Shocker Vs Impulse

[Cory]

how does the performance between the shocker and impulse differ? i have a shocker but may be selling it to get a new impulse with the vision. i like the shockers range...is the impulses as good?

[Creek]

Yeah it about the same range,but then your back too the barrel paint match deal again.

[JesterDude15]

The only difference I can tell is the Shocker is Closed bolt and can be designed for either remote or normal setup and has the 16 inch All American barrel (Front players Nightmare!!!)

[Cory]

so do you guys think i should get a shocker 4x4 vert feed, with a 12" big daddy barrel (i have the barrel already for my current shocker). or an impulse with the same barrel (i assume the threading is the same), 4x4, and possibly the vision eye.

[JesterDude15]

I shot a 4x4 and a Impulse and honestly...

If you are going for performance the 4X4 is better.

If you are going for feel and not as good as a performance the impulse is for you.

[paintballer56]

Jester i dont get you


you are wrong about the impulse......



The impulse isn't a gas hog like the shocker

The impulse is more lightweight to move around.

The impulse has just as good range

and the impulse is hella a lot cheaper than the shocker and performs at the same rate of the shocker if not better

[JesterDude15]

Actually I am right.

The Shocker 4X4 with that 16 inch barrel is hard to move arounf in tight places and I didnt like the snap shooting capability. Plus it is heavy buy you only notice that when you are just sitting aroung holding it.

The impulse IS NOT as accurate as the Shocker 4X4 since the shocker is closed bolt. But the impulse is more manuverable in tight places and I liked the Snap shooting better. That is why I am ordering an Impulse Monday.

Here is how it breaks down:
Shocker:
Pros: About as accurate as an angel, can come in remote or on-gun setup
Cons: Bad Snap shooting, not very good for a front player(me), a little too pricey for me (Im cheap, so sue me).
Impulse:
Pros: Not as accurate as a Angel but a little more accurate than a Cocker, Lightweight, good snapshooting.
Cons: well, none that I noticed.

Its all a matter of personal reference.

[Reckoning]

Well, I've been doing a whole buncha research on electros (you can find my posts and threads around), including the shocker, impulse, and angel.
Hm. Jester, I don't believe the Angel is a good gun to compare accuracy to. You first mentioned open/closed bolt, and the funny thing is that the angel is open bolted, and so according to your conclusion it must then be less accurate than a closed bolt gun. Secondly I've done some target practice with the Angel vs the Shocker and found (this is MY opinion) that the Shocker has better accuracy and range than the Angel. Now when comparing the Shocker to the Impulse, I concur that compared to the bulky Shocker the Impulse is lighter, but I must also say that the Impulse's range and accuracy is slightly less than that of the Shocker. Whether this is from the difference in it's bolt (some people might argue that open or closed bolt doesn't make a difference in accuracy and range) I don't know. We must also take into consideration that the Impulse is an electro semi ONLY, and has no other firing functions. No burst, no auto, no sniper mode, no turbo. Triggers on the Impulse is different than from the Shocker, it's got some side to side... Also from what I've heard the Impulse is much more reliable than the Shocker. Shockers are super high maintenance and go down real often.
As a final comment, I say that whether you buy the Impulse or the Shocker is up to your personal reference whether you're looking for the extras the Shocker provides, however remember that with the extras there's a heftier body and a heftier price.
Oh, one more thing. Compared to the Impulse, I found the Cocker to have superior accuracy and range. Just can't beat the Cockers when it comes to that :)

[Edited by Reckoning on 04-27-2001 at 09:12 PM]

[Dräko]

The impulse IS NOT as accurate as the Shocker 4X4 since the shocker is closed bolt, quoted from jester.(yes i know bout the quote feature)

I and so many of my friends would argue that point to the death. I know people with both closed and open bolt guns and both of them perform the exact same! now maybe its a function of the particular guns but from what ive PERSONALLY seen i can say theirs no difference. Now their are pros to closed bolt such as the lack of a beavertail, but accuracy is NOT one of them.

[JesterDude15]

" Hm. Jester, I don't believe the Angel is a good gun to compare accuracy to. You first mentioned open/closed bolt, and the funny thing is that the angel is open bolted, and so according to your conclusion it must then be less accurate than a closed bolt gun(by Reckoning).
I am going to keep this as civilized as possible (I love debates :-)


Actually, I beleive the angel is closed bolt. If you have noticed the "field stripping" feature the bolt is as far forward as it can go in a stationary position (i.e. without being forced) forward. Therefore it is a closed bolt.


