Trigger Spring Full Auto Mods

[Shadow Wolf1990]

I've found a few mods of making a Tippmann go full auto without a E-grip or RT trigger. Basically they are making it where the sears hammer never goes back up until you release the trigger. Anybody know if these mods work very well? All the videos I see is of people just dry firing their guns, but non of them ever actually put paintballs into it to prove how well it works without chopping or shooting the gun correctly. Figure maybe somebody here has tried it and can tell the the results before I start tinkering with my gun.

[kwalski]

They chop madly. There is no regulation and the balls just don't feed fast enough. It's essentially a blender mod.

[Coenen]

Exactly, with nothing to limit the markers cycle rate the gun basically fires at it's maximum cyclic rate. There's nothing you can do to get paint in the chamber fast enough to feed it. It may not even be turning full cycles honestly.

Mods like that are better left undone.

[Shadow Wolf1990]

That's what I figured, I was wondering why if this mod was so great then why the hell did Tippmann go out of its way to make something alittle more complex to do the samething.

What if you had a cyclone feeder on it then? they pretty much can regulate the feed to a certain degree?

[Orpackrat]

That's what I figured, I was wondering why if this mod was so great then why the hell did Tippmann go out of its way to make something alittle more complex to do the samething.

What if you had a cyclone feeder on it then? they pretty much can regulate the feed to a certain degree?

Not even a fully upgraded cyclone can handle the speeds (aluminum internals, properly greased, QEV, Soft Paddles, 1/8" air lines). The gun will cycle uncontrollably practically, excess of 40CPS.

[Corrupted355]

Not to mention that even if you did get it to load that fast, it'd be wicked dangerous.

The Tippmann Factory F/A actually did something like this. It had a selector switch that allowed the user to choose fully automatic. However, the F/A had a device on the top rear of the marker that acted like a hammer brake. It grabbed the hammer temporarily and caused it to pause in the rear position. It was a hydraulic key/linkage/shock system that dragged a set of keys across the top of the hammer to accomplish the task. It was adjustable, but the adjustment was tricky for some folk.

[Orpackrat]

The Tippmann Factory F/A actually did something like this. It had a selector switch that allowed the user to choose fully automatic. However, the F/A had a device on the top rear of the marker that acted like a hammer brake. It grabbed the hammer temporarily and caused it to pause in the rear position. It was a hydraulic key/linkage/shock system that dragged a set of keys across the top of the hammer to accomplish the task. It was adjustable, but the adjustment was tricky for some folk.

Where can I find one?

[Corrupted355]

An F/A? The best place is probably gonna be the BST's at MCarterBrown. I've only ever seen a couple for sale, and they all went for $500-700.

EDIT: It doesn't look like these have sold yet.
http://www.mcarterbrown.com/forums/rare-old-guns/41996-2x-tippmann-factory-f-fs.html

[SPRAYonPAINT]

i tryed this about a week ago and mabie its just i didnt use a good enough spring but mine dosent shoot no 40bps. i shot about ten shots through it and only chopped once. but it didnt break in the gun it broke in my apex. thats the results of cheap paint, cold weather and a apex. haha suxx

[Orpackrat]

To spendy for me.

[Corrupted355]

i tryed this about a week ago and mabie its just i didnt use a good enough spring but mine dosent shoot no 40bps. i shot about ten shots through it and only chopped once. but it didnt break in the gun it broke in my apex. thats the results of cheap paint, cold weather and a apex. haha suxx
I would like to reiterate:
Not to mention that even if you did get it to load that fast, it'd be wicked dangerous.

If I find anyone at the field I play at who has done this to their marker, I'll either drag them off the field and fix the malfunction myself, or take anyone who respects my opinion to another field and leave the guy to play by himself.

[misedme]

My Custom Pro did something like that this past week.(shot uncontrolable)Where the bolt and the trigger sear are suppose to catch, rounded and would not lock. Looked like I had a spraypaint can at the end of my barrel.

[Orpackrat]

After 7 years of heavy use, my sear and hammer finally rounded out last year at HonorBound 08 after an estimated over half million paintballs fired from my 98C.

[beaver_fever]

I had an old 98 custom do that once, and it was just a worn sear. Recently a guy who plays with us bought a bt delta. He somehow rigged the trigger to shoot full auto. Don't know exactly what he did but going by what he said it sounded like he put a pin of some kind in the hole in the sear to keep the sear from sliding back like it should to catch the bolt. No matter how he did it, it did not work. Sounded wicked when he dry fired it, but would chop like crazy when he put paint in. He said he removed the pin and now it works perfectly as a semi. My guess is he will buy an egrip this week. Save yourself a hassle and get an egrip or rt if you want higher rates of fire.

[SPRAYonPAINT]

Exactly, with nothing to limit the markers cycle rate the gun basically fires at it's maximum cyclic rate. There's nothing you can do to get paint in the chamber fast enough to feed it. It may not even be turning full cycles honestly.

Mods like that are better left undone.
well there is a loader that can keep up with it, dye rotor is supposed to feed 50bps+. i read it in "paintball sports" mag and thay said it was true, it really could do it.

[Corrupted355]

well there is a loader that can keep up with it, dye rotor is supposed to feed 50bps+. i read it in "paintball sports" mag and thay said it was true, it really could do it.
http://www.non-refundable.com/yh/sisko_facepalm.gif

[Shadow Wolf1990]

Is there a blue print layout or something for the F/A cyclone thing you mention, that seems pretty interesting.

[Coenen]

http://i182.photobucket.com/albums/x88/mlc53/startrekhats.jpg

[Orpackrat]

http://i182.photobucket.com/albums/x88/mlc53/startrekhats.jpg

I can't take any of them seriously in those hats :laugh:.

[Corrupted355]

Is there a blue print layout or something for the F/A cyclone thing you mention, that seems pretty interesting.
This is the best I can get. Basically, picture a Cyclone, but with a wind-up spring instead of a pneumatic system.
http://www.paintball-parts.com/v/vspfiles/photos/diagrams/Tippmann%20FA%20Diagram.jpg

Also, Coenen: I love those hats.

[Orpackrat]

This is the best I can get. Basically, picture a Cyclone, but with a wind-up spring instead of a pneumatic system.
http://www.paintball-parts.com/v/vspfiles/photos/diagrams/Tippmann%20FA%20Diagram.jpg


I think I can do better:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kt5i8xB61Uc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uSzmVUV_rDE&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GO4LyxjPCB8&feature=related

[tippmannsnipa08]

hey i tryed the so called mod like a month ago and i did not like it because it wasted to much air i had a full tank of air and wasted it like 3-5 minutes. so its just best to stick with it stock or e-grip or rt.

[Shadow Wolf1990]

I just read about it, like I said, all the so called "tests" for it was of everybody just dry firing it. I figure it was too good to be true or else the RT and the E-Grip wouldn't be so made or be so popular then. I was just hopping their was a way to have a decent and controlled setting full auto gun cheaply without buying stuff, but I reather keep my gun as is then have a mod that just blows gas and chops everything into liquid and like orpackrat said, maybe not even full cycles, not to mention maybe even dangerous because it goes out of control.

Oh and thanks for the links Corrupted and Orpackrat.