours that would be a bit easier.

[Corrupted355]

::clears throat::
My favorite concoction goes as follows:


The paint mixture is:
1 Gallon water
1lb Corn Starch
8-16oz (depending on color) poster paint
1 cup vegetable oil
1/4 cup mint mouthwash

The water, corn starch, and paint are mixed together cold.
Heated to a boil till thick and the rest is added while the mixture is cooling.
The end result is sludge like paint that makes an excellent fill.
Its very thick and heavy getting a good solid spray that is not easily hidden.

[Shadow Wolf1990]

Ummm, minty, gonna need a fairly large pot. Interested to know why mouthwash is in it and how many on adverage does this make, though I guess that would vary a lot depending if you use a single or double chamber grenade.

[Corrupted355]

I'm pretty sure that the mouthwash just acts as an emulsifier so that the oil will mix.

[Orpackrat]

The mouthwash, is primarily to make the paint last longer due to the alcohol mixed with the food grade ingredients.


+ you get a little mint smell from it.


Edit:

Most formulas I've seen just say "boil water and add corn starch till desire thickness and then add bright food coloring." Unless you put something else in yours that would be a bit easier.

Food Coloring is a bad idea unless you plan on buying everyone a new uniform since it will stain.

[Shadow Wolf1990]

Thanks for the warning, didn't think about that.

[ftsagm]

i've got the gta expansion chamber for my a-5. it helps a bit. but if i do some shooting downhill liquid finds it's way into the marker like it wasn't even there. it's only a 2 stage chamber. some of the after market manufacturers make 4,5,and 6 stage chambers which help a bit more. but if you really want to keep out liquid i hear get a palmers stabilizer or a remote.

i want to anti siphon my 20oz tanks but no shop around here does it. and i'm not going to risk it myself.

[Corrupted355]

palmers stabilizerEven if you wanted to, you'd have trouble getting liquid through one of these. Once mine was broken in, I tried to freeze it and get liquid through it by dumping straight liquid CO2 into it, but it never flinched. It got real cold, but the output pressure never wavered.

[Magmoormaster]

Skill > ROF.
Wow, you just summed up my philosophy. Even in speedball, ROF gets trumped by skill.

[Corrupted355]

^^
Ain't it the truth though? Last time I was out, I was watching a guy mow faces on the Xball field with a pump.

[FlamingoChavez]

^^
Ain't it the truth though? Last time I was out, I was watching a guy mow faces on the Xball field with a pump.
It'll give you an edge if you are equally matched, but more importantly... skill>equipment.

[nodiaque]

Talk to Orpackrat and see if he'll give you his formula for grenade fill. I had been using something similar, but I like the consistency of his is a bit better.

I've got a question on that. I saw the recipe but in what do you fill that to make a grenade? Do you simply take a plastic balloon?

Thanks

[Orpackrat]

I've got a question on that. I saw the recipe but in what do you fill that to make a grenade? Do you simply take a plastic balloon?

Thanks

Actually its latex tubing sealed on one end, filled with paint, and temporarily closed on the other end typically with a washer holding the end folded over itself and a pin to keep the washer from falling off until its ready to use.

[Corrupted355]

Typically, I take a piece of surgical tubing about 5 1/2 inches long, and fold one end over on itself and zip-tie it. You want to make this sealed end as short as possible, but not so short that it'll pop free. Then , once I fill the grenade, I temporarily pinch off the opened end with a pair of locking forceps to keep the liquid inside. Then I'll take a section of surgical tubing about 1/4" long and use it to hold closed the temporarily sealed end in the same way that I used the zip-tie on the other end. You want this fold to have take up about an inch or more of the leftover tubing. When you've got the small piece of tubing in place over the end, you can cut off the excess from the zip-tie and use that as a locking pin. Slip it inside the fold, above the piece of tubing that's holding the fold closed. This way, that little piece of tube can't just slide off.

When you're ready to throw, just pull out the strip of zip-tie and chuck the grenade at your opponent. This method is basically identical to the one Orpackrat was talking about, but it uses a small section of surgical tubing instead of a washer. Personally, I like this method a little better because it doesn't fling any hard metal washers at anyone when the grenade goes off.

[Shadow Wolf1990]

Look it up on youtube, making homemade paintball grenades are everywhere on there