tippmann a5 v. trilogy pro

[Tippmannallday]

I am in a struggle on witch gun i should get. Tippmann a5 or pro trilogy autococker.

[ems]

it all really matters on what style of games you play and how much you got to spend and what you are really looking for in a gun.

[Tippmannallday]

I have had a 98c and it was slow with the response and i have a couple bucks lying around($500)

[CockerKiller520]

personally i would steer clear of the trilogies, i am not a fan of them, and i havent heard too many great things about them. fortunately they have recently started making upgrades for them, but they are few and scarce (not like when autocockers used to really be aroudn and have 150 different kinds of 3-ways and 600 new hammers)
may want to look into BT or something.
if cocker is what you have in mind, i'd go for a nice old style mech. i just did up my psychoballistics lightning with all nice parts and crap (list is too long to put on here and im not that bored) and it came out under $500. and i like it cuz its more personallized. i mean hell, i just bought the parts for a halfblocked nightkast and had a shop assemble it (i dont know enough about electro/halfblock cockers) and it still came out under $500 but i got the parts/body at a bargain

[Tippmannallday]

Thanks ill have to think about it now. Well what if i got a autococker with a couple upgrades would it be worth it, or would i just have to keep upgradding it to my likking, or will it just break.?

[Tippmannallday]

What about a trade? what kind of marker do you think i can get with a trade

[Corrupted355]

A Trilogy isn't a real Autococker. It's a baby Cocker. It has all the right parts, but the 3-way is not adjustable, and neither is the LPR. On a full fledged Cocker, these are used to fine-tune the trigger pull.

What are you looking for? Something to shoot fast or something to be reliable or some blending of the traits?

[Tippmannallday]

blending of traits

[CockerKiller520]

reliability with a full customizable cocker can sometimes come into questioning because pretty much every tiny piece is adjustable and can adjust without warning. ive had LPRs adjust on me so the marker doesnt fully cock back, ive seen 3-ways mysteriously adjust themselves outta wack. but i still would never give up any of my cockers. the old style is amazing. with my mech lightning i got it up to 9bps and it still fired amazingly accurate. and i didnt have a problem with it all day.
cockers are great guns, id recommend them, i just would never recommend a trilogy.
and as far as trading for a tippmann, most people wont go for that, cuz no matter how customized they are, people view them as 'beginner guns' or as dime-a-dozen.
keep the tippmann for a woods gun (they cant break, its physically impossible, god wont let it happen) and then buy a cocker and use that for any games you dont think it can get ruined by dirt, mud, or water

[Tippmannallday]

Ok sounds like an idea, it doesnt matter if i trade my tippmann i have a couple more.I have three woodsball guns so i am fine if i trade one or sell it for money.

[CockerKiller520]

oh ok...then yeah if i were you i'd lean towards selling it to some newb or someone who adore tippy's. but thats me. just a warning though if you go for the old cocker route, pretty much all the decent parts i can find anywhere exist mainly only on ebay. thats where i got all the parts for my past 2 guns from cuz i couldnt find any legit sites that carried them anymore

[Tippmannallday]

Thanks ill have to take that into account. But what cocker should choose if not trilogy pro

[CockerKiller520]

there are plenty out there, pretty much stock theyre mostly all alike (mech wise) just not the lightning. the lightning and superbolt cockers are extremely cheap and pretty much every part should be replaced on them. i'd aim for anything WGP. and be wary of any 'dye' 3-way, LPR or ram, because psychoballistics copied them aesthetically but not functionally. so you'll see a lot of people trying to sell those parts saying they are legit but are not.
i would go for pretty much anything with the WGP name, they will be easier to find parts for and most should be decently modded. they are pretty cheap now that WGP sucks lol (cuz of the trilogies). and if you choose to go e-blade, then look for the one with the E2, that is the newest but will most likely be pretty expensive.
just keep your eyes open, and research the parts/gun with the reviews here on this site. should go pretty easily and you'll educate yourself as you go.

[Tippmannallday]

Thanks for that i really think im going to get one. If you have any sites or friends that have a decent one for cheap i would be happy to take it off there hands

[CockerKiller520]

to give you an idea here are my setups:
=psychoballistics lightning (i chose this cuz i was gonna replace every part anyway and i had sentimental attachment to the first lightning that i had which was stolen)
-hinge trigger
-bomb 3-way (very small trigger pull but requires lots of upkeep to keep from eating o-rings)
-jackhammer II LPR (cheap and pretty decent)
-orracle ram (again, pretty cheap, very smooth)
-Gen-x II reg (got it cheap, and it matched the marker and gen-x's were good and its easily adjustable)
-tungsten hammer (heavier the hammer=less force used to open valve which means more efficiency)
-new backblock (the one i got is custom, i have never seen it again after i bought it, but it has no weight (.3 grams i was told) and that reduces kickback which means more cycling rate and more accuracy)
this marker is shooting very nicely, although i just have to tweak with it to make it a bit more efficient.

