For front player, Impy or Shocker?

[monkeybacon00]

I need to know which gun is better for a front player. I know that shocker is slighty bulkier and heavier but that doesnt matter to me. I also know that the shocker is closed bolt and impy is not, but too me they seem equally accurate and it mainly depends on the person behind the gun. I would just like to know which gun is better performance wise, what are the good and bad things about each marker, which has higher rof, and which is more reliable. Im open to suggestions so come on, I wanna see some replies!

[AnOnYmOuS]

Even tho you say that you dont care if it's bulkier and heavier, it matters, especialy if gun shots count. I've never shot a shocker, but i'm sure they're probly a little better then impulse because of the price. In terms of accuacy, if you have the right bolt(undertow) you match the shocker if not pretty close. I dont have alot of tournament experiance, but i see alot more impulses in the warpig videos then shockers.

[FactsOfLife]

Originally posted by a short lived idiot
Men,andthemshas goodrangesaswellasacurrency.

try English as a FIRST language please.....

[The Legend]

Ever see a RatDog shooting a shocker?

They've been dealing with SP markers since the shocker was invented.

[NitroBill]

go with the impulse, even the ppl at my local shop said the shcoker was a great back players gun, and the imp was a better front players gun.

[johnnyrotten]

Hey Im a back guy, does that mean I need a Shocker? Do I have to deal with 2 solenoids instead of one? Do I have to start timing my marker before a tourney? Do I have to deal with tons of o-rings? Do I need a 114cu tank instead of my 88/4500 just so I can play a 10-man game or use CO2 instead of Nitro just so I have enough air to finish a game? Im just kidding man, but these are things to look at when making that decision. A Shocker is a great marker but it has these disadvantages, its advantages are its closed bolt system = better accuracy ( Please FOM, I know what your gonna say, Im sticking to my guns, Closed bolt = better accuracy...just a little) and its quieter.

[The Legend]

Originally posted by johnnyrotten
( Please FOM, I know what your gonna say, Im sticking to my guns, Closed bolt = better accuracy...just a little) and its quieter.

Bah, my open bolt gun is hitting hoppers from across the field in 4 shots, what more do I need?

:)

In case you guys don't know, both me and FOM think Johnny is a wacko on this idea.

[johnnyrotten]

Im not wacko, its simple physics, take for example a closed bolt single shot rifle vs. a semi-automatic rifle, which one is more accurate? THE SINGLE SHOT! More air is surrounding the ball causing less stress on the ball vs. a small amount of air and a bolt smacking it. Bonehead Legend:atten:

[cris8762]

:finger: :finger: HAHAHA........i'm goin with legend and FOM on this one because u cant really compare bullet ballistics to shooting a gelatin ball....they are different....besides....same paint+same barrel+same speed and airsource= same accuracy...besides.....you need to mount the gun and not have all sorts of limiting factors like weather, dimples on balls or seams, or moisture....if you eliminated all of those and used the above conditions (same air, paint, barrel) then they all go exactly the same..no exceptions

[The Legend]

Pfft. Half my family (including me) used to shoot competition with a semi auto .22

And Tom Kaye of AGD did testing with an automag, clear barrel and very high tech Kodak cameras.

At 400psi, with an open bolt gun there is NO ball distortion when it's fired.

Sorry Johnny, maybe if you played up front you could grasp this.:)

[johnnyrotten]

Kids these days........... And look at what happened to Tom Kaye, he cant give away an Automag, More air........ you know what, Im done, grasping an open bolt concept is hard enough to explain to some people (TOM PPRO) let alone explaining a closed bolt system

[Tempest261]

I dunno Johnny- people say the same thing about cockers- I own a decently tricked cocker (see sig) and a m98, and when both have a decent paint to barrel match I can nail just as many people (and I have) with that m98. Stupid thing just has a lot of kick.

