full auto

[kingfish]

why is full auto being banned at fields
it is slower than semi
it doesnt make any sense
i can shoot someone 3 times with auto off when if i had it on i would have shot them twice
what are your opinions on this

[JesterDude15]

I think it is fair to have Full Auto vs. Semi. I see how people can think it is unfair, but I think you should get whatever you can afford, even if it means full auto.

[kingfish]

i completely agree people should be able to use full auto if they can afford it its not more dangerous because it shoots faster my bushmaster shoots a little bit faster than my friends tippmann with rt trigger

[JesterDude15]

My Field owner banned it becuase someone bunkered his 15 year old sister on full auto.

[gouldpball]

lol...bunkered? but isnt full auto only like 30 shots per trigger pull ne ways? on the timmy its that way.

No its not like that when u use fully auto it just keeps shooting until u let off the trigger. For instance the intimidator will shoot 14 bps if you hold it down for one sec, two sec will get you 28 balls,and so on and so on. EM1 does 20,angel LCD can do 17. I think its just like pump vs semi. I can beat my friends with a pump.

[PetWoody]

paintball1016 - do u even own a timmy, or ever used one in full auto?

every time u pull the trigger and keep it down it will shoot 30 balls than stop. so if u want to keep up with the full auto u need to keep pulling the trigger.

its like a 30 round burst.

im not sure if other guns do this, i would guess yes, but not sure.

[kingfish]

no one has really answeed my question yet do you think banny auto was stupid

[elTwitcho]

I dont really care, it doesnt affect me, except for one thing. it's unsafe. A barrel plug usually pops out after 2 shots if you have it in tight, accidentally bump your trigger and you could fire 6 before realising it. That's 4 shots without a barrel plug. See the problem yet?

No i don't own a timmy but my best friend does and we have made videos before of our team playing and slowed down some to see our rate of fire i got 9 bps my friend got 14 in one sec at full auto ask eltwicho he knows:: DON'T U ELTWICHO!!!::but seriously its not fair for fully auto to be band in america WE R A FREE COUNTRY!!!!!!!!

[Edited by Paintball1016 on 04-29-2001 at 05:49 PM]

[kingfish]

i still think its stupid i agree with eltwitcho except at my field they haven't banned turbo or burst fire yet they ban auto
i think they banned it because of the name
now kids with turbo boards still can legally shoot someone more than you could have with auto

There is only one field in my town that allows fully auto etc. but they banned tippmann grenades,and grenade launchers,i bet fully auto is next. Thats y they jack up the price on paint if your gun is electro.

[JesterDude15]

I shot a full auto angel today!

I can see why it could be unfair.

I should know, I got pinned down by one but I dont really care :-)

[kingfish]

unfair you wuss talk to those pump guys and ask them whats unfair

when you can afford a good gun you should be able to exploit all of its benifits and if you think its unfair get one
thats like saying i cant afford an angel so it should be banned because its better than my gun
if you are so upset why dont you quit paintballing because challenge is the whole point of the game

most of all doesent it feel rewarding when you shoot a kid with an angel with you compact after he has unloaded a case on you

[JesterDude15]

How many pump players do you know that perfer Speedball over woods? Either your pump players are deranged or they have some sort of desire for a welt.

Here is what I said

"I shot a full auto angel today!

I can see why it could be unfair.

I should know, I got pinned down by one but I dont really care :-)"

How do you get the feeling that I think Autos should be banned from that statement???

[kingfish]

inever thought that you said that you thought full auto was and should be illegal
i felt that you were claiming that it is an unfair advantage
but my argument now is that you pay extra to get that advantage and why should it be taken away beacause some whiny newbie is afraid of gettin all shot up

[JesterDude15]

I agree with you. They have to top and Reload Sometime....

>-)

STill though if i owned a field i would try to make it someway fair for the people who felt intimidated. After saftey thats all it is intimidation. But then again i know this one guy that is intimidated by a cocker 2k that always has a ball in the hopper with his name on it.(My friend my old cocker)booohooo IT IS STOLEN.......

[paintballer56]

full auto is for *****s

[PBSouLjAh]

i love my local field. they say "we'll let u use full auto or anything u like but if someone complains about it, im gonna have to ask u to turn it off, but seriously tho, be a good sport and dont overkill" dats wat the owner of this field and hes also da owner of my local paintball shop. hes da nicest paintballre i have met.

