View Full Version : Its all about accuracy
Emmanuel
05-15-2010, 10:53 AM
Hi fellas, Im wondering which gun is more accurate, BT vs Tippmann, 2 groups:
BT Delta elite VS A5
BT Omega VS Alpha black
I separated this guns based on price.
Pros and cons of all of them. What do you think?
AmbushOrigin
05-15-2010, 12:33 PM
Well I'll start with a few pro's.
BT offers a lifetime warranty and free replacement now that KEE is the distributor of BT products. BT markers are made of aluminum as where tippmanns are generally composite, or thin pot metal shells with composite parts.
BT also were first to offer built in rails on their markers, now tippmann after a few years have finally started making their guns with rails built into the tops of the recievers.
Now onto what your actually looking for, the accuracy comparisons. Both the delta and Omega come with better stock barrels then the A5 or Alpha. However the accuracy is also going to be affected by paint and consistancy. Low end markers generally are not very consistant, but for their use its good enough.
Corrupted355
05-15-2010, 08:57 PM
Regarding accuracy, they all use the same valve system. As a result, assuming they have the same upgrades, they're all gonna be prettymuch the same.
Graybass_20x6
05-17-2010, 06:10 PM
You'll have to remember, there's only so much you can do to make a sphere travel "accurately". That's why actual guns don't fire musket balls anymore.
A barrel helps only so much by matching it to the paint size, and that also varies on quality of paint. Consistency of air output per shot also alters our perception of "accuracy". Bolts themselves don't do as much as purported.
Corrupted mentions valve systems. I believe these guns operate as in-line open-bolt blowbacks, made popular by Tippmann in many of their incarnations. How they deliver the air to the bolt to launch the paintball is a very common theory behind accuracy. This is why other variations (closed-bolt pumps and Autocockers, spool-valve DMs, electro-pneumatic Egos) are considered more "accurate" because of how they deliver air to shoot the ball. This is also why they are more expensive.
I've never had the pleasure of holding anything other than a STBB or a Tippmann. I'm just putting forward what I've learned.
Corrupted355
05-17-2010, 07:50 PM
The only reason one valve system will be more accurate than any other depends entirely on the air delivery. A valve that delivers the same amount of air at the same pressure and flow every time is going to be more accurate than a valve that varies from shot to shot.
When most people think "accurate", they actually mean "precise". If you shoot precisely, then you hit your target. If you shoot accurately, you fir a group of shots that land very close to each other. Therefore, you can shoot accurately without being precise.
What we look for in paintball is accuracy, not precision. You want all your paint to land in the same spot. The best way to do this is to minimize the number of variables. You want to eliminate variations in the air charge that hits the paintball to propel it, as well as the amount of that charge that escapes around the paintball while it's still in the barrel. This is why consistent valving and paint-to-bore matching is important. This will produce consistent velocities, which means means accurate shooting.
Curly Fry
05-18-2010, 03:33 PM
The only reason one valve system will be more accurate than any other depends entirely on the air delivery. A valve that delivers the same amount of air at the same pressure and flow every time is going to be more accurate than a valve that varies from shot to shot.
When most people think "accurate", they actually mean "precise". If you shoot precisely, then you hit your target. If you shoot accurately, you fir a group of shots that land very close to each other. Therefore, you can shoot accurately without being precise.
What we look for in paintball is accuracy, not precision. You want all your paint to land in the same spot. The best way to do this is to minimize the number of variables. You want to eliminate variations in the air charge that hits the paintball to propel it, as well as the amount of that charge that escapes around the paintball while it's still in the barrel. This is why consistent valving and paint-to-bore matching is important. This will produce consistent velocities, which means means accurate shooting.
Just sayin...
by a speed ball gun for accuracy... tippmanns are ment to go to where paintball gets dirty... and the nice guns can't stand the beatings...
Orpackrat
05-19-2010, 04:06 PM
Buy a Barrel Kit, good paintballs, and Co2 with a palmers stabilizer or HPA and you will get the best accuracy with them all matched together.
Corrupted355
05-19-2010, 04:35 PM
by a speed ball gun for accuracy... tippmanns are ment to go to where paintball gets dirty... and the nice guns can't stand the beatings...
Actually, I think my Dangerous Power G3 is probably more durable and reliable than any Tippmann I ever had. I took a dive down a hill last Sunday, and it filled everything with sand. The marker still fired without a hiccup. That volume of sand would be dangerously close to jamming up a spring-driven Tippy.
CoolGuyKills
05-20-2010, 08:31 AM
hey do u guys know if the SP Ion Redz is a good gun as far as accuracy goes?