The reason why I think cockers and shockers are said to be more accurate is something that goes along with most closed bolt guns-their heavier and bulkier. Also, grip positioning might have something to do with it- notice how the grip is further forward on both guns.

I've read in numerous bench mounted tests that it has been concluded that there is no difference at all. Also consider rapid fire- differences between the two virtually dissapear.

I'm a back player too, but there's no way in hell that I'd shoot a shocker if I have an impulse.

Now stop reading, Johnny, and finnish my Rat! ;)


btw- to original poster:
All of my shocker-owning friends are all moving to impulses.. that should tell you something.

[automagdude]

if you play front get the impluse. I was going to get one but it cost too much money for me. So i got a mag.(that is a good choice too). You say that the bigness of the shocker doesn't bother you, but it will. Try the shocker playing tape. It is pretty hard to get that snap shooting right. Impluse is like the shocker but in a smaller version. The shocker might be accurate, but the impluse can shoot faster. The impluse is less accurate though a little bit. If you are up front that doesn't matter. Try them out in one game. The shocker is a true back player gun. Trust me you don't what to be playing with a 25 in. + marker in the front.

[johnnyrotten]

I hate to say it man, but please dont get an Automag, they are chopping machine and totally intolerate of like CO2, Cockers and Automags had they're day, but man this is the new millenium and they went out a long time ago. Electro is the only way to go. If you dont like an Imp get an Angel or excalibur or a Viking, but stay away from those 2 unless you want a pet project to tinker with

[Tempest261]

I hate to say it man, but please dont get an Automag, they are chopping machine and totally intolerate of like CO2, Cockers and Automags had they're day, but man this is the new millenium and they went out a long time ago. Electro is the only way to go. If you dont like an Imp get an Angel or excalibur or a Viking, but stay away from those 2 unless you want a pet project to tinker with

I agree 100%- Mag's are a nightmare- at least every single one that I've seen has been (with maybe 1 exception; an extremely tricked RT mag). Cockers, heh, well, you have to have a lot of patience, that's for sure (see my sig). I just ran out of that patience now that I don't have much free time anymore (Georgia Tech...grr).

But yeah, I wouldn't buy anything but electro now- hell, there are new entry level guns that are even electro (Draggun). I don't want something to tinker with- I want something that can shoot paint.

[FOM]

OK-- hears the accuracy story base on a LOT of real world testing (not theory)

If we clap a shocker in a rest, and shoot some grops (with a freak barrel) Then take that freak insert and tip and put it on an Impulse (this is the closest I can get to "same barrel") The shocker will shoot about 1/2" smaller group at 25 yds.

Now guys, i hate to be a jerk about this, but I am willing to bet there is not a single person reading this post that can shoot a 1/2" group, hand held, without sights, at 25 yards. I have had some of the best free pistols in the world and would have shot in the olypinics (way back in '80 when we didn't go)-- and I can't shoot that good.

SOOO... there is NO PRATICAL DIFFERENCE in accuracy between the two.

BUT...

Every person I know that shoots both has come back to say the Impulse POINTS much better. That means when you point shoot (99% of the time you shoot in compition) you can HIT things better with the Impulse. Of course the Impulse is a LOT faster and has the Vision. All of that adds up to "go with an Impulse"

Just FYI-- I Gave Johnny a shocker (needs a little work) just so he can show off his Certifed tech knowlage and PROVE just how much better the shocker shoots (yea right) Of course between Tom, Walt, and Shaun- if hes playing against them for pratice, I doubt he will be in the game long enought to find out <BMFG>

Just don't wear a Fed Ex hat when you come in to the store tomarrow <G>

FOM

[automagdude]

I am getting rip on in here. I think mags are good but hpa is a must. I know that but when you have hpa to work great. All these new eltronic guns just let people shoot that 2 extra ball per sec. It takes talent and time to learn the trigger of a non eltronic gun. I am not ripping on you or anything. I would probably get an eltronic gun if i had the money. The impluse is a great choice because it is small, and can be upgraded to the vision. Which is no ball breakage. Mags are old but they are a good front player gun.:)

[monkeybacon00]

thx for the input guys, but my local store owner doesnt sell impulses anymore because every one he sold came back broke and he got fed up with them. he stopped selling them about a year ago so i dont know if something was wrong back then and they fixed it. He says he will order one for me but if it breaks, he cant help me. But from what ive heard from everyone BUT him, the impulse is great for front players. So i dont know what to do, i hear the shocker is alot better for back so at the moment im looking more towards the impulse.