"I know people with both closed and open bolt guns and both of them perform the exact same(Drako)!"

My opinion is that the only reason that the impulse is not as accurate as a shoker is:
1. Because of the barrel
2. I played with Progressive barrel on a Shocker and noticed a slight difference in accuracy, I beleive that the closed bolt design (see above definition) is the cause of the accuracy change.

I should note however that there was not a drastic accuracy change, but it was noticeable by my fellow team-mates.

[Reckoning]

Alrighty, I think I've gotta take somethings back since I've gone back and done some more quick research. Firstly, my bad for saying that the Impulse is only semi, apparently you can get them with turbo too. As for Angels being closed bolt, I'll have to get back to you on that one, I swear I saw it somewhere that they were open.

[JesterDude15]

I feel 80% sure they are.

[davidb]

Sorry Jester, Angels are most definitely open bolt. Kind of shoots your whole closed bolt=accuracy theory to heck, doesn't it? ;)

[JesterDude15]

I guess it does.

Well, I think it helps but

go to the review section of http://www.paintballstar.com

they reviewed a Shocker 2000 and a WDP Angel LCD and the shocker hit the target 29/30 times and an angel hit it 30/30 times so the accuracy is pretty much the same.

[Cory]

so do you guys think that if i have a shocker with a 12"big daddy is good for a front player in speedball? i have a 16" also i play lots of wooded cources, and my back up is a tricked tippmann pro-carbine.

[Cory]

i'm pretty sure angels are closed bolt...

[elTwitcho]

No angels are not closed bolt. As for accuracy, it's all in the barrel and the regulator. Your bolt dont mean jack, because either closed bolt or open bolt, it's the same thing. Either way, the bolt pushes a paintball forward past the feed tube, seals off the feed tube, and releases gas through the bolt. Tell me how 2 identical systems, the only difference being what point in the cycle the bolt is in before the trigger is pulled, will make any difference. Picture it like this (a little diagram for you all).
1 will mean the bolt is in the back position.
0 will mean the bolt is in the forward position.
F will mean fire

here's how a closed bolt system would work during a 5 shot burst

0-F-1-0-F-1-0-F-1-0-F-1-0-F-1-0

so you can see the gun starts in the bolt forward position, and the gun fires with the bolt in a forward position, now lets do open bolt

1-0-F-1-0-F-1-0-F-1-0-F-1-0-F-1

You can see the bolt starts in the back position, moves forward and fires witht eh bolt in a forward position. Notice however, that after the first shot it's the exact same sequence between the 2. Use some common sense, it's impossible for one system to be more accurate than the other when it's essentailly the same system.

[davidb]

<<APPLAUSE>> You tell'em Twitcho. I think we just really killed some people's outlook on life. Hey, I keep trying to ask you, you said you run your LP Intimidator with a Pure Energy tank... What size/reg type (adj., preset) is it? I remember you saying you never get any shootdown, but what kind of spread do you get at the chronograph? I just got a 68ci preset fiber wrapped, and I was wondering if I would need to replace it with an adjustable before I finally get my next gun.

[JesterDude15]

Twitcher has a good point but I still follow my beleifs...

Also the bolt does help accuracy, I resently changed my stock bolt on my spyder and my accuracy MAJORLY increased!

[JesterDude15]

Yo Cory!

If I where you I would go with the Shocker with the 12 IN.

I just ordered my Impulse last night with a:
Anti-Siphon Tank
12 Volt Gem Revolution
and Dow 33 Lube
Also: So you need the Dow stuff on an Impulse?

[Creek]

Yest Jester you got too use dow 33 on the Impluse marker.Don't settle for anything else. Also when you get it make sure the Valve assembly is lube. So far I have seen 2 markers shipped dry in the valve assembly or just a tab of lube.

[elTwitcho]

Originally posted by davidb
<<APPLAUSE>> You tell'em Twitcho. I think we just really killed some people's outlook on life. Hey, I keep trying to ask you, you said you run your LP Intimidator with a Pure Energy tank... What size/reg type (adj., preset) is it? I remember you saying you never get any shootdown, but what kind of spread do you get at the chronograph? I just got a 68ci preset fiber wrapped, and I was wondering if I would need to replace it with an adjustable before I finally get my next gun.

