View Full Version : Should Hopper Hits count?
General Lee
03-14-2002, 08:32 AM
Should Hopper hits count as out?
Yes?
No?
weefek
03-14-2002, 09:05 AM
of course they should count. why shouldn't they?
I don't think so, its cheap to get hit in a ballon over the gun. I get hit in the hooper so many times, My body rarely gets hit. This sport is about hitting the oppent, not there marker.
133+ Player
03-16-2002, 06:10 PM
the hopper no. Probably the rest of the gun. Say it was actual combat. Would there be a hopper there? No. But in actuall Combat a hit in the gun would disable you from fight anymore. So you would be out.
NSUCK
03-16-2002, 07:28 PM
but is it actual combat? no. Is it a war simulation? no.
Of course hopper hits should count.. DUH its part of the strategy to lower ur gun profile and not let it be hit.. buy a warp feed if you dont like it
Slayerized
03-16-2002, 07:33 PM
At my field, we play mostly scenario rules games, just short ones. If your hopper gets hit, then you cannot shoot your gun anymore. If you get hit in the arm or leg, you can no longer use that arm, or leg. Body and head hits kill. Most of us carry a pistol, so when we get hit in the hopper, just hand your gun over to a ref, and go for it commando style.
the other one
03-16-2002, 08:01 PM
if i were good with shop and plastics, id like to desighn a new hopper that didn't stick out like a sore thumb. but the hopper hits should count. just because, i dunno.
People say "If your gun gets hit in a real war you don't die", but then again bullets don't bounce off you as they do in paintball so yes hoppers should count.
This is not war, but having hopper hits is crappy because how do you counter it on the field? Hoppers are not realistice so they shouldn't count.
Magnus55
03-16-2002, 11:56 PM
This is a pretty interesting argument. I think I'll move it to General Paintball talk so everyone can debate it. In my personal opinion though, I think hopper hits should count. It prevents people from just blind shooting over the top and sides of the bunker. Some guys I know leave their hopper exposed if they know they're sides losing, just so they can get eliminated without surrendering or actually getting shot anywhere on the body where it hurts. Jeez...:rolleyes:
VeNoM
03-17-2002, 12:32 AM
YES THEY SHOULD
hopper hits are some of the best ways to get eliminations as it is sure to break on the hopper (unless it ricochets :P ) but it would be very annoying to see a break on the hopper than they get to to stay.
plus in many situations, all you see is the gun (very slim since its a front view), the hopper and maybe half the persons face, so the hopper is one of the main targets. they should AND DO count on most fields and all tourneys.
jero000
03-17-2002, 05:53 AM
think aobut it...
where we play if ur hopper is hit, you must manually load ur gun, bullet by bullet... its a pain in the ***... in real life think of it as a clip/magazine... when hit it blows up and you must reinsert a new one or get a new gun. same thing in paintball, if the hopper is hit, then you replace it or get out another one...
this topic really is a opion topic... i prefer yes, but then again i my hopper seems to be a paint magnet :mad:
:pissed:
StealthElephant
03-17-2002, 06:58 AM
Well...when I play in the woods with my friends we normally say that gun/hopper hits don't count. But I think in a tournement situation that hopper hits should count. I mean, if you are keeping a tight profile, your hopper should only go about 1-2 inches over your head, normally the hopper takes the hit instead of the top of your head because that's where it's located.
http://www.paintball.com/pics/articlepictures/Products/Dye/boomstick/keelyboom2.jpg
I normally play with my marker in front of my face to the left, little bit tighter then this guy is playing, but you can see the hopper is only 1-2 inches higher then his head, and if you keep a tight profile then the hopped will take the hit instead of your head, so it really doesn't affect the realism, SOMETHING in that area is gonna get hit, better to have paint on your hopper then a bruise on the top of your head.
StealthElephant
03-17-2002, 07:02 AM
Hehe, oh yea, that's a girl...one of the Femmes Fatales, my bad :)
Richy_C
03-17-2002, 07:20 AM
Well boys, if you didn't realize yet, hopper hits should count, and you don't play war on inflatable fields. Hopper hits should count.
blinkpk11
03-17-2002, 07:53 AM
hopper hits should count, why? because they always have and always will
2k1AngelShooter
03-17-2002, 10:05 AM
Think about it, thats a challenging shot from across field, heck yes hopper hits should count. If your dumb enough to leave your hopper exposed it deserves to be shot.
How about this, design a hopper 2" wide 12" tall, that way it's hecca narrow and impossible to hit from the front? God that would be stupid, but if you keep getting shot in the hopper, you should re-evaulate what you are doing.
I never get shot in the hopper, I always aim for them so I guess it keeps me kind of concious of where mine is.
Sorry for every other word being mis-spelled, I'm tired.
This is not war! Anyway, fine lets say they do count, should you beable to have a cover to increase bounces?
Furious pb
03-17-2002, 05:19 PM
Think of it this way: if hopper hits didn't count, then some jerk would take that loophole and run with it. for example, if that's the rule what's to stop someone from making a HUGE hopper and using it as a shield. There's some brain candy fro ya.
IronAsid
03-17-2002, 05:50 PM
Yes hopper hits should count becouse if people stick there guns out and blind fire i doubt you would be able to hit there barrel.
I just think if your hit your hit anywere is doesn't matter.
kingtime69
03-17-2002, 05:56 PM
Originally posted by 133+ Player
the hopper no. Probably the rest of the gun. Say it was actual combat. Would there be a hopper there? No. But in actuall Combat a hit in the gun would disable you from fight anymore. So you would be out.
you made a great point i didnt look at it that way. i thing i am going to buy a worp feed
Don't refer this to actual combat, that's stupid. If this were actual combat, each shot would also kill you. But guess what? There are no bullets, no real enemies. Don't even compare them, it's not a good fair comparison.
