Rubber balls for home defense

[Rocky90]

I bought a PCS-US 5 (A-5 tippy clone without cyclone) a couple of weeks ago, together with a 12 inch night stick (for maximum velocity) and some mini size training cartridges.

The balls are out of hard, black rubber, weigh about 3,8 grams each (that's 0,7 more than a paintball). They come in a bunch of 100, for a little less than 30€.
About 1-5 of 100 are bad. They come oiled. You can not squeeze them with your fingers and they only contract when you use your jaw muscles. They probably don't even do, when they hit at 400f/s. I shot about 30-50 and almost lost half of them because they bounce from impact to a radius of 20 feet and I couldn't find them all in the grass.



I'm located in europe and are pretty sure they are imported but can't find the same package in US shops, but they should be the same as the RAP4 balls they say are made for law enforcement.

I also ordered a kit containing an extra hard hammer spring giving about 1/4-1/3 more velocity, (comparable to the red one from the maddmann springkit) and which is a couple of windings longer and it makes the gun much harder to cock.

I have no way of finding out the speed of this right now, but with the extra weigh of these balls, the shorter barrel, the extra hard spring and the velocity wrench screwed way out, I suspect it would be rather close to 500f/s, which is about half the velocity of the bullet of a .38 special revolver.

I first fired on a college block, 80 pages thick and one shot left impact marks in 28 pages. For a smooth object to even cause rip marks, not bend marks requires a lot of energy.
The only other object I fired on was a small sized empty can (those veggy cans) and it was blown away about 6-9 feet per shot.


These rounds have the energy to knock someone down and if you'd freeze them they would probably kill.
They can defo turn your marker into a SERIOUS non-lethal home defense solution.

[iliveforthis99]

Meh i rather a 12 gauge and not getting sued later for putting welts on the intruder. Castle Law is a beautiful thing.

[killertip212]

I carry a custom USP in .45acp for that reason aswell....

[Rocky90]

Life wasters!

Full metal guns are there to be used against tyrannical government and their lackeys, not small scale criminals! (that's afterall the only reason why US-citizens have retained the right to arms through histiory), formerly against the British and now your own US military too, who consider you gun owners terrorists by the way, :laugh: especially during martial law.

[Tony Montana 2]

True but here the dam scum bag criminal can sue you for hurting him while braking into your home

[di$TOrTed]

I see where you're coming from with this, but if the intruder has a real gun wouldn't you rather have one too? instead of having a paintball gun?

[loldongs]

I've shot people starting fights outside with PAVA riot balls and the work wonders.
In fact some guy in South Africa killed an intruder using a PVC ball he was not charged due to using a less-lethal weapon.
and if a intruder steals your handgun from the side of your bed you will have alot more problems than a stolen paintball gun.
I'm not sure about the laws in america but in africa having a gun in the immediate open is asking for **** and you can look towards jail time for doing it. Reasons is this is how kids steal them and take em to school and a list of many others.

I keep a Zeus G1+ loaded with riot balls next to my bed hope it helps you decide on what to do.

[sadpanda]

I have no Idea where to get those kind of balls, I'm assuming that they are harder than reballs?

As for using a paintball gun for home safety, I have at least 8 pb guns on a rack a foot away from my bed and all are easy to access. But If someone was to bust in my front door I cant imagine I can 1. grab the gun, 2. put on a tank, 3. cock/ turn on, 4. put on a hopper, 5. Load paint, and 6. be coherent enough to even accomplish all those steps and be a threat. Paintball guns take quite a few steps to get ready compared to real guns and in a situation like that every second is priceless.
Your answer may be that you would keep it loaded and gassed up, but thats not much safer than keeping a loaded gun by your side. I guess I am just trying to understand the benefit of a paintball gun for home defense compared to a real gun.

[iliveforthis99]

Life wasters!
now your own US military too, who consider you gun owners terrorists by the way, :laugh: especially during martial law.

Funny considering a lot of the ex military guys i know have no problem with guns and even a few themselves. Us Americans think differently about our guns then you Euros, besides we have rednecks :D.

[killertip212]

Not to mention in the UK its illegal in some parts to own a firearm, granted my international law isnt quite up to date...