Yeah I sw your question but didnt get a chance to respond, and next tiem i went online couldnt find the thread. I've got a preset 68/3K fiber wrapped PE, run through an Air America Vigilante regulator, with the Low Pressure spring installed. Because of the vigilante, I actually get really good consistency over the chronograph. At skyball, where I got a near perfect paint match with my stock barrel (Only barrel I own until I get my freak next weekend) I was getting +-2 feet per second at the chrony, so it's darn good. The only reason I will ever replace my tank is to get a 4.5K system some time in the future, performance wise I am very very happy with it.

[JesterDude15]

I never new how useful these forums could be.

[paintballer56]

Jester your a dumb ***


The impulse isnt a gas hog like the shocker


The shocker is too damn heavy for a lot of people


They are just as accurate dumb ***

[Imus]

Yeah El-Twitcho is right on the whole closed bolt issue. They just did a study in one of this months paintball magaizines comparing open-bolt accuracy to closed bolt accuracy. They took a stingray and shot it stock, then took that same stingray and shot with a modified action that basically turned into a bolt action paintball gun. Accuracy was the same. Angels are open bolt =)

[JesterDude15]

OKOK.

I have seen the evidence and it has proven that Open/Closed bolt has nothing to do with accuracy.

But also in that paintball magazine when they converted it to bolt action they noticed the shot grouping was tighter.

[C4pyro]

All I have to say is to Cory. I really don't want to start arguing about accuracy and open-closed bolt stuff. In all your own little worlds you are all right...hahahahahaha....anyways Cory the only thing I have to say is that the Impulse and the Shocker have different threads for their barrels so you can't interchange them. As per APG magazine. Other then that go try them out and see what you like better.

[Cory]

what type of threads go on an impulse...i thought they were the same as a shocker...i think that i am going to either stay with my shocker (read signature), or go with a 2001 vert feed shocker 4x4...but i can't find any place that sells them vert feed and 4x4. i don't want turbo cause they aren't tourny legal anymore. let me know your oppinions on a good tourny gun other than those listed, or if those are good choices. i typically play front for speedball and anywhere for woods, so let me know.

[Reckoning]

Thought you can tourney lock yer Shocker if it has turbo?

[Cory]

no, you can't the nppl made a new rule that all guns have to have a semi auto circuit board only, it doens't matter if it can be locked or not. too many people were programing their boards to fire on full auto after the fire a couple fast semi shots or something, and the refs couldn't figgure it out so they aggreed that it has to have a semi auto circuit board only. i heard from one guy that the grandfather clause applies to it though (if you had your gun before they made the rule it was legal, if you bought it after it wasn't) or something like that. i dunno.

[elTwitcho]

Nah, it's because of insurance. Insurance companies know that were the NPPL goes, rec fields follow. if NPPL bans enhanced firing, manufacturers stop making them, barrel plugs dont get blasted out in safe area by 6 shot bursts, and insurance companies are happy. A semi only board is just as easy to program as a enhanced fire board, so it isnt that

[Reckoning]

So what does this mean with the timmy's, bushmasters, em1s and all the other burst mode markers? they're not allowed in nppl tournies now?

[ds613]

other modes are just locked so that you can't use them

[JesterDude15]

Why dont the refs just grab the D*mn gun and hold down the trigger (over a Chrono)!!!!


See....there is a easy solution to everything <-)

[elTwitcho]

Because it doesnt work that way. If you've got a hidden mode, it means it looks like semi, and fires 1 shot per pull until.... you fire 3 quick shots, then hold the trigger down for 6 seconds then fire 2 shots, which then kicks the gun into turbo mode. See how it works, refs cant see it. But the reason they did it is, for insurance, not because of hidden modes, everyone knows semi boards are just as easy to program as enhanced. For those with enhanced fire guns, you will need to buy a new board from your gun manufacturer as well, before you can compete in any NPPL events

[blinkpk11]

im just refering to some earlier questions posted:

1. the impulse does NOT take shocker threads. it takes special impulse threads which are kinda hard to find for barrels not made by SP.

2. http://www.painballgear.com does sell 2001 vert feed shockers that dont have a turbo board. they run for about 740 i think but dont quote me.

[Reckoning]

That's what I was asking about ds613: I was asking what about the lock function, but Cory and elTwitcho said yer gun can only have a semi auto circuit board. Dang... So elTwitcho your Timmy wouldn't be allowed in nppl? I've got a bushmaster 2000 now, I can't use it until I get a semi auto circuit in there? Sheesh, it's not like it's easy to change the firing modes. Gotta open her up and play with the dipswitches to change modes.