shocker range

[PBSouLjAh]

okay, i've been thinkin bout this for a while....

how come shockers can shoot farther than other guns with the same velocity? it isnt scientifically possible:

this is the equation for distance when using a paintball gun.

Effort Force/Resistance=total distance work output
in this case, the effort force would be the air, and the resistance would be the paintball.

if the same velocity is created(velocity=distance/time) and the resistance is the same(paintball) then how come the shocker can shoot farther?

o yea...im 13..and even i knew these equations. :)

[Nemessis]

It cant and, shut up with the equations smart *** ;)

[PBSouLjAh]

i dunno, dats wat everyone says, and i've seen it perform. it shoots way further than my m98.

[Nemessis]

No it doesnt damn you!!! I think I know I work at a paintball field and owned a shocker

[PBSouLjAh]

okay okay okay...chill...gosh....its just wat i saw and maybe it was messed up or something. its just wat everyones saying.

[FOGO]

Forget it!!

Shocker have the same range as all (expept the back spin system, like Tippmann Flatline and Mag back spin).

What you saw, was different paint/bore matches, different velocities and different paint (brand)!

As you know, paintballs have different weights, and that difference will show different ranges!

That's phisics!!

[C4pyro]

Kay I own a shocker and the reason they shoot a little farther (we aren't talking anymore then 20-25 yards) and more accurately is because of the fact that they use more are at a lower pressure to fire the ball instead of like in other guns which use less air at a higher pressure. This intern puts less desturbamce on the ball. But it won't shoot as far as a flatline or an Autococker flatline( no matter how ugly they are), but their is a little bit of a difference.

[davidb]

So, by your reasoning, something like, say, a Nova 700 would have more distance than anything else, even the Shocker? I mean, they do run at like 90 psi. If by "disturbance on the paintball" you mean the ball warping and changing shape in midair, there have been tests done which show that even in high pressure guns, the ball always retains a spherical shape during flight. And even if it was true, is the paintball going to break at the very A$$-end of its flight, for example, the 2 feet of extra distance that something like that would add?

[Sid]

He didn't mean disturbance.. he meant Turbulence... Higher psi 'guns create more turbulence on the paintball. This reduces accuracy and distance. This turbulence creates more shock on the paintball and more air pressure around the paintball. This increases air friction on the paintball, and thus reducing the length of its flight. THAT is physics, not junior high science.

[C4pyro]

Now I remember why your my friend....hahahahahahahaha.....

[elTwitcho]

Yes and more friction would do what? It would only exist in the barrel for one thing. Also, it would 'cause the ball to slown down, would it not? So you up your pressure so that the ball does fly out at the same speed. Once the ball is in the open air, it will have the same aerodynamic characteristics about it, and if it is going the same speed, it will travel the same distance, because there is no more "friction 'cause by turbelence" to slow it down

[SHOCKYOU]

there is friction in air. you kn ow how the space shutlle "burns up" once it hits the earths atmosphere, thats friction. os it does not exist in the barel alon. EVERYTHING HAS FRICTION.Except sationary items thnx

[elTwitcho]

Yes, but the only friction that would be affected by acceleration as in flashes theory would be in front of the ball in the barrel. After that, there is no aerodynamic difference between an LP and HP ball once it is out of the barrel.

[Sid]

Well looks like I need to go total laymans for those who do not understand. As I said in my earlier post, there is increased air pressure around a paintballs that are shot by high psi guns. More pressure increases air density, which increases air friction on the paintball. Do I even have to go into volume versus psi? Come on! Its so obvious!
The explanation cannot get any simpler. If you don't get it by now, you'll never get it. You'll probably still go around believing that a an Angel has the same range as Shocker, although it does not.

[elTwitcho]

Look again at what I posted. The increased pressure in front of the ball, would be pushed out of the way and to the sides the very second a ball left the barrel. Thus, the ball would be traveling 300 feet per second, with the very same turbulence you would see using any other pressure

[davidb]

What pressure does the Angel run at? It might not be as high as the Shocker, I can't remember, but I know it's low. So, I say again, if a gun is running at an even lower pressure than the Shocker, like the Matrix, Nova, LP modded Intimidator, I think the Excalibur, etc... it will, by your reasoning, shoot even farther? ElTwitcho is right, after that first few inches, the ball is flying through the same air, at the same speed. The guy who owns a store I go to whenever I visit Washington had this really tricked Autococker with all kinds of extras on it, running at very low pressure, with a custom-made very high-flow delrin bolt designed to put backspin on the ball, among other things. He was telling me about the time that him and a buddy of his with a 'Mag (as you know, a 'Mag is one of those supposedly really short range guns, and run at high pressure) were testing to see if there was any range difference. He said there was about a five foot difference in favor of the Cocker. That small a difference could easily be explained by different paint weights, discrepancies in velocity, or any number of other things. I think the reason you use laymen's terms is because they are all you know, not because you think they are all we know. Here are some laymen's terms for you: You're wrong. Even if you weren't, which you are, the difference that that would make would be so miniscule that it would not make any useable increase in range at all.