=nightkast halfblock (i will try to explain the parts and such but i am still learning about this)
-karnivor parts
--solinoid 3-way (electro)
--eclipse E-blade
--ram w/qevs (the Quick Exhaust Valves expel air from the ram quicker to make it shoot faster)
--LPR (easily adjustable)
--regulator
-special hammer for halfblock
-specialized eclipse valve
....thats about it for the halfblock, its got less parts to explain really but it shoots like a champ. cut a soda can in half yesterday and buried another in the dirt. its pretty sweet. you can probably find either marker on ebay fully done up already for less than 500

[Tippmannallday]

Well i have to split my money int a savings so i only have 200, So will i be able to get much with that amount??

[CockerKiller520]

not quite that much, but you can still get a pretty decent setup. there are some people selling stuff (i havent checked recently) on ebay that will sell a WGP prostock, or something along those lines, with some decent mods such as maybe a couple new front pneumatics and usually a new trigger frame or something along those lines for that amount.

http://cgi.ebay.com/System-X-Mechanical-Autococker-Paintball-Marker-New_W0QQitemZ260528961060QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_Def aultDomain_0?hash=item3ca8bc7624
http://cgi.ebay.com/Dust-Black-Autococker-Prostock-with-Tadao-board_W0QQitemZ300380512720QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_D efaultDomain_0?hash=item45f012e1d0

[Tippmannallday]

Thanks for your helpful incite. But if i got the the trilogy would it be worth paying 130

[CockerKiller520]

depends how important modding is to you. i personally like my guns to be personal to me and i enjoy the modding. from what i understand the trilogies arent bad or anything, but what you see is what you get. you cant upgrade anything. it is like buying a base autococker from like 03 and just leaving it what it is. probably shoot like 8 bps i'd say (if you can get it that fast) so you can just leave it at that if you like.
but to the original point, if you are between the trilogy and A-5, it depends on what you play and how you play. if its woodsball then probably the A-5 would be better than the trilogy, but if youre going to play speedball or pallets, then probably the trilogy cuz it is smaller.

[Tippmannallday]

I play both but really i have an a5 and just want somthing faster for speed, but are any trilogys customizable , b/c im exactly like you i like to make my gum the way i want and i aslo like modding

[CockerKiller520]

i think they just came out with like a new 3way or something. eitherway, theyre not very customizable. with autocockers the front pneu's are very important and control the cycling rate, but you cant adjust that on trilogies.
A-5's are more customizable at this point. trilogies are not really meant to be upgraded, theyre meant to just use out of the box and thats it. the benefit of them is that you never have to worry about timing them. but i dont think that theyre better than a tippmann though. if they were then WGP would still be owning the market. now theyre just merely getting by

[Tippmannallday]

ya i know the a5 is i have 2 and am selling one to get a cocker now from all you have told me, but i still dont know wich cocker i should invest in. I like speed reliability, durable(dont want to have to fix it every box of paint) and like things i can add modds to.

[CockerKiller520]

depends how much you want to mod and how quickly, the lightning i got needs to be re-timed every day of play pretty much. it works amazingly now, but it takes time to upgrade it. see if you can find just a stock 03 prostock and go from there....just a stock cocker should do as long as its not psychoballistics, then out of the box it wont work lol

[Tippmannallday]

Ok thanks. Ill be checking into that.

[Tippmannallday]

What about a tatical cocker

[CockerKiller520]

i think thats still a trilogy. trilogies are all the same when it comes to upgradability and pretty much performance. you can get the nice electro trilogy parts but when its the end of the day its still a trilogy

[Tippmannallday]

would an 04 prostock do??

[Tippmannallday]

I am wanting an elctro gun to trade w/ my a5

[Corrupted355]

I am wanting an elctro gun to trade w/ my a5
That's where I can help. How much do you want to spend, do you already have HPA, how big are you physically, and do you know if you prefer poppet or spool?

BTW, in case you're unaware, there are two kinds of electros: poppet valves and spool valves. Your Tippmann is a poppet valve because there is a striker of some kind that hits a valve, causing it to open. The bolt has nothing to do with the valve opening or closing. In a spool, the valve and the bolt are basically the same thing, so when the bolt moves far enough forward, a chamber is revealed and the air is released.

In general, spool valves are less efficient, but they have a softer shot (read: less kick) and are quieter. Poppet valves are usually more efficient, but are generally louder and kick a little more. Poppets also usually have the potential to fire much faster, but that's largely irrelevant. Keep in mind: these are generalizations, but they are true for the majority of situations.

[Tippmannallday]

Well im wanting to trade my a5 for one and i am 5' 8" and am very athletic(what this have to do with any thing.) and sounds to me like i would rather have a poppet valve

[Corrupted355]

The key is going to be either finding a marker that will run on CO2, or finding something in the budget cheap enough to be able to afford a HPA tank as well.