Now why should they or shouldn't they count? There is no uniform decision. It's up to the individual fields to decide. Whatever the rules are, people should abide by.
Personally, I say sure. You are holding a gun with that on top, so it's an extention of your body. You use that hopper to get eliminations, so in turn it can get you eliminated. The double edged sword. If you don't like hopper hits to count, then you should not be using a hopper at all. If you do not like it, there's always Stock Class and 10-shot where there are no hoppers.
DIRTY HARRY
03-18-2002, 03:16 AM
I can't believe when I voted that there were 14 babies who thought hopper hits shouldn't count. Since back in the day we were always told "the gun is an extension of your body" If you don't want to get hit in the hopper there are no rules requiring you to use one. Now stop arguing the point, tards.
Originally posted by DIRTY HARRY
Since back in the day we were always told "the gun is an extension of your body"
Damn I feel old, and I've only been playing for about 6 years!
Who are you guys argueing with? Theres no one left, shooting blind doesn't help you, rules say for bush ball you can't use a portable shield, thats gone.Guys you made your point but Im still going the other way. Leave it at that.
UTLadiesMan
03-18-2002, 11:17 AM
Yes they should count. Otherwise, with a little practice, you could drop off half of your eliminations.
Also, on comparing this to real war... In real war a bullet would go through your clip and kill you. Or if there is no clip on top (like usual) it would just hit you in the face. Of course, it's really a moot point, because they would just shoot your bunker, and either go through the wood, or deflate the ballon. So in short, paintball is not war, and hopper hits should count.
2k1AngelShooter
03-18-2002, 12:04 PM
Originally posted by UTLadiesMan
... Of course, it's really a moot point, because they would just shoot your bunker, and either go through the wood, or deflate the ballon...
Dam* STRAIGHT!!! ROFL, thats to true!
jero000
03-19-2002, 04:35 AM
Originally posted by Furious pb
Think of it this way: if hopper hits didn't count, then some jerk would take that loophole and run with it. for example, if that's the rule what's to stop someone from making a HUGE hopper and using it as a shield. There's some brain candy fro ya.
ROFLMAO!!!
imagen how heavy that would be and how much paint it could hold...
btw u could hit him from the back!
simon woodstock
03-19-2002, 03:48 PM
of course they should count.
i've modeled my form around the fact that they do count, i rarely get shot in the hopper unless i'm playing sloppy.
you should tilt your hopper in, that way it won't get shot.... pretty simple.
i can't really see any reason for it not to count, there's pros and cons to everything, if you want to bring more paint on the field you're gunna be a bigger target, now adapt to it, thats what makes paintball a great game
elTwitcho
03-19-2002, 05:47 PM
Actually, if you tilt your hopper in, your tank, shoulder and elbow sticks out more
2k1AngelShooter
03-19-2002, 06:17 PM
Thats what I thought!
Delutignot
03-19-2002, 07:10 PM
Originally posted by simon woodstock
i can't really see any reason for it not to count, there's pros and cons to everything, if you want to bring more paint on the field you're gunna be a bigger target, now adapt to it, thats what makes paintball a great game
Yep, I agree with that. If you wanna have a 3 billion round hopper, go for it, but it's gonna get hit.... :D
simon woodstock
03-19-2002, 08:46 PM
Originally posted by elTwitcho
Actually, if you tilt your hopper in, your tank, shoulder and elbow sticks out more
exactly, thats where the skill comes in, you've gotta find a balance so you have kind of a "long" sliver of a profile (same area) instead of the whole hopper sticking out or your whole arm sticking out. it's harder to hit a piece of string than a ball of yarn. you also have to consider it will more likely bounce off my fleshy arm with baggy jersey than the hard plastic hopper. but obviously i'm not sticking out to my shoulder to keep my hopper in:rolleyes:.
at first i had lots of hits on my reg and hands, but eventually you can get very small if you invest lots of time on it.
elTwitcho
03-19-2002, 09:03 PM
Ah, I thought you were talking about bringing your hopper completely behind your bunker at first. Dunno man, I got the perfectly perpendicular to the ground gun angle going myself :cool:
2k1AngelShooter
03-20-2002, 07:41 AM
Ya, I'm a big guy and I rarely get hit anymore on the hands, never on the hopper, and such. Very rarely though I still get gogged.
Oh well, sh** happens right?!
anchorite
03-20-2002, 08:55 AM
yes.
133+ Player
03-20-2002, 11:39 AM
well if they r blindfiring they should count
FrOnTMaN
03-20-2002, 01:59 PM
they should and do count. no reason why not. only total noobs that hate getting hit in the hopper and just get frustrated say it shouldnt count. if u dont like hopper hits, then load ball by ball. its give and take. u give urself a big area to get hit, u get another 180 rounds of paint.
coolcockerguy
03-20-2002, 02:13 PM
i can't believe 18 people said it shouldn't... I'm ashamed....
Stasher
03-20-2002, 10:12 PM
I can't believe this is actually a post....
2k1AngelShooter
03-22-2002, 12:42 PM
I know it's kind of stupid...oh well everyone is intitled to their oppion even if its wrong right?
_psycho_
04-02-2002, 04:04 PM
the should depending where ur hopper was cuz if ur hopper was covering a limb or baody or soemthing the pball would have hit u anyways
Ruffneck142000
04-02-2002, 05:45 PM
they should count, i played with some guys who didn't want them to count and i soon found out why. they would blind fire like crazy. i shot one guys hopper five times, he ended up hitting me when i tried to bunker him with 6 balls left.
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