And if your going to post info in this forum, either suggest a shocker or an impulse, mags or anything else at the moment are out of the question

thanks

[The Legend]

Johnny using a shocker this weekend?

Oh boy, me gonna have fun! :)

You might as well carry around a shoebox, 4 liter pop bottle and a softball. Tape them all together, paint them bright red with white stripes (bullseye) and there ya go, a shocker!

Actually, I like shockers. One of our guys still shoots a highly tricked 01 blue shocker. Of course he plays back, and when it shoots good, it shoots good. However he usually has to tinker with it a lot more than my bush or impulse. It doenst "go down" it just needs adjusted and greased every time you look at it.

[johnnyrotten]

Oh I have to go against Shawn, Walt and Tom solo? HMmm I dont think so, 3 of the best front/mid players I know against little ole me, I bet I send one home packing though, even if I have to take my Ghetto Rat and layeth the SMACK down on theyre silly ***.

[FOM]

Oh no-- we'll give you Big Dog, Spaz and Spork

You just have to promise not to lay any more of those leg traps in front of your bunker. Honest guy-- we NEED front guys! You can't make booby traps so they can't bunker you while you find your sunglasses.

<BMFG>

FOM

[The Legend]

Originally posted by FOM
Oh no-- we'll give you Big Dog, Spaz and Spork


Bring em all on.

I can't wait to see my friends electro tippy in action. Go Tippmann Effect!:rolleyes:

[johnnyrotten]

Hey look, when Im going one on two with Walt and Spaz on the other side, I need all the boobytraps I can get, and I wasnt looking for my sunglasses that time, I was looking for my squeegie and toilet paper, the squeegie for my barrel because the paint was so cold and the toilet paper for when I realized it wasnt 2 on 2 anymore and Walt and Spaz was moving up to bunker me. As far as Me, Spork, BigDog and Spaz taking on those 3, could be interesting. Time for me to get my Rotten Rat oiled up and get the paint a flowin.

[Downdog]

I have to agree with automagdude. I had a automag and they are really reliable with nitro. All i have to say is if you get a automag get a 12 volt. I turned mine into a paint blender without one. I would have to say rt mag over an imp because an imp is like 3 feet tall. I have one and im not trying to rip on them im just saying an rt is a better front gun than an imp. In less you get warp feed and upgrades then i would take imp over just about any gun.:agree:

[The Legend]

Originally posted by Downdog
I would have to say rt mag over an imp because an imp is like 3 feet tall

More like 11 inches. And that's with a huge high rise.

Ever measured a rt mag from gripframe to the top of the elbow? It's at least 11 inches tall. With the huge powerfeed they put on them things it gets pretty tall...

[automagdude]

Someone is on my side for once. :) back to the comments on the guns. So the guy can decide. This is what i would do if you can't make up your mind between the 2 guns. I would try out both of them in the postion you play in and see what one you like better. Don't buy them both. Just ask someone at your field if you can try out their gun. And then if you still can't decide hmmmmm. I am out a comments then.

[automagdude]

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[cris8762]

NOT ANYMORE....mUHAHAHAHAHHAH!!!:laugh: :laugh: ...but seriously..i would go with the impy because they come stock with a double trigger so you can shoot faster (i.e walk or fan trigger)....and they are reliable on co2 or n2 so you dont HAVE to buy one or the other