Which E-Grip?

[Graybass_20x6]

A search of the ultimate stickies led to no avail, so I'll pose the question here.

I'm currently contemplating purchasing an E-Grip for my A-5. While it does currently have a Response Trigger currently equipped, it leaves a lot to be desired. So, I began my perusal of the E-Grip at my local shop, and here's where the question arises.

My local shop currently has both the old and new incarnations of the E-Grip. From my understanding and with help from the shop owner, I learned the pros and cons of each:

Old E-Grip (http://www.pbreview.com/products/reviews/1457/) - $100

Pros:
-30 BPS
-Not as noticeable (not really a concern)

Cons:
-Programming is a pain.
-Changing the battery is a pain.

New E-Grip (http://www.pbreview.com/products/reviews/6233/) - $130

Pros:
-Select fire switch
-20 BPS
-Battery compartment

Cons:
-Obvious that it's an E-Grip (again, not really a concern)
-20 BPS (not really a con, only in comparison)

I'm leaning more towards the new E-Grip, though the only thing keeping me at bay for the moment is the price. I can pick up the old E-Grip for $100, and the new one for $130. I've never actually seen anything over 20 BPS outside of a Youtube video, so any increase in BPS is a plus. With any case, a double trigger will be installed.

In finishing, which should I choose?

A) Get the new E-Grip.
B) Go for the old E-Grip.
C) E-Grip? Stick with the Response Trigger.

[Corrupted355]

Either way, I recommend an APE board. They're WAY better. Tippmannpros.com used to sell E-grips with APE boards already installed, but it's been a long time, so I don't know if they still do.

[Graybass_20x6]

Either way, I recommend an APE board. They're WAY better. Tippmannpros.com used to sell E-grips with APE boards already installed, but it's been a long time, so I don't know if they still do.

A quick search affirms that in the negative.

However, I did find one caveat: It turns out I'd only be able to install the double trigger I currently own into the old E-Grip. It turns out the new E-Grip uses a longer trigger assembly. Purchasing the older E-Grip with the idea to install a APE board later looks feasible.

[bvdave]

dont wait too long to get the ape board, I wouldnt be supprised if they dont make em much longer since the old egrips are no longer made. Im sure they will sell them for a while to service existing egrips but eventually thats likely to stop in favour of the new boards

[tonycon]

personally i would take the old grip with the APE board. on the other hand the he grip with an APE board is even better! you can program any firing mode for either of the two switch positions and for that matter when the selector switch is in the safety position, the board shuts off= exeptional battery life.

[Graybass_20x6]

I really appreciate all your input. I definitely have some food for thought.

I do have another question, though.

I'm curious as to how you uninstall a Response Trigger. I realize I'm replacing the grip and removing the piston and hose. My question is: What goes where the hose connects here?

http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g7/punkbass_20x6/0208000236.jpg

I perused my Tippmann manual, but I couldn't find what part goes there. I purchased this gun as-is, so I don't have any stock pre-Response parts. Is there anything that goes there, such as a different banjo fitting? Or does the screw just go back there?

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

[Corrupted355]

Yes, there is another banjo fitting that goes in that location when the R/T isn't in use. The banjo you're showing is a 3-way (one in, two out). You want a simple 90* banjo. Tippmannparts.com will have what you're looking for.

[Graybass_20x6]

Yes, there is another banjo fitting that goes in that location when the R/T isn't in use. The banjo you're showing is a 3-way (one in, two out). You want a simple 90* banjo. Tippmannparts.com will have what you're looking for.

I understand what you mean, though I don't see the banjo fitting on my gun as a 3-way.

Would a 3-way appear as a T-fitting? If so, I can only recognize one in, and one out (An L shape, if anything). Unless it's internal, I'm at a loss again.

Grayedit: I'm checking out the installation manual on Tippmannparts, but I've yet to understand which stock part gets replaced. I really need to see a stock A-5 to probably understand. Apologies for needing my hand held in this. I should probably just take it to my local shop.

Grayedit 2: While looking through other pictures of A-5s, I find that there are differences (obviously) between my A-5 and others. I'm beginning to believe mine was purpose-built as an A-5 Response.

http://img384.imageshack.us/img384/4526/dsc01660editedmg4.jpg

This is an A-5 which was converted to have a response trigger. I see what I believe to be a 3-way fitting. Mine has two screws, where these versions that I see here have only one.

I have seen pictures of A-5s much like mine, with 2 screws and no response trigger. For the life of me, I cannot figure out what takes up one of those holes where the response fitting in mine sits. In most of these pictures, the gas feed to the Cyclone piston sits in the bottom screw, while the top is blocked or replaced by something. I cannot figure out what that something is.

[Corrupted355]

A T-fitting is indeed a 3-way. The input is through the threads (from inside the marker), and the two barbs are the outputs.