[JesterDude15]

I shot a full auto angel and I thought it was pretty sweet!

[theomacy]

i play with a barrel condom so the plug popping out isn't a problem. Turbo is an even worse problem than auto though becase its causes rounds to be frired when the trigger isn't pulled. With supperior barrel covers i think auto might have a rebirth in rec play.

[Omega6_Virus]

If you buy a car that can go 140 you will eventualy try to get it up to 140.
If you can buy a gun(hunting) with a 5rnd magazine you load it with 5 rnds and plan on shooting all five if not more.
If you buy a whore for 1 hour you use her(he if thats your thing) for one hour.
If you can't afford an electro with full auto and complain you shouldin't be playing cause u might complain about the other person having a extra battery in their pocket for their gun.
IF YOU CAN AFFORD IT AND BUY U USE IT!!!! I PLAN ON PURCHASING AN INTIMIDATOR/E-MAG/OR ANGEL. I WILL USE FULL AUTO WHEN I CAN. WHY NOT?!?!? I AM NOT GOING TO BUY A ELECTRO AND SHOT SEMI ALL THE TIME!! I don't mean to yell but yes I don't like when others have full auto and I don't, but why do we(all players) buy them if we don't like em? CAUSE WE WANT TO BE ABLE TO DO IT TOO! Why pay for a STO Cocker thats semi when you can get an INTIMIDATOR?

[Omega6_Virus]

I would never use full auto unless others had it or agreed to let me. I would never use with with newbies at all. I wouldn't want to deter someone from the sport.

[Imus]

pretty lame argrument paintball 1016...i hope you weren't serious...

Field owners should reserve the right to ban full auto.

Think about the first time you went paintballing. Say some full auto guy starts popping the side of your bunker as you sit there with your vertical setup spyder compact. Images of the guys showing off their nice ring welts come to my mind. Anyway, you pop out and get hit 5 times.

What's your reaction to that? I wanna spend 400+ on a gun for a game that I've only played a couple of times so I can make somebody feel that pain and scare the crap out of newbies? I think field owners would like people to come back to there field. Sure, most guys won't do that to a newbie, but there are plenty out there who will (and enjoy it immensely!) Oh well, if I see some1 doing that, I'll just light'em up with my Timmy.

just my .02

[elTwitcho]

Heh, funny story. I never wanted an electro until that time so very long ago when I popped out of my bunker and got gogged by about 5 guys. After the game I found out that the 5 guys who gogged me, was actually just one guy with a bushmaster. Fight fire with fire I suppose, I saved up for a very very long time 'fore buyin my timmy, but sometimes you gotta pay the price to be able to compete on equal footing with other people. That's the way it is, if some guy comes out with a pump, should everyone limit their fire to 3 shots per second?

[JesterDude15]

I wouldnt use fully auto against newbies either!

[PBSouLjAh]

fully auto might be fun, but is it really challenging ur game? think about a speedball course. someone could keep their auto...as soon as that whistle blows, someone could just hold donw their trigger and get like 3 people out. dats not fair i think. but it woods games...where there are big fields, and more people, it'll be fun.

[JesterDude15]

They have to stop and reload sometime >-)

[TMaxx06]

Ok...

They should have a special classification for full auto, just like there is for semi and pump. And if somone wants to play against the f/a with a pump or a semi, let them. Also, there can be special games when you can use gernades, and mortars and things. But no scaring and newbies with a string of 20 paintballs in one second. You can have a higher grade gun and go into a lower grade match. (ex: Can't have a f/a and go to a pump match.) Only the lower grades can go to higher grade if they want too. It would be pretty paintfull for a newbie, hiding behind something, with his legs open, kneeling, and getting a 6 shot zip in the testicles. So, have special classes, just like the semi and pump guys. And if you are a pump guy, and can sneak up behind a f/a guy, and take him out with 3 balls or less, than you are truley good, when he's throwing 5+ bps at you.

But that's just my opinion.

The only reason i am going electro soon is because i have come to a limit where my gun cannot perform with my skill level. I can get 9 bps off my spyder and its only supposed to be able to take 8 an airsmith told me so i fixed my bolt so it wouldn't chop at 9.. well it still does and i'm not gonna spend 100-300 dollars on another blowback marker. I'm goin electro money well spent and one bonus is full auto. Actually your RIGHT MAN it is a free country so in either case i should be able to use full auto and the field owners should be allowed to bann it.

