Prove Me Wrong

[_Law]

I was scanning through the review section, and I noticed that many Stingray reviews boast outrageous claims that couldn't possibly come form a person who has actually tried to play with the gun. I myself being a Stingray owner, I thought I would open this thread to ask everyone who has experience with the 'Ray what their problem, if any, is with it. I admit, straight off the Wal-Mart shelf, it might not be accurate or gas efficient, but remember that all it comes with is a quick change adapter and a real short barrel. But, through my experience, once you have a bottomline, trigger job, polished interior, expansion chamber, Remora adapter, Lapco Bigshot, and pretty much any kind of sight invested in your 'Ray, it will be a formidable gun on a local field, and does not deserve all the hatred it seems to inspire.

So please, prove me wrong.

[ToiletSiphon]

Yeah, but this gun is too expensive. For the same price, u can get a spyder compact 2000... and put the same upgrades on both guns, the spyder is better

[Phaelon Veritas]

Well i will admit they are not bad guns they do hold up extremely well even with abuse and neglect however I haven't seen a stingray yet that could compete with a tricked spyder or pirahna meaning they really couldn't hang with a mag autococker or any tourny gun so I guess if you are lookin for props yeah the gun is not bad for what it costs so long as you have no real plans for the gun

[ElectricHead]

I agree, my friend has a stock stingray, and in a game against a stock compact and piranha it didnt do half bad, but that is no room to call it a great gun, for a newbie its fine, but like toilet said, might as well go with the compact

[Richy_C]

And respect is a much longer road to travel W/be stuff, compacts with a bigshot/execels and some trigger work would greatly outpreform a ray

[ElectricHead]

well duh, they are way better than a ray from the start, it has to do with the player

[PB ninja]

The Stingray is a great beginner gun, I remember thinking it was hot **** after starting out with a pump. But when you start pumping money into it for a barrel, expansion chamber etc. your trying to make it something more then just a beginner gun and the Stingray just can't keep up.

[ElectricHead]

can you even put an x chamber on a stingray?

[PB ninja]

Law says you can:
Originally posted by _Law
...through my experience, once you have a bottomline, trigger job, polished interior, expansion chamber, Remora adapter, Lapco Bigshot, and pretty much any kind of sight invested in your 'Ray, it will be a formidable gun on a local field... I personaly have no idea.

[PsycHo AbE]

Peoples problem with Rays is generally due to lack of experience. Many peoples first gun was a brass eagle brand. One they didnt know how to care for properly, so when something went wrong, it was automatically the marker. As they get more expereinced and learn more and more about the sport, the purchase a higher level marker(or what is considered to them to be one) and usually see it as much better. They take care of it better because they have more experience and blame poor manufacturing on a company that doesnt necessarily deserve it.

No gun is 100% perfect, there will always be duds in productions made, all of them need to be maintained and cared for properly. Lack of this knowledge is reason why BE usually gets many bad reviews.

[Richy_C]

No, even my friend has a regular spyder got a ray for backup and it sucks bbbaaaddddd

[elTwitcho]

I dont mind rays, but i myself would never buy anything from the brass eagle line (except a revolution, god damn them and their monopoly over motorized hoppers). The fact is that Brass Eagle has terrible customer support, and their manufacturing standards are pretty low. You can take a pre Brass Eagle revy and compare it with a new one and you'll see the difference in quality right away. it's a shame they bought Viewloader, but that's a whole different story. As for flaming someone with a brass eagle product... it's his gun and he can deal with whatever problems he has with it. I dont see why I'd downplay him because he has to deal with a problematic marker, I've seen people using Raptor's play extremely well, and there's no reason to judge someone until you've seen em play.

[Paintball Monkey]

Originally posted by elTwitcho
I dont mind rays, but i myself would never buy anything from the brass eagle line (except a revolution, god damn them and their monopoly over motorized hoppers).

Actually there is a European company that makes a motorized hopper.

[_Law]

It is possible to put an x-chamber on a ray, and here's a picture from http://www.stinggroup.addr.com/frameindex.html:
http://www.pbreview.com/fpics/_Law011001184638Ray with xchamber.jpg

[MuckRaker]

I don't know who owns that marker, but it looks like he's ready for some serious bear hunting!!

[elTwitcho]

Really? any link to a site that shows em, or a review or anything? I've never seen one and this is the first I;ve heard, but it sounds interesting.

[Sid]

The stingray can become a real cool gun.. but it is a little out dated.

Other guns for the same or a little more come with a bottomline, the stingray does not.

On the other hand, the are thousands of stingrays around, one could buy one very cheaply and just put some work into it. Moding the gun yourself does require work, but there are many around who find pleasure out of doing their own mods, ie mechanically inclined people. Sure some players got an Angel as their first gun, therefore a Stingray would seem foolish to rate highly. But those players that have had a Stingray as one of their first guns, and have taken the time to refine it, have gained something I beleive is worth the cost: experience.

Here's my bottomline. If you don't like messing with things, do not like doing things yourself, or just want a perfect gun out of the box, do not buy the brass eagle stingray. If on the other hand you like to see what you can turn a so called "crappy gun" into. Buy this gun and experiment.

[_Law]

My point exactly, theFlash, I guess I should have said that in the first place.

By the way, elTwitcho, the link to the Stingray owner's group, S.T.I.N.G. is in the post w/ the picture. It's a great site, and there's some amazing pics in the gallery. There was this one guy who radically modified the gun to look like some sort of futuristic weapon, and another who built a new casing out of aluminum. Just posting this here to give you access to a whole new group of people with a different point of view than that we are accustomed to.

[elTwitcho]

Actually, the thing I kinda like about the stingray is it's cheapness. Dont take that the wrong way, what I mean is that the individual components are inexpensive and that's a good thing. You can take a mill to your gun wondering if "Maybe this'll work, maybe not" and be able to replace whatever parts you damage fairly cheaply. Alot of the stingray modifications I've seen are all done in the owners garage, which sorta gives it an individuality that other guns dont have. I know very few people that would take a mill to an angel or a cocker for instance just with the suspicion that "Maybe this will make the gun quieter". Almost all the work done on the higher end guns is done by airsmiths, so it's kinda cool the way stingrays are. I just hate Brass Eagle because of the way they treat customers, and the way they purchased two of the finest companies in paintball and totally ran one of them (Viewloader) into the toilet in terms of production standards. Cool looking gun though, I'll admit

[PsycHo AbE]

http://www.paintballcity.net/uploads/battlecannon.jpg

- Not mine. Just saw this today

[Paintball Monkey]

Somebody emailed these pictures to put up on my website...
http://www.paintballmonkey.com/maverick_x_stingray.jpg

http://www.paintballmonkey.com/Mvc-140f.jpg

[july_favre]

So the stingray is good once you spend almost $300 dollars on it?

[Dman]

If your going to put that much work into a gun...make it something worth while like a cocker. I own an old Stingray 1 It wasn't that bad, but in order to get it to the level of any other starter gun(spyder,tippman,pirahna) You have to put a lot of time and money into it. It can be fun, but it's more fun to put your time into a cocker, or even a spyder. The upgrades are higher quality, and in the end you have a much better product.

If you like working on cars you don't by a 87 Yugo and upgrade it to a Ford Escort. You buy a good car and make it preform better. That's the way that I see it with the stingray....Your best hope is to compete with the entry level guns. And even that is after tons of work.

[TLplus84]

i agree. I mean, a stingray is a good starter gun, but i don't hink i would invest that much into it. I had a Stingray as my first gun, and i had an ok time with it i have to admit, but when i moved onto my TL+, oh man...