If you have 1/16" lines, you need this one:
http://www.tippmannparts.com/20-07-Swivel-Elbow-Banjo-1-16-Inch-A-5-Response-Tr-p/gp2809.htm

If you have 1/8" lines, you need this one:
http://www.tippmannparts.com/20-20-Swivel-Elbow-Banjo-Fitting-1-8-Inch-A-5-Resp-p/gp3693.htm

You screw the one end into the marker, then plug the hose that goes to the Cyclone in the other end. Then you remove the rest of the R/T stuff and replace the flow connector bolt and connector nut fitting with a normal bolt and nut. (Or in plain English: replace this (http://www.tippmannparts.com/TA01083-Flow-Connector-Bolt-A-5-Response-Trigger-S-p/gp5123.htm) and this (http://www.tippmannparts.com/02-85-Connector-Nut-Fitting-A-5-Response-Trigger-S-p/gp3707.htm) with this (http://www.tippmannparts.com/98-01A-Receiver-Bolt-Short-A-5-p/gp2696.htm) and this (http://www.tippmannparts.com/9-PA-10-32-Hex-Nut-A-5-p/gp2396.htm)).

[Graybass_20x6]

A T-fitting is indeed a 3-way. The input is through the threads (from inside the marker), and the two barbs are the outputs.

If you have 1/16" lines, you need this one:
http://www.tippmannparts.com/20-07-Swivel-Elbow-Banjo-1-16-Inch-A-5-Response-Tr-p/gp2809.htm

If you have 1/8" lines, you need this one:
http://www.tippmannparts.com/20-20-Swivel-Elbow-Banjo-Fitting-1-8-Inch-A-5-Resp-p/gp3693.htm

You screw the one end into the marker, then plug the hose that goes to the Cyclone in the other end. Then you remove the rest of the R/T stuff and replace the flow connector bolt and connector nut fitting with a normal bolt and nut. (Or in plain English: replace this (http://www.tippmannparts.com/TA01083-Flow-Connector-Bolt-A-5-Response-Trigger-S-p/gp5123.htm) and this (http://www.tippmannparts.com/02-85-Connector-Nut-Fitting-A-5-Response-Trigger-S-p/gp3707.htm) with this (http://www.tippmannparts.com/98-01A-Receiver-Bolt-Short-A-5-p/gp2696.htm) and this (http://www.tippmannparts.com/9-PA-10-32-Hex-Nut-A-5-p/gp2396.htm)).

The help is definitely appreciated. Again, I apologize for the handholding, but this helps tons.

[Corrupted355]

No problem. Everyone's gotta learn somehow.

[beaver_fever]

You could always do what I did...
Some fields I play at will not allow egrips in any mode other than semi-auto, but will allow you to run a response trigger. I have an old style, not HE, egrip with the APE Rampage board. I bought a used RT and installed it on my marker and in a spare stock grip. Now I can run whichever I want or am allowed to. The only modifcation needed is on the egrip frame itself. Where the RT fitting goes into the rear of the marker there is a metal coupler inside that directs air to the piston in the grip. The egrip will not fit to the marker because of this piece. All you have to do is drill a hole big enough in your egrip to allow the coupler to slide into and the grip will fit perfectly. NOTE: It's always good to screw the adjustment screw on the RT all the way shut when you put the egrip on to eliminate air going into the grip. Not sure if it would hurt the egrip or not, just a precaution.

[Corrupted355]

You could always do what I did...
Some fields I play at will not allow egrips in any mode other than semi-auto, but will allow you to run a response trigger. I have an old style, not HE, egrip with the APE Rampage board. I bought a used RT and installed it on my marker and in a spare stock grip. Now I can run whichever I want or am allowed to. The only modifcation needed is on the egrip frame itself. Where the RT fitting goes into the rear of the marker there is a metal coupler inside that directs air to the piston in the grip. The egrip will not fit to the marker because of this piece. All you have to do is drill a hole big enough in your egrip to allow the coupler to slide into and the grip will fit perfectly. NOTE: It's always good to screw the adjustment screw on the RT all the way shut when you put the egrip on to eliminate air going into the grip. Not sure if it would hurt the egrip or not, just a precaution.
Hmm... I wonder where you got that idea from...?

Here's where you'd need to cut your E-grip.





http://img262.imageshack.us/img262/5686/sidebc0.jpg



http://img262.imageshack.us/img262/9061/bothfu8.jpg

[beaver_fever]

Hmmm, I wonder? Hey thanks for remebering me. The idea of having both trigger setups is golden. Plus, it's fun to be at a field ripping it up with the rampage and have someone see the rt hose and say, "How do you get your rt to fire like that?" or "That rt rocks, can you adjust mine for me?" I always say "No, but there is a guy on pbreview that goes by Corrupted355 that can tell you how."

[Corrupted355]

Hey, send 'em over. I love making fun of people who think they know what they're talking about.

[beaver_fever]

I bet it gives you great pleasure knowing that in most of my posts there will be the inevitable, stupid question lurking within the next few lines. I also bet that it gives you great satisfaction when you lend your advice to those of us "who think they know what their talking about", advice which I must say is spot on. Kudos.