[TMaxx06]

Free country... Can't ban it... It's not a weapon capable of killing anyone. I can see if it was 500fps, 20bps, and 3/4 inch balls, but it's not. And there's probably always going to be f/a markers. If the fields ban it, people are just going to make their own fields. So no matter how they try to ban it, there's always gonna be f/a fields. Same thing with gernades, and mortars, etc. We pay for it, we should be able too use it. It's like buying a $300,000 exotic car. What's the use of having it, if you can't use it. It's gonna get dirty sometime. And if the companies stop making the f/a guns, people will start building their own that are even better. And if newbies are afraid of 'em, then dont't play with them. It's that simple! They should set up a newbie class with an instructor, and about 5 refs to help. And they should use some cheap pumps, dialed down to 250 fps. Once they get use to that, they can move up to a semi. Then a f/a if they like. Well... Think I'm done rambling...


~peace out~

Paintball rules!

well said...

[JesterDude15]

I agree with Imus, our country is free to an extent (i.e religion, personal opinions etc...). But private buisness owners are allowed to reserve the right to do whatever the hell they want, as long as it is not illegal, and banning full auto guns is not illegal in the slightest.

[elTwitcho]

Who cares if it's a free country. You're not gonna be allowed to ride a motorcycle through a 400 meter foot race, just as you cant use full auto in most rec play. The fact that it's a free country is irrelevant

[JesterDude15]

I agree with EL Twitcho!

[Richy_C]

I say if you are winning with your f/a angel or timmey and think your a hot shot, showup in jeans and a t shirt and rent, not donin so good with out your f/a to hide behind now are ya?

[Imus]

Originally posted by TMaxx06
Free country... Can't ban it... It's not a weapon capable of killing anyone. I can see if it was 500fps, 20bps, and 3/4 inch balls, but it's not. And there's probably always going to be f/a markers. If the fields ban it, people are just going to make their own fields. So no matter how they try to ban it, there's always gonna be f/a fields. Same thing with gernades, and mortars, etc. We pay for it, we should be able too use it. It's like buying a $300,000 exotic car. What's the use of having it, if you can't use it. It's gonna get dirty sometime. And if the companies stop making the f/a guns, people will start building their own that are even better. And if newbies are afraid of 'em, then dont't play with them. It's that simple! They should set up a newbie class with an instructor, and about 5 refs to help. And they should use some cheap pumps, dialed down to 250 fps. Once they get use to that, they can move up to a semi. Then a f/a if they like. Well... Think I'm done rambling...

Field owners can ban it! Jester's right in the fact that a field owner can do whatever the hell he wants with his own field and if people don't like it, they can go somwhere else or start up their own for that matter! And also, there are paintball guns that can shoot close to or at 20 bps at 500 fps~~ also .75 - .68 = a whole .07 difference! Yes there are always gonna be f/a guns, I don't see a problem with that, I own one, but just because you have one that is capable of f/a doesn't not mean it neccesarily safe or appropriate to use in all circumstances. Just like if you have that $300,000 dollar car, that doesn't allow you to drive it at 180 mph. Should they ban a speed limit also because people have expensive cars that can go much faster? I don't quite understand how you idea about a newbie class would be effective either, please elaborate! Anyway, I'm not trying to flame you, just trying to make a point!

[theomacy]

i dont have a problem with it but i can see why some people do and i'm not going to ***** if the local field owner bans it either. so buy your f/a marker for $100 more and once you have it and every field bans the use of it you can play in your back yard and say i have a f/a marker that can waist paint like nothing anyone has ever seen, but you still going to be in you own damn back yard because bans on most fields are comming and the ones that havn't yet probably will. Like i said before i have been plastered by people with f/a and i didn't mind that much, i just came out the nxt game and bunkered them. i have forgotten where i was going with this so anyway. to sum up f/a is not safe, but in games it doesn't bother me, but its going to get banned everywhere anyway so dont buy a marker that can soot f/a because you are going to have to replace the chip pretty soon.

[blinkpk11]

i really dont use full auto ever because if i want to play in a tournoment, i need to be able to shoot at a high bps in semi mode. i also didnt buy an electro for the full auto, but for the high rof in semi mode, but i guess thats just me thinking like the nppl. ohh yah and if this country is so free than why do we have to pay taxes? but maybe that debate will have to be moved to off topic so go ahead and open a thread.