[Watupi]

Velocity=range.

Its that simple, physics says so. Most of the people here seem to know that. You can agrue on these boards all you want to, but that doesnt change anything. I can go into the shop tomorrow afternoon and give proof that you have no idea what your talking about.

[Imus]

I'd have to go with Twitch on this. The paintball goes out of a mag the same speed as a shocker. Just cuz the shocker releases a longer stream of lower pressure air instead of a short burst of high pressure air to push it should make no difference. Once it is out of the barrel all the air that was in front of it is dispersed out the end of the barrel and into the surrounding space. A low pressure system will push the ball softer, reducing ball breaks, but that's abou it.

[ry_goody]

If a paintball leaves the guns barrel at EXACTLY 285 fps from a shocker and the EXACT same paintball leaves the barrel of a stingray at EXACTLY 285 fps they will go the same distance. Unless the paintball is spinning. Despite what some advertisements say or some ignorant person says, that is the truth, there is absolutely no way you can defy physics.

[davidb]

:D Unless Smart Parts put their esteemed Magic Box in there without telling us! :D

[C4pyro]

Well...if what all of you are saying is true...then why when the flatline came out were they comaparing its range to all the other guns out there. Tehy went to major tourney's and put it up against guns with "extreme range"...If what all you guys are saying is true...why would tippmann waste all their time putting the flatline up against a cocker, then a mag, then and angel and all the other types of guns that are kicken around. If what you guys are saying is true, they should have just picked the stingray out of the bin fired ten shots and then said hahahaha...our gun shoots farther then everyone elses. But no, they decided to test it against an assortment of guns why, because different systems have different efects on range. Yes once the paintball hits the air it would have equal air resistance and all that jaz. but it is what happens to the ball in the gun and barrel that causes the effect. To test your theory, lets look at something with real velocity. You take a .308 round from a real gun and place it in a number of different guns, you get not ony differences if accuracy, but in distance as well. it all has to do with internals.

[elTwitcho]

Nice try, but this isnt real guns. You know why they put em against different guns? Because people are stupid, and if people believe that an angel can shoot further than a stingray, than the flatline will ahve to shoot further than an angel to impress people. Becuase if it were the stingray, you'd be saying "Oh well yeah a stingray, but is it gonna go farther than an angel?". People are idiots, and to sell a product, you have to cater to that.

[davidb]

Well, that would be because if they had just compared it to like a Stingray or Spyder or something, certain numbskulls would have gone on saying "Oh yeah well it still can't shoot farther than a Shocker!" And then Tippmann would have had to do tests to prove the numbskulls wrong. So they were actually saving themselves time. As for your analogy, a paintball marker bears precious little resemblence to a firearm. Besides, if you put those same .308 rounds into two different guns that had the same barrel, the difference in range would close up quickly. The reason that different barrels will change your range in guns and not paintball markers is that while a bullet will benefit from having a spin put on it, or having a longer barrel, a paintball will not, with the exception of backspin. Oh, and you claim 20 to 25 yards extra?! That's just rediculous. Even a Flatline will only get about that much extra distance. If there was going to be a difference, it would be better measured in inches or POSSIBLY feet. I would imagine that if something like that was actually going on, the difference would be about 5 feet at most. "it is what happens to the ball in the gun and barrel that causes the effect. " That might be so, but guess what, the ball only travels about a foot inside the barrel, and besides, you measure your velocity by putting the gun BEHIND the chrony (with a few exceptions I guess, those little handheld ones for example, but at the chrony station it's usually this way) and then shoot the ball over, where it measures its velocity as it travels through the AIR, not the barrel.
If there is a difference, it is due to clandestine Magic-Boxification and nothing else. :D

[elTwitcho]

Quiet you jerks. If smart parts says the magic box will add range to my automag, then by god it will!

[elTwitcho]

Leave it to Tom Kaye to do all sorts of crazy crap to prove common myths wrong.

http://www.dancris.com/~six/pcri.htm

Interesting stuff about spin/range in there, take a look

[davidb]

I'm curious Twitcho... What exactly was the Magic Box? I mean, I know what it was supposed to do, and I know that it didn't do it, but I have no clue on anything like where it would go on the gun or what exactly it supposedly did to increase the range. All I know is that it is made by SP, claims to increase your range and doesn't, and was the biggest gimmick in paintball history. Didn't they cost like $200 or something?