If you don't want to go the HPA route, you're severely limiting yourself. You're prettymuch stuck with the Smart Parts Vibe, which is the only full-on electro that I'm aware of that claims to be usable with CO2. You'll damage the solenoid in virtually any other electro out there with CO2. Now, there's nothing wrong with a Vibe, as long as you get one with a Blackheart board. It's a good solid marker that will do you a great job.

If you want to be able to go the HPA route, you're probably gonna want to look at the used market. Something like this Dangerous Power Fusion would be right up your alley:
http://www.mcarterbrown.com/forums/electronic/102154-dp-fusion-140-obo-trade-mech-cockers-wanted.html
DP is one of my favorite manufacturers, and that one happens to be a poppet valve. But I recommend you browse the "electric" BSTs and look for anything in your price range. If you come across something, either do some research on the marker or ask somebody (like me; I'd be glad to provide input) about it.

[Tippmannallday]

well thanks i really wanted an ion though, but dont really have money so im looking for a trade. and also i do have hpa

[Corrupted355]

You don't want an Ion. Smart Parts has discontinued that marker because it it no longer competitive with today's market. They have since releases the Vibe, which is a much, much nicer marker, but it's still in the same price range as the Ion was. If you were looking at the Ion, the Vibe is the marker you actually want.

[CockerKiller520]

my friend got the epiphany from SP (i think that was discontinued as well and thats why he got it for so cheap) and i must say, im not much of a fan. i mean when it was working it was amazing! that thing would shoot ropes, came with a freak back and it was always accurate.
but when we first played he had to change out shims in the marker's powertube cuz it wasnt working right (i dont know, i didnt quite understand it lol). then just a few days ago when we went to compare his speed vs mine (his epiphany vs my halfblock) the thing wouldnt even work. wound up being that it ate up his battery by just sitting, but its one of those things wehre you dont ever see it work, you just see it fail to work.
but thats why i stick with only things i know and can work on (with the exception of the halfblock, still learning on that lol)

[Tippmannallday]

Well then i need someone who would want to trade me for a tippmann a5 w/ a RT. The vibe sounds nice can i still upgrade it ??

[Corrupted355]

my friend got the epiphany from SP (i think that was discontinued as well and thats why he got it for so cheap) and i must say, im not much of a fan. i mean when it was working it was amazing! that thing would shoot ropes, came with a freak back and it was always accurate.
but when we first played he had to change out shims in the marker's powertube cuz it wasnt working right (i dont know, i didnt quite understand it lol). then just a few days ago when we went to compare his speed vs mine (his epiphany vs my halfblock) the thing wouldnt even work. wound up being that it ate up his battery by just sitting, but its one of those things wehre you dont ever see it work, you just see it fail to work.
but thats why i stick with only things i know and can work on (with the exception of the halfblock, still learning on that lol)
I owned an Epi for about fifteen minutes a few years ago. It's a completely forgettable marker (I had, actually, until you mentioned it). I got it in trade for one marker at a tournament, then traded it for another after I played the first game with it.

Well then i need someone who would want to trade me for a tippmann a5 w/ a RT. The vibe sounds nice can i still upgrade it ??
The Vibe is indeed nice. You can upgrade it, but there really isn't much need. The bolt design is actually very similar to the DM9 bolt, which is a phenomenal marker. The stock board kinda sucks, and the trigger could use some finesse, and the barrel is very fence-pipe like, but the marker itself is solid. With a barrel, a Blackheart or Virtue board, and a little trigger fiddling, it'll be a great piece.

BTW, if you're looking for tactical, the Smart Parts SP1 is basically a Vibe with rails. All the internals are identical; only the body changes.

[Tippmannallday]

Thanks, would you any one who who be wanting to trade??

[Corrupted355]

Not likely for what you've got. You're gonna be better off selling something and using the money to buy a marker outright. The best you may be able to do is trade your A-5 plus cash. You're probably going to get a better price if you part out your A-5 rather than sell the whole thing, but you might be able to do like Cockerkiller mentioned earlier and get some Tippmann fanboy to buy it for a nice price. I'd try A5OG.net and see what they're getting for setups similar to yours.

[Tippmannallday]

Well thanks ill have to check up on that

[Tippmannallday]

and what price range would i be looking at for a vibe?

[Corrupted355]

Expect a stock Vibe to run you about $150 brand new, and a Vibe Blackheart to run about $225 brand new. You save about $25 if you buy the Blackheart board already in the marker. Both ANS Gear and Action Village should be able to match those prices.

[Tippmannallday]

thanks , but now i need to sell my gun so i can get one

[Corrupted355]

Unfortunately, that is the way of things. If you want something better than what you've got, no one is gonna want to trade what you want for what you've got. So in order to get what you want, you've got to sell what you've got to get the money for what you want. Got it?

Heh... whiskey makes everything more fun.

[Tippmannallday]

I see

[Graythman]

Thanks for the comments excellent comparison between these 2 markers. i was thinking of getting the Tippmann a5 thanks

[ems]

nice posting while drinking...i love it....