Corrupted355
05-20-2010, 09:42 AM
No moreso than most, especially out of the box. The problem with Ions is that in order to get a decent shooting marker, you've got to replace most of it with aftermarket parts. So by the time you have a marker worth owning, you've spent more that you would have if you'd just bought a better marker to begin with.
AmbushOrigin
05-20-2010, 12:26 PM
No moreso than most, especially out of the box. The problem with Ions is that in order to get a decent shooting marker, you've got to replace most of it with aftermarket parts. So by the time you have a marker worth owning, you've spent more that you would have if you'd just bought a better marker to begin with.
as can be said with any low end and most mid end markers :P the are designed to be cost effective. Thats what seperates it from the highends. Most highends come with all bells and whistles just so they dont need money put into them. However some companies will make aftermarket parts just for the people that want their own custom uniqueness to their marker.
Corrupted355
05-20-2010, 02:12 PM
That's true for the most part. Unfortunately, it seems like the Ion sorta started that trend.
AmbushOrigin
05-20-2010, 03:30 PM
the ion was designed to be able to compete while not breaking the bank,honestly only thing I had to do when first using it was put a new barrel on it. Which back then when it came out I was running the pimp so already had barrels to give my teammates for their ions. However it was also designed to allow players to customize it to their preference. Stock though its good enough for players that dont need things that are specific and still has performance for a low price. If i started playing when it came out, I woulda took one over the spyder or tippmann
Graybass_20x6
05-20-2010, 03:55 PM
Actually, I think my Dangerous Power G3 is probably more durable and reliable than any Tippmann I ever had. I took a dive down a hill last Sunday, and it filled everything with sand. The marker still fired without a hiccup. That volume of sand would be dangerously close to jamming up a spring-driven Tippy.
Just to kinda build on this point...
When players ask "Why would you use a 'speedball' gun in woodsball?" I always answer, "Because high-end guns are extremely purpose-built for our sport."
Sure, they're full of electronics and aren't made for the less-knowledgeable rec player, but high-end markers were built to withstand the rigors of what we sometimes note as one of the toughest forms of paintball: speedball.
I know I'm probably preaching to the choir, but I felt like this had to be said.
Actually, I think my Dangerous Power G3 is probably more durable and reliable than any Tippmann I ever had. I took a dive down a hill last Sunday, and it filled everything with sand. The marker still fired without a hiccup. That volume of sand would be dangerously close to jamming up a spring-driven Tippy.
I ran into a tree, (longish story, I'll tell it when I get old and ramble)and my tippmann still was fireing great and it was covered with moisture and dirt and firing the best groups it could ever shoot....
the high end guns come with better paint jobs, and aren't around for years on end with out being changed cause of the newest technology, but what separates high end users form the scrapers...
A purple ghillie suit and a B.E stingray, shooting newbs that went out and bought ego's and talking trash to the big guy that has had 6 years of experiences( that will make any one cautious on the field) and pointing out the kill zones... ( this took place last week)( they left a little troubled in the head)...
Ironman289
05-20-2010, 06:28 PM
I used to hate "speedball" guns. The reason was because I always had to wait for the players that owned them to fix them between matches. I cant think of one game I played in the first few years that wasnt plagued by this problem. I have learned that it was never the guns fault but rather inexperienced players that didnt know what the heck they were doing. Now I have more than a dozen "speedball" guns and I like them alot, they are more compact and quieter than any tippy (new x-7 excluded) and with an experienced player they always work, but my tippy will always be there for me when I need it.
speedball guns are the "crap" cause they are equiped with the newest and brightest technology that makes them "better" than an average woods ball cause the woods ball gun has a very basic idea... it just has to launch a ball from point A ( the gun) to point B (the target)...
but speedball guns are where every little thing counts not only getting a ball to a target but, how many you can get there in a second, the accuracy of a shot,and how effincent they can make a marker, and make the gun a peice of art work...
Ironman289
05-22-2010, 11:34 AM
The guns I was talking about were all mech with just standard equipment. Not much for bells and whistles. EMS how long have you been playing? Your 15-16 now right? I think alot of my guns are that old. Not much for electro-gizmos when I started buying guns. I paid more money for my Tippys then I did for my cockers. My Trilogy sf tactical only cost me 100 so at least the bells and whistles are getting cheaper!
your right on the age....
where i am at you can't get a decent price on anything...
last week i was helping my friend look for barrels we found a flatline ( the new one) for 140$
then we looked it up on his iphone ( how did me and him find service I will not know) and It should have been like 80$
also I got about 4-5 years of playing under my belt, a life time of firearms...
and have been recently out shot by one of them BE nightmares, and a samurai which i hear them were a pretty high end gun back in the day...
but there are some instances when i do find good deals mostly craigslist and get the good stuff like my cyborg, pec master, and titian...
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