What would you rather live with, the 'guilt' of killing someone that broke into your house and the chance that they might harm your wife/children or risk the law suit for aggrivated assault w/ a weapon and lose your life, persay. In the US aggrivated assault = jailtime, no way out of it unless its in self defence which is hard to *legally* prove.

I rather have my house, other posessions, and knowing that the ones i care about (wife as of now) are safe and possibly jail time for my actions. Better to have something to live in rather then nothing.


How is this thread still open?

[loldongs]

What would you rather live with, the 'guilt' of killing someone that broke into your house and the chance that they might harm your wife/children or risk the law suit for aggrivated assault w/ a weapon and lose your life, persay. In the US aggrivated assault = jailtime, no way out of it unless its in self defence which is hard to *legally* prove.
It is basically more a debate but you make a good point a person I know shot his daughter who forgot her cellphone in her and ran out at the dead of night eagerly to give these criminal thugs a what for he takes off his daughter's head with a 45 ACP round. Another instance some guy walked down the stairs to find burglars who then started running he ran up grabbed two pistols and emptied it 2 rounds traveled through a wall into the neighbors' bed room killing his son.
In most cases best way to vend of intruders has been proven to use small pieces of furniture to your advantage but guns and knives are a no-no never keep them loaded or in the open.

[Rocky90]

I've shot people starting fights outside with PAVA riot balls and the work wonders.
In fact some guy in South Africa killed an intruder using a PVC ball he was not charged due to using a less-lethal weapon.
and if a intruder steals your handgun from the side of your bed you will have alot more problems than a stolen paintball gun.
I'm not sure about the laws in america but in africa having a gun in the immediate open is asking for **** and you can look towards jail time for doing it. Reasons is this is how kids steal them and take em to school and a list of many others.

I keep a Zeus G1+ loaded with riot balls next to my bed hope it helps you decide on what to do.

Killed with PAVA balls? That's amazing...I'm even doubting that the hard rubber balls have the ability to kill.

I would buy PAVA's too if they were not so expensive. For that reason I bought 14 cans of pepperspray (family package) for the price of about 15 PAVA balls.

I've seen videos of the powder balls and they seem to be rather soft, no punch and the guy is still able to run frantic and punch you.
I think the police would be better of using hard rubber balls.



I have no Idea where to get those kind of balls, I'm assuming that they are harder than reballs?

As for using a paintball gun for home safety, I have at least 8 pb guns on a rack a foot away from my bed and all are easy to access. But If someone was to bust in my front door I cant imagine I can 1. grab the gun, 2. put on a tank, 3. cock/ turn on, 4. put on a hopper, 5. Load paint, and 6. be coherent enough to even accomplish all those steps and be a threat.1. you'd keep it screwed on half way in.
2. you keep the hopper on it aswell as the rubber rounds.
3. Kick ***.

You don't have to use a big tankK. There are still the mini 88g cartridges for which there is a special device so that it becomes compatible with the gun. It lasts only 20-30 shots but hey, that should be enough against an intruder. You could use the 8 inch barrel that came with your marker. With these two you should be really agile.


I defo don't see the problem there.


Funny considering a lot of the ex military guys i know have no problem with guns and even a few themselves. Us Americans think differently about our guns then you Euros, besides we have rednecks :D.Guns for citizens have their use against military and police who obey illegal orders by corrupt authorities who intend to take away our liberties.

Reportedly there have been military training exercises going on inside the US in cooperation with citizens. Part of that training was martial-law simulation in which they have the unconstitutional order to confiscate guns!
History shows and knows that citizens without guns open all doors for tyranny. When in martial law the military knock on your door asking for your guns and ready to use force if you disobey, you only have two options. 1. Lose your liberty or 2. defend it for your life.
Liberty or death was the devise atleast back when the country was great.
And this is the only true reason every single citizens needs a gun.

[loldongs]

Neh it was a pvc ball it's a bit stronger than a plastic reball

[Rocky90]

Neh it was a pvc ball it's a bit stronger than a plastic reball

So like the hard rubber balls then.

Well I guess I have to call it a less-lethal weapon now rather than a non-lethal one :rolleyes:.

[Kowz_76]

Clearly no one has any idea where to get them. If you want to discuss lethal vs. non-lethal force, take it to OT.