[patriot]

This is my opinion on full auto.
If you are rich enough to buy a gun with full auto then you should be able to use it when an where you like.
Also to prevent it from being unfair(well there really isnt no unfair i cant believe i just said that)It depends on the quality of the player.I saw i guy that plays for my local team (Soul Assasins) heb played with a stock gun and beat the guy with the 2001 dark angel. HE ALMOST BUNKERED HIM!!!!!

[JesterDude15]

I agree with Imus, our country is free to an extent (i.e religion, personal opinions etc...). But private buisness owners are allowed to reserve the right to do whatever the hell they want, as long as it is not illegal, and banning full auto guns is not illegal in the slightest.


Its all right there.

Even though maybe they should just have full auto games.

[Richy_C]

Think, if F/A was illegal to even produce, so no one had it, would you get an electro? Why electro, for higher ROF of course. You've got an electro, and shoot faster than 3/4 of all the people there on Semi, nw wouldn't F/A be a waste? Your gun is going to shoot as fast anyway, soe why not , not be lazy and move your damn finger? Not like you'll be crucified for using semi, heaven for bid you should show some skill, wouldn' tthat be horrible, winning w/o full auto, geez, who would have thought?

[kingfish]

i have a phantom and i bunkered an angel with a friend who also has a phantom while he was unloading we were both raped but he got hit twice and thats all that matters is it takes one hit but if someone went after me with his super duper angel braggin about how good it is well all i have to say is
at least my mommy didn't payu for my gun @#$%^%^

[filasophikal]

ay kingfish...

you bunkered him out of skill, and luck (most bunkerings is luck and just the right timing - to get it done).

on the issue of this full auto... just play semi... most people with electros (as they become more comfortable with their markers) tend to get to the level, where they can shoot as fast or faster than "capped full-autos" can go. so don't be the lazy 13 year old with an angel, playing in the back, shooting at nothing, playing with full-auto.

[Xpert Rifleman]

We have this guy on our team who owns a Bushmaster. We like to play in the woods once in a while because there are no stupid rules. Well this guy with a bushy can aim in a general direction, hold the trigger, and 50 rounds later someone will come out of there hiding space with there hands up and one or two hits on them. It is very funny to watch.:)

[bigmax2005]

I wouldn't care if someone uses a full-auto gun in a game with me, hell if i had the money i would like to get one. I think those who are against full-auto are just afraid of being shot. You should just suck it up and play your hardest to make up the high ROF that the full auto has. So just suck it up and stop complaning about the smaller things.

[Omega6_Virus]

WHy do people make full auto guns if they dont expect them to be used?

[Creek]

Well alot of Fields would like too let you use full auto on a field if most people had them. I talk too our locale field owner about it one day. He said he really dont have a problem with it himself. I repeat his Insurance does.
Alot of fields can't aford too paid the higher price for just a few people play full auto.
I myself don't have a problem with it,I understand you guys saying its a free country and all but its not .On a freeway or highway they post speed limits,But dang,my car can do 100 why can't I do what ever speed I want .Well cause its not safe doing a 100 in a 25 going around a hair pin.
If you want too use full auto or want too use full auto play outlaw ball in the woods then you can do what ever. But as far as fields go they have a right too say you can or can't use full auto. If you don't like it play somewhere else. Remender its a free country and they also can say what you can do on there property.



[Edited by Creek on 06-04-2001 at 06:56 PM]

[JesterDude15]

Originally posted by Creek
Well alot of Fields would like too let you use full auto on a field if most people had them. I talk too our locale field owner about it one day. He said he really dont have a problem with it himself. His I repeat his Insurance does.
Alot of field can't aford too paid the higher price for just a few people play full auto.
I myself don't have a problem with it,I understand you guys saying its a free country and all but its not .On a freeway or highway they post speed limits,But dang,my car can do 100 why can't I do what ever speed I want .Well cause its not safe seed doing a 100 in a 25 going around a hair pin.
I you want too use full auto or want too use full auto play outlaw ball in the woods then you can do what ever. But as far as fields go they have a right too say you can or can't use full auto. If you do like it play somewhere else. Remender its a free country and they also can say what you can do on there property.





Finally!!!Someone who understands the genral concept.

My field owner says. "How would you like to be hit by full auto and say you are out but still have 10 - 20 balls hit you. There is no such thing as not overkilling with full auto. Even when someone stops fireing he still has about 10 balls headed your way.