[Corrupted355]

There's a difference here. If you don't know what's going on and you pretend like you do, I'm gonna screw with you. I have to, it's the law. But if you don't know and you want help to understand, then I'll gladly try to help. There are no stupid questions as long as you actually want the answer. There are, however, some very stupid people. But I'm glad to say that none of those people have posted in this thread... yet.

[hummerking]

what if i wanted to run my r/t and egrip at the same time? can you find me the link for the 6 way flux capacitor fitting id need?

[Corrupted355]

It won't work. The constraints of only having four dimensions to work with just don't allow both systems to exist within the same grip frame. I'd need at least two more static non-Euclidean dimensions to develop the flat/hollow space technology that would be required. And good luck finding even one of those on a budget, much less two of them.

[Govinda_T]

You could always do what I did...
Some fields I play at will not allow egrips in any mode other than semi-auto, but will allow you to run a response trigger. I have an old style, not HE, egrip with the APE Rampage board. I bought a used RT and installed it on my marker and in a spare stock grip. Now I can run whichever I want or am allowed to. The only modifcation needed is on the egrip frame itself. Where the RT fitting goes into the rear of the marker there is a metal coupler inside that directs air to the piston in the grip. The egrip will not fit to the marker because of this piece. All you have to do is drill a hole big enough in your egrip to allow the coupler to slide into and the grip will fit perfectly. NOTE: It's always good to screw the adjustment screw on the RT all the way shut when you put the egrip on to eliminate air going into the grip. Not sure if it would hurt the egrip or not, just a precaution.

Haha... I've done the exact same thing on 2/3 of my A-5's. The third will be a dedicated R/T backup though.

[Coenen]

what if i wanted to run my r/t and egrip at the same time? can you find me the link for the 6 way flux capacitor fitting id need?Get out of here old man. Damn ancient members coming in here and trying to be cute. Derned whippersnappers, crackin', frackin' young 'uns.

[Graybass_20x6]

When you shoot that gun over 300 FPS, you're gonna see some serious ****.

[Coenen]

According to hummerking's post it sounds like if I chrono my gun for exactly 129.06666667 feet/second the balls will travel back to 1985 and hit you then.

Anyway I can recalibrate my marker to shoot to a different year? Most of the guys I play with weren't around yet in '85.

[Graybass_20x6]

I think if you chrono your gun to that specific FPS, you'll be lucky to get it to shoot as far as 25 feet without lobbing.

Unless you're talking about a different kind of chrono, then I'd only shoot one ball at a time into the past. I think being hit more than twice in '85 counted as bonus balling.

[Corrupted355]

According to hummerking's post it sounds like if I chrono my gun for exactly 129.06666667 feet/second the balls will travel back to 1985 and hit you then.

Anyway I can recalibrate my marker to shoot to a different year? Most of the guys I play with weren't around yet in '85.
There is a theorem that states that if time travel were possible, you could only go back in time to as early as when the time machine was first operational. So even if you made the machine tomorrow, you could only go back in time to tomorrow. Or to whenever tomorrow will be when it gets here. I think.

[Coenen]

Recent research also suggests that if you were able to travel back in time your actions would have no effect on what you perceive as the present. As such the entire concept of the "time travel paradox" is totally false.

[Corrupted355]

However, if your goal is only to shoot Hummerking when he's young and defenseless for no other reason than your personal enjoyment, then it's totally worth it. According to your theoretical research, any malignant results of this action would occur in an alternate timeline, and who cares about them anyway?

[Graybass_20x6]

What are you gonna do, bunker someone in the womb?

[hummerking]

bwahahaha i wouldnt have been born yet, early by a year :laugh:

[Corrupted355]

Wow. I'm older than the old man. Now I feel decrepit.

[hummerking]

age has no correlation to wisdom :D

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v738/hummerking/roadsign7ro.jpg

[Corrupted355]

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[THE TITAN]

I didn't read everyone's post, but just keep the response trigger, bro. Its more rugged, and durable. Won't shut off if you get your gun wet, won't run out of batteries, and the only way it will ever go down is if you run out of air.

The Egrip sucks ***. I have it on my 98, and it does its job, but the fire modes are a joke. it also sucks to have to break out an alan key to switch em.

Only gun that really needs an Egrip, is the phenom. thats my opinion, please don't flame me. I see you have an A5, which does have a better interface for and Egrip, so IDK. I'm pretty sure you can get the same rate of fire out of a response with the sweat spot.

[hummerking]

dude i have a monocle, top-hat and real pipe! if i could find the first two id take a pic :D

[Corrupted355]

dude i have a monocle, top-hat and real pipe! if i could find the first two id take a pic :D
You were dropped on your head a lot as a kid, weren't you?

[hummerking]

nah, played alot of football and got in lots of fights. blows to the head were mostly